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On September 30 2010 19:30 Shizuru~ wrote:I lol'ed when i read their assessment: + Show Spoiler +9:05 AM UK Time: We're aware of the problems players are having logging into PVP.net and forums at the moment. We're investigating the issue now and we'll update again in 15 minutes or as soon as we have more information.
9:20 AM UK Time: We're still looking into the root cause of the problem. We'll update again as soon as possible.
9:35 AM UK Time: We've determined that the problem is a networking issue with our servers. We're still deciding on the course of action that will put the servers in a playable state again as quickly as possible. We'll let you know as soon as we have that information.
10:05 AM UK Time: It's been determined that recent network configuration changes are likely causing problems with our internet service provider. We are going to need to restart the servers to recover. The downtime will be a minimum of 2 hours (potentially longer). We'll update again when we have a better understanding of the time required for the restart. Sorry for the inconvenience guys. We'll have it up and running as soon as we can.
10:45 AM UK Time: We're going to need to revert recent hardware changes in order to successfully restart the system. This will require extra time for the restart. The downtime will last until 5 PM UK Time. so basically, the maintenance they did makes things worst? awesome tech team they have there yes?
It looks like they tried to upgrade something but their ISP is shitty. I'm not sure that's entirely their fault.
The US servers had some isp issues recently too. GAME IS TOO POPULAR APPARENTLY
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Dorans Blade > Shield for Twitch, not just preference. Your following items can be preference, I usually decide depending on how much gold I have after I go back. If they have champions that can easily shit on you or you're behind, getting 2-3 Blades usually can't hurt.
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when is stacking dorans items considered a good idea? just when youre behind?
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On September 30 2010 21:04 socal50 wrote:
when is stacking dorans items considered a good idea? just when youre behind?
i think its usually when youre yeah behind in a lane pretty bad youve had to b or something, and im not 100% sure but i think they give you more staying power so you can hopefully catch up
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On September 30 2010 21:04 socal50 wrote:
when is stacking dorans items considered a good idea? just when youre behind?
I like getting a few DBlades as Ashe if I have to deal with stuff like Shaco ganks and a mid that can burst decently. Rather spend some money on that than die.
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On September 30 2010 20:47 Yiruru wrote:
Dorans Blade > Shield for Twitch, not just preference. Your following items can be preference, I usually decide depending on how much gold I have after I go back. If they have champions that can easily shit on you or you're behind, getting 2-3 Blades usually can't hurt.
I usually open shield if say no one wants mid and youre laning against something gay like kogmaw, who you cant harass cause he'll fuck your shit in with his over 9000 range
is blade really that much better though?
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On September 30 2010 21:17 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 20:47 Yiruru wrote:
Dorans Blade > Shield for Twitch, not just preference. Your following items can be preference, I usually decide depending on how much gold I have after I go back. If they have champions that can easily shit on you or you're behind, getting 2-3 Blades usually can't hurt. I usually open shield if say no one wants mid and youre laning against something gay like kogmaw, who you cant harass cause he'll fuck your shit in with his over 9000 range is blade really that much better though?
Yes, doran's blade stats are useful for all the game (until you have to replace them), because all it's stats are good. HP/5 is only good for the lanning phase.
BTW, reposting (I hope this got posted already in the thread) this awesome file:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuKdwH1ku9sBdFJzcElFRWVLSVIyWi12a3RrUGhRSlE&hl=en#gid=0
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4% lifesteal is useless pretty much all game, 6 ad is debatable, but largely useless esp the longer time goes on
also, a different efficiency chart was posted, but this one looks much more organized, might be worth updating it
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The problem with DBlade is that lifesteal is extremely weak early game. To get decent regen with it you have to push the lane. Lifesteal becomes stronger as the game progresses, while HP5 becomes weaker.
Not considering specific champs, I suggest DBlade if you know you can dominate your lane, or get healing from other sources, or if your opponent is going to push the lane, or if you want to push the lane.
DShield in all other cases.
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On September 30 2010 21:38 shalafi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 21:17 arb wrote:On September 30 2010 20:47 Yiruru wrote:
Dorans Blade > Shield for Twitch, not just preference. Your following items can be preference, I usually decide depending on how much gold I have after I go back. If they have champions that can easily shit on you or you're behind, getting 2-3 Blades usually can't hurt. I usually open shield if say no one wants mid and youre laning against something gay like kogmaw, who you cant harass cause he'll fuck your shit in with his over 9000 range is blade really that much better though? Yes, doran's blade stats are useful for all the game (until you have to replace them), because all it's stats are good. HP/5 is only good for the lanning phase. BTW, reposting (I hope this got posted already in the thread) this awesome file: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuKdwH1ku9sBdFJzcElFRWVLSVIyWi12a3RrUGhRSlE&hl=en#gid=0
Yay, more comprehensive than the other item efficiency spreadsheet. Thanks. Now I know that tiamat is -500 efficiency  and DFG is -1400 wowee
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dfg being -1400 is a little misleading since its active can be pretty damn powerful and iirc scales with ap
edit: oh word, im a hydralisk now, is it sad that most of my posts are in this thread XD
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On September 30 2010 22:27 barbsq wrote:
dfg being -1400 is a little misleading since its active can be pretty damn powerful and iirc scales with ap
edit: oh word, im a hydralisk now, is it sad that most of my posts are in this thread XD
It does, I believe it is 3.5% per 100 AP and the spell is effected by your spell pen IIRC. despite the fact that the stats you pay for may be inefficient it is worth noting that if you buy DFG you need to get appx. 5 kills with it (that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise) in order to justify the cost.
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On September 30 2010 15:52 Mogwai wrote:
yo, so I brought up fed void as an example of a retarded carry in dota that just can't happen in LoL in a conversation with someone and they jumped on me about how Void isn't a good hero or something and I just sorta backed off because I don't know DotA too well. Was I crazy in thinking that he basically could permastun everyone who was relevant, kill them, and then clean up the scraps via permastun and blinking around? I thought he was one of the examples of a retarded carry, but I don't really have the experience to talk about it in real DotA play so I'm looking for some feedback on that.
Void is a generally terrible champion. He's got bad stats, bad stat growth, bad attack animation, decent base damage, a really really really really shitty delayed blink, and farms incredibly poorly. The funny thing is when I played, IceFrog kept nerfing Void to hell because he's such a pub stomper. You have never and will never see Void in a "pro" game. Pubs just have no way to stop anyone from farming up amazing items in 30 minutes, so a Void player just has to play careful for the first few levels where he's most vulnerable and then go to open lanes to farm.
And the time he takes to kick in is sooooo long. He needs to be at least level ~20 to get some of his stat bonuses, and needs BARE MINIMUM a mask of madness, butterfly, and assault curiass, which are all decently hefty items. Until he's got all of those items he's weak, slow, his blink like i said is awful to use as an escape mechanism (it's more of an initiation), so he's a very easy gank target.
His passives are really only imba in conjunction with items. He's got low AS so his bash doesn't proc that often (fix: get a mask of madness for double attack speed) and his dodge is GOOD but not GREAT until you look at its mechanics, it's not technically a dodge, it's an insta-heal that heals back exactly the amount of damage you took from the last hit. So he can heal a 500 damage nuke, a 1200 damage crit, anything instantly. On top of that you throw in the butterfly which gives like 30% dodge and now he's not taking damage from 55% of physical attacks and 25% of ALL damage-inducing actions.
The same is true of Phantom assassin though to a lesser extent. She's not QUITE as terrible early but her measly 0.015 starting HP gets her zoned like no other. Troll is zzzzzz honestly one of the worst champs in the game, even late-game he needs like 5 attacks before he's finally got the momentum to lock someone down. Any stun > Troll.
In fact the only HARD carries that I ever see in pro games (note: this was like 6-8 months ago) were sniper (imba range, still not that great), Spectre (definitely a top ban/pick, until he got nerfed), and Broodmother (top carry, top pusher, is banned nearly every game). Most teams opt for support champs and gankers and one semi-carry (sven is a good example of a ganker that transitions into a carry lategame).
What I'm saying is just in the way that I can go to an 800 elo game and carry with triforce+BR's annie, anyone can carry with a good pubstomper in a pub dota game. On the upper levels, however, that's not how the game is played.
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one thing i kinda miss from dota that doesnt really exist in lol (since laning phase ends too quickly i think) are straight up roamers, ppl who wander the map from lvl 1 with the exclusive task of beating the shit out of the carries. I always found it fun to play es and roam the map all game
edit: actually, having ppl not lose gold from dying is probably a bigger reason than shorter laning phase
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i think the problem with roaming is that you need to get kills or you fall behind in experience pretty fast.
Edit: in LoL that is
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My eyes hurt reading PA > Void Early, and Troll is useless =<
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I thought this thread was about LoL.
And how is Shaco not running around with the sole purpose of ganking?
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On September 30 2010 23:08 spinesheath wrote:
I thought this thread was about LoL.
And how is Shaco not running around with the sole purpose of ganking?
He's gotta do dragon too dude
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On September 30 2010 23:12 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 23:08 spinesheath wrote:
I thought this thread was about LoL.
And how is Shaco not running around with the sole purpose of ganking? He's gotta do dragon too dude
He's gotta steal it from the enemy jungler.
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On September 30 2010 23:14 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 23:12 STS17 wrote:On September 30 2010 23:08 spinesheath wrote:
I thought this thread was about LoL.
And how is Shaco not running around with the sole purpose of ganking? He's gotta do dragon too dude He's gotta steal it from the enemy jungler.
not in solo queue ^^
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