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ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
February 16 2012 21:31 GMT
#721
I hope they'll add a PBEM mode and make simultaneous turns optional. I'd really like to play this against friends, but as it is that's nearly impossible.
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
February 16 2012 21:49 GMT
#722
I probably would be pumped about this, but after hearing the rumours of the add-on being an Alpha Centauri remake this is a bit of a letdown for me, because in my opinion AC was one of the best things that ever came from the gaming industry. Might still get it depending on how good it turns out, i.e. the AI changes are actually noticeable.

Poll: Will you buy Gods&Kings?

Absolutely! (18)
 
45%

No, I'm too disappointed by vanilla Civ5. (11)
 
28%

I might, but only for 10-15$/when it's on sale. (8)
 
20%

Probably. (3)
 
8%

40 total votes

Your vote: Will you buy Gods&Kings?

(Vote): Absolutely!
(Vote): Probably.
(Vote): I might, but only for 10-15$/when it's on sale.
(Vote): No, I'm too disappointed by vanilla Civ5.

http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
Glaceau
Profile Joined February 2012
Wales333 Posts
February 16 2012 21:53 GMT
#723
looks sweet, will give me a reason to dust this game off a bit.
Cmon, swing it
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 23:32:51
February 16 2012 23:28 GMT
#724
So Maya, Dutch, Celts, Carthage, Byzantium.... That's five... Other four?

Austria, Brazil, Ethiopia, Portugal perhaps? Those are all "major" Empires/Civs that are still missing or could be considered. That I can think of.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 16 2012 23:51 GMT
#725
Fuck yes!

My friends were telling me how Civ IV had this and Civ V was too boring and nothing to do.,
Fuclk yeah
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 17 2012 02:27 GMT
#726
Further reading... Purchasing Religion?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 17 2012 19:34 GMT
#727
So it looks like Colossus will now be unlocked and can only be built after discovering Iron Working.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
February 17 2012 21:06 GMT
#728
Noooooo!!! No religion PLEASE! *sob* whhhyyyy *sob*

That was the single feature I couldn't stand about Civ IV. I love Civ V because it cut out all the tiny micro-management crap like religion. I AM loving the idea that there will be a revamped Combat system. New diplomacy options sound good, but they need to be backed up with greatly improved diplomatic AI.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Glaceau
Profile Joined February 2012
Wales333 Posts
February 20 2012 15:39 GMT
#729
so right as I read about this my Civ 5 decides to break., everytime i load the game up it says "textloadingerror" or something like that and refuses to open.
Cmon, swing it
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
February 20 2012 15:51 GMT
#730
Nice! Now bring back espionage and corporations and I'll be thrilled!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17838 Posts
February 20 2012 16:01 GMT
#731
Espionage was my least favorite part of Civ IV. I usually just turned it off for my games.

I guess I'll just wait for SMAC II
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3720 Posts
February 20 2012 16:06 GMT
#732
Im thinking about buying this. But several people mentioned Civ V not as good as Civ IV and is dumbed down. I play the Total War series, is this game similar to that?
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
February 20 2012 16:34 GMT
#733
Funny that this thread got bumped, I've been playing the shit out of this game. Compared to Civ IV, I don't think dumbed down is the right way to put it. The game itself isn't any simpler, but tech trees do feel a little more static and the AI is very, very stupid. AI was pretty bad in Civ IV too though, I feel like a good AI would make Civ the perfect game.

The expansion looks great. I have most of the other DLC, and I recommend them. This will finally give us something to do with our pools of gold besides rush buy stuff for no reason.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
February 20 2012 16:47 GMT
#734
On February 21 2012 01:34 Cel.erity wrote:
Funny that this thread got bumped, I've been playing the shit out of this game. Compared to Civ IV, I don't think dumbed down is the right way to put it. The game itself isn't any simpler, but tech trees do feel a little more static and the AI is very, very stupid. AI was pretty bad in Civ IV too though, I feel like a good AI would make Civ the perfect game.

The expansion looks great. I have most of the other DLC, and I recommend them. This will finally give us something to do with our pools of gold besides rush buy stuff for no reason.


Yeah, the AI is pretty terrible. I usually play on Prince which I believe is the highest difficulty before the AI starts "cheating" and I don't think I've ever lost a game. The diplomacy systems badly need revamping, the AI loves to get a grudge against you and never let it go. My favorite is when they will start "hating" you for conquering a City State, despite the fact that they just conquered like 3 other civs.

Civ bonuses still need some major balancing too. Rarely do you ever see the Songhi or Japanese doing well. Probably because their civ bonuses suck, Songhi's is basically a combat bonus to embarked units. Meanwhile Rome gets a +25% construction bonus for any city that is building any building that was already built in the capitol. In a 1v1 situation, unless Songhi kills Rome early, they pretty much have no chance of winning, everything else being equal.

Still though, the game is really fun. Could it use a bit more depth? Yeah I think it could. But it's still pretty fun as it is. I tried Civ IV and really disliked it, all the micromanaging and random crap you had to deal with, and then your enemy could just stack like 80 guys on a single square and go kill you. There was no strategy, no strategic positioning, just micromanaging: a contest to see who could micromanage the best and stack the most units. Sorry, that's not my idea of fun.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 16:50:02
February 20 2012 16:49 GMT
#735
On February 21 2012 01:06 DyEnasTy wrote:
Im thinking about buying this. But several people mentioned Civ V not as good as Civ IV and is dumbed down. I play the Total War series, is this game similar to that?

Except for both being turn based, I wouldn't say the Civ series and TW series have much in common. Cities can only build one improvement or unit at a time. Single units are fought against other single units. Technology and diplomacy are handled in a different matter. They're pretty much completely different beasts.

As far as Civ 4 compared to Civ 5 - I feel like Civ 5's mechanics are superior with actual army tactics rather then stacks of doom, but Civ 4 has/had a lot more polish and seemed more complete. That's based on when Civ 5 was released though, not how it stands right now.
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Hizzay
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 17:29:21
February 20 2012 17:27 GMT
#736
Although there really isn't anything "new" in this expansion (just the usual "more stuff" and religion/espionage that was in the game before), I'm still probably going to buy it. Hopefully diplomacy gets better, but I don't think it's ever been great in any Civ game, especially in 4 when you weren't the same religion (hopefully this doesn't get repeated). Gonna make me stay up till 3am and have "just one more turn" most likely...
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
February 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#737
On February 21 2012 01:47 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 01:34 Cel.erity wrote:
Funny that this thread got bumped, I've been playing the shit out of this game. Compared to Civ IV, I don't think dumbed down is the right way to put it. The game itself isn't any simpler, but tech trees do feel a little more static and the AI is very, very stupid. AI was pretty bad in Civ IV too though, I feel like a good AI would make Civ the perfect game.

The expansion looks great. I have most of the other DLC, and I recommend them. This will finally give us something to do with our pools of gold besides rush buy stuff for no reason.

Civ bonuses still need some major balancing too. Rarely do you ever see the Songhi or Japanese doing well. Probably because their civ bonuses suck, Songhi's is basically a combat bonus to embarked units. Meanwhile Rome gets a +25% construction bonus for any city that is building any building that was already built in the capitol. In a 1v1 situation, unless Songhi kills Rome early, they pretty much have no chance of winning, everything else being equal.


Songhai is arguably the best civ in the game, but the AI can't really utilize any bonuses that relate to war, since they're so bad at commanding their units. The gold bonus Songhai gets is actually HUGE, giving you a nice 200-300 gold early game when you need it, and up to 2k bonus gold during wartime. If you take out one civ as Songhai, you don't have any downtime so you can easily snowball it to an early domination, whereas most civs need to stop and potentially disband units due to maintenance costs.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 18:28:31
February 20 2012 18:28 GMT
#738
On February 21 2012 01:01 Manit0u wrote:
I guess I'll just wait for SMAC II


Are there any noteworthy rumours that it is coming?
http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
KaiserReinhard
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States554 Posts
February 20 2012 18:45 GMT
#739
On February 21 2012 03:28 chocopaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 01:01 Manit0u wrote:
I guess I'll just wait for SMAC II


Are there any noteworthy rumours that it is coming?


If such a game is ever made it'll probably be much more streamlined/less complex than the first one, and thus not as good.
twitch.tv/imkirok
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 20 2012 18:54 GMT
#740
On February 18 2012 04:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So it looks like Colossus will now be unlocked and can only be built after discovering Iron Working.


Is the colossus really that strong?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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