Hey, bumping this, but I need help. I can't beat this friend of our's at all. At around the cannons stage he somehow always gets it before us just pulls way ahead scientifically.

It's not like he's making huge sacrifices to get this scientific lead, he just gradually pulls ahead until it becomes an actual different tier of strength (I'll have riflemen, he'll have infantry).

I know this seems ambiguous, but any thoughts to this?

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

January 04 2012 07:30 GMT

#704

On January 04 2012 16:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hey, bumping this, but I need help. I can't beat this friend of our's at all. At around the cannons stage he somehow always gets it before us just pulls way ahead scientifically.

It's not like he's making huge sacrifices to get this scientific lead, he just gradually pulls ahead until it becomes an actual different tier of strength (I'll have riflemen, he'll have infantry).

I know this seems ambiguous, but any thoughts to this?

Honestly you don't give us much to go on... i haven't played civ5 multiplayer but is he getting some scientist great persons out that gives him the techs?

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 04 2012 07:37 GMT

#705

I can give you whatever details needed.
He doesn't get any actual wonders besides the Hangria Sophia I think, so that could be it really. But he'll be at war with someone for a good portion of the game and still manage to stay ranked top in points while also managing properly his entire city. We're still noobs and so we're all playing pretty poorly, but I didn't think he'd be so far ahead so quickly either.

No idea about the Great Persons, he did get the full liberty tree up so that's a huge tell perhaps.

No great library, no oracle, etc. I think he just manages his cities really well and I can't quite figure out everything. Maybe that's just the basic gist of it. I thing I see a lot is everyone is able to produce their first wonders much faster than me (Pyramids, Oracle, G. Library) and from there I usually start trailing hard as well.

We play very passively, meaning we don't usually develop a large army until much later in the game (trebuchets at least), so I feel like I should be taking advantage of this, but I have no idea how. The beginning stages are the hardest for me.

Hizzay

Canada31 Posts

January 05 2012 08:43 GMT

#706

He could be saving his Great Scientists until he's close enough to get Cannons/Infantry. Is he allied with a lot of City States?What Civ does he play?

BTW I suck at this game too

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

January 05 2012 22:40 GMT

#707

Looks like Firaxis is working on a console of XCOM... rather than an xpac...

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 05 2012 22:55 GMT

#708

Hizzay: he plays Russia usually. Today he beat me culturally on one city (eventually took another during the industrial era, but he made it only a puppet). He was equal with me on tech, but was about to win culturally and had enough defense (Great Wall + a ton of fortresses made by great generals) and cannons.

It makes no sense, the only thing I can think of is that he rushes library and then gets the Hanging Gardens as soon as possible. From there, he was ahead of me in science until I got my third city and was pretty even with him on science (our city populations were about even -- 22-23).

Still beats me incredibly. I'm starting to think The Hanging Gardens are super powerful. He played Egypt this time too, so that helps. I just don't know how to get the monuments before him. He gets them first every single time while it takes me 20-22 turns during the beginning stages of the game to get them ._.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 05 2012 22:56 GMT

#709

P.S: I'd be very happy to record the whole game to show you what happens, but they're extensively long.

WaSa

Sweden749 Posts

January 05 2012 23:11 GMT

#710

On January 06 2012 07:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Looks like Firaxis is working on a console of XCOM... rather than an xpac...

LOL
I knew they ditched the series with their rants that TBS are not contemporary etc and with the epic fail that is Civ V I'm NOT surprised at all with this move.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 05 2012 23:38 GMT

#711

They can't have multiple teams working on different things?

Hizzay

Canada31 Posts

January 06 2012 00:48 GMT

#712

If he's going OCC-style, then he's probably banking up lots of happiness, and converting the excess to culture with the 'Mandate of Heaven' social policy. His costs for social policies will also be a lot lower since he only has the one city. I'm thinking he's also getting a lot of Great People and just using them for mostly for Golden Ages, rushing wonders (engineers) and getting tech. Also at the beginning of the game, he could be chop rushing to get a bit of a lead. Does he get a lot of wonders?

Hopes this helps a bit

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

January 06 2012 01:17 GMT

#713

On January 06 2012 08:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
They can't have multiple teams working on different things?

I'm sure they have. But when it takes around 3 months to release a patch with only 5-6 fixes and it's well over a year and no expansion or generally any much needed improvements to it's core game. I think it is settled that Firaxis is focused on another project rather than it's record selling series.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 06 2012 01:38 GMT

#714

On January 06 2012 09:48 Hizzay wrote:
If he's going OCC-style, then he's probably banking up lots of happiness, and converting the excess to culture with the 'Mandate of Heaven' social policy. His costs for social policies will also be a lot lower since he only has the one city. I'm thinking he's also getting a lot of Great People and just using them for mostly for Golden Ages, rushing wonders (engineers) and getting tech. Also at the beginning of the game, he could be chop rushing to get a bit of a lead. Does he get a lot of wonders?

Hopes this helps a bit

When it's just him and I, I get a ton of wonders.
when it's 4 of us, he practically gets them all right at the start. All the big ones too

Pillage

United States804 Posts

January 18 2012 05:01 GMT

#715

On January 06 2012 10:38 Torte de Lini wrote:

Show nested quote +

When it's just him and I, I get a ton of wonders.
when it's 4 of us, he practically gets them all right at the start. All the big ones too

I've tried this strategy recently. Today I rushed library --> Hanging Gardens and managed to stay even in technology and wonders until the Industrial age ON ONLY ONE CITY (Level 5 difficulty). The Hanging Gardens are ridiculous, they give you +10 food for free, and you can focus your city on pumping out improvements or troops. The early library offsets your technological losses, and you can pretty much do whatever you want from there, depending on your civilization.

You just have so much growth from the extra food, and you can transition into hoarding great people / wonders or expand later and play a normal game.

3Form

United Kingdom389 Posts

January 18 2012 20:57 GMT

#716

Can you still chop to victory? Only played one game of Civ 5 here!

duckii

Germany1017 Posts

February 16 2012 16:11 GMT

#717

2kgames announced an expansion pack which will add religion and espionage.
http://www.2kgames.com/blog/civilization-v-expansion-pack-announced

Mavkar

Germany592 Posts

February 16 2012 16:32 GMT

#718

Wow, this expansion looks really promising. I'm just a very casual Civ-Player. So after playing once or twice with every faction I like this expansion will definitely respark the interest in the game for me. And 'Late Spring 2012' means maybe in May, so not far of at all.

HaXXspetten

Sweden15718 Posts

February 16 2012 16:39 GMT

#719

just me who found Civ IV >>> Civ V?

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

February 16 2012 20:35 GMT

#720

Holy **** yes!

Enhanced Diplomacy, with Espionage. In addition to being able to establish embassies with your rival civilizations, spies will now be an important part of how you conduct your foreign affairs. Surveilling foreign cities, stealing advanced techs, and garnering influence with city-states are some of the things you'll be able to do with this new powerful mechanic.

Religion: