Civilization V + DLC's, G&K, BNW - Page 187

On March 04 2014 16:43 rezoacken wrote:
Meh, the only thing I'd be interested in is in a balance mod. Change nothing of the core game but rebalances some policies and give something to some terrible civs. And a better AI mod I guess.

Especially since this game probably won't get more balance patch.

On March 07 2014 16:46 Complete wrote:
~140 turns in to my new game! Only just got people to start making friendship agreements with me... (I wonder if I'm doing something wrong?)

So, new question. Does anybody know how Research Agreements work?

I've found a place that says it gives the amount you've researched in the last 8 turns (at the end of the RA) and I've found a place that says it's the median of all the techs available at the end of the agreement. Which one is correct, if either?

Also according to this:

http://forums.2k.com/showthread.php?272071-Civilization-V-Brave-New-World-Fall-Patch-Released!

Does that imply that we'll both get the same out of the RA and it'll be whichever is the smaller amount of the 2?

On March 07 2014 17:43 Wala.Revolution wrote:


iirc it's the average of all techs you and your partner researched + modidiers.

Let me use some more realistic numbers. Let's say Civ A produces 3,000 beakers over the 30 turns (average is 100 bpt -- maybe their beaker count rose from 75 bpt to 125 bpt over the 30 turns). Civ B is far more advanced, generating 9,000 beakers over the 30 turns, or an average of 300 bpt.

In G&K, and in BNW until the Fall Patch, the formula for base yield of an RA (before taking account of PT or Scientific Revolution bonuses) was
50% * (your beaker count + min(your beaker count, RA partner beaker count))/6
So, for Civ A, that would be 50% * (3000 + 3000)/6, or 500 beakers, while for Civ B, that would be 50% * (9000 + 3000)/6, or 1,000 beakers.

In current BNW, the RA yield is tied to the beaker generation of the "lesser" RA partner. Since there is no more averaging, the RA divisor is now 3, rather than 6, and the formula for both RA partners is
50% * min(Civ A beakers, Civ B beakers)/3
In this example, both parties get base RA yield of 500 beakers (50% * min(3000, 9000)/3). If CivB has PT, then his yield is 750 beakers (another +25%). Adding Scientific Revolution would then yield him the 1000 beakers he would have gotten under the old formula BEFORE accounting for PT and Scientific Revolution bonuses.

On March 05 2014 13:32 Complete wrote:
so I won my first civ V game today..turn 309 science victory on Emperor level! :D

I'm guessing the best players can win 100+ turns earlier with science...and on a harder difficulty.... I just don't see how, those later techs are SO DAMN EXPENSIVE! and 1500 hammers for SS parts aint no joke. I guess it probably didn't help that I only managed to grab 3 cities and didn't manage to get any RA's because everybody hated me apparently....

On March 08 2014 17:44 Complete wrote:
A few questions in the context of trying to get the quickest science win possible (or at least discussion points):

Do you generally want to send your caravans TO the capital which has the NC/highest multiplier etc. or TO your other cities which will grow more rapidly with the extra food? (lower population will get more out of +4 food than higher). I had a pretty huge capital (purposely) but my other 3 cities really lagged behind in population. Like I think my capital was ~45 at the end of the game and my other 3 were at ~24-27. I'm sort of thinking in this game I made a mistake by not sending caravans to my 2nd/3rd/4th cities until I got my 4th/5th/6th caravans (which was very late) because my non-capital cities had observatories in them and my capital didn't. Not sure though.

Should you concentrate on maritime CS's? I feel one thing I definitely did poorly was managing CS's. I didn't get any ruin archers so I popped very few barb camp CS quests, and I didn't get any maritime allies for a long long time. I also wasted a lot of gold trying to keep some culture CS's which in retrospect probably aren't needed.

When allying a 2nd mercantile CS I kept getting (+0 happiness) in the popup. I guess all mercantile have the same "unique" luxuries (jewelry? and something else) so you only get extra happiness if they have different luxuries within their borders that you don't already own? In summary I'm guessing getting a 2nd mercantile ally is almost always stupid?

For king days sometimes you only have the ability to get a specific resource by paying the AI ridiculous amounts of gold if they only have a single source of it. I paid 28 gold/turn for some crabs because 3 of my 4 cities wanted it for kings day (literally nobody had the luxury for a really long time so they stacked up). 28 gold/turn is a lot though so I'm not really sure it was worth it...

I feel like I could have managed my gold better and done a lot more with it, but I'm not exactly sure what to do with a lot of gold (in the context of getting the quickest science win). I mean I guess I could buy research labs and maybe even public schools instantly in all cities...but they'd be producting them in like ~10 turns anyways so that doesn't seem like it would quicken the pace all that much (although it may squeeze out an extra GS by the end I guess?).

Also, derp. I just realized I forgot to put in the final point in tradition at the end of my game for an extra GS. Whooooooops.