• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:30
CET 15:30
KST 23:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon!13$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship4[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win9
StarCraft 2
General
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1732 users

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Expansion Discussion - Page 6

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 20 Next All
Pr0xxis
Profile Joined July 2010
United States60 Posts
October 18 2010 04:47 GMT
#101
Seems like a failed attempt at getting more money from the WoW populace. Once you hit 80 and realize from there its another endless grind, just for gear instead of xp, it just gets boring. PuGing is annoying. Rolling tanks that can't do there job and dps who is incompetent and arrogant. Not to mention the elitists.

On a positive note I do like the new races an that alone might make me play again. If I can spare the time from SCII anywho.
Hizzo
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 07:00:58
October 18 2010 06:58 GMT
#102
On October 18 2010 13:44 RiB wrote:
So glad I quit WoW as well, but I do miss it sometimes it was pretty fun.


Sometimes I feel this way. But after raiding in a top 10 US guild for 2 years it got stale for me but I look back on it fondly. Not like I had anything better to do at the time.

The expansion looks exciting but I do not feel it appeals to me (raid content gets pretty stale and predictable after awhile), although it looks like they are making numerous PvE improvements to appeal to their 99%. Being the 1% is great but so bad at the same time.
HuK HuK HuK HuK HuK HuK HuK HuK HuK
dthree
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia150 Posts
October 18 2010 07:16 GMT
#103
Anybody know how much 'less painful' it is to level up to 80 now? iirc it was extremely painful when i did it
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
October 18 2010 07:34 GMT
#104
I think I'm gonna go with Guild Wars 2 rather than Cataclysm personally.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
October 18 2010 07:37 GMT
#105
On October 18 2010 16:16 dthree wrote:
Anybody know how much 'less painful' it is to level up to 80 now? iirc it was extremely painful when i did it


Really, I never found it painful to hit 80 at all. Let me preface the next bit by saying that I had no life when I played WoW.

1-60 was tough before BC hit, then it was much easier, but still fairly dull. RAF made the process an absolute joke, especially with granting levels... that was fun.

60-70 was a bit of a grind, but never reached anywhere near the level of the vanilla 1-60

70-80 was a joke in comparison.

I started a RAF toon with a friend about a week before WotLK hit. Hit 70 with three days to spare, and then went into WotLK with greens, since I was too lazy to get welfare epics. I hit it in 2-3 days, managing to sleep 8 hours each night and not fall behind on showering and the like.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
October 18 2010 07:54 GMT
#106
On October 18 2010 16:16 dthree wrote:
Anybody know how much 'less painful' it is to level up to 80 now? iirc it was extremely painful when i did it


I'm currently in the middle of leveling a new Huntard for Cataclysm, I've been playing for about 2 days maybe 4-5 hours a day at various intervals, he'll be level 20 by tonight.

With the new BG experience and low level dungeon finder, leveling is a breeze
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 08:33:05
October 18 2010 08:29 GMT
#107
WoW interest is at an all time low for me at the moment with the new patch breaking everything (feels more like a live beta than a real patch). Being restricted to 1 ICC instance per character, figuring out new talent specs that aren't all that fun to play. I realize that the game may be too easy but forcing extra buttons for the sake of it ain't all that great. Sound's bugged as well. The *shinier* graphics look a little off and less pleasing to the eye as before.

As a long time hardcore fan of WoW, I find it really sad that in Cataclysm they are revamping all the zones, the very same zones where most of us who enjoyed classic WoW were immersed deeply into and had fond memories of. I LOVE the Warcraft Universe, I've memorized most parts of the current world and feel like I've accomplished being a true Loremaster in every sense of the word.

WoW seems to come up with more and more gimmicks ever since ActiBlizz stepped in, I mean Gnome Priests and Tauren Paladins are a joke, and heroic classic instances being recycled is a huge disappointment in terms of new content.

Seems like WoW is all about getting from Point A to Point B in the quickest/easiest way possible now: Dungeon queue, RAF, BG leveling etc. Though flying mounts were a cool addition in Outland, where it was fun to explore all the broken up land masses/TK, flying mounts in Azeroth are just going to make the experience forgettable. Wrath content did not connect with me as much as I, the player, felt way bigger than the world, as you pretty much fly over everything and don't care much for it. (I can pretty much run through most of Classic/TBC in my mind, that's how nerdy I am about the game :X)

In short, 9 80s, leveled by hand (outside of BGs), hardcore WoW player running out of things to do. Don't get me wrong, I think WoLTK was *OK*, I just feel Cataclysm coming and trying to change everything at once is going to turn out bad.

Hopefully I'm wrong about Cataclysm, but it's going to take a lot of exciting new content to justify killing the old Azeroth to me. But with the main staple of 85 being Heroic recycled instances, badge farming (valor points in this case), and Molten Core/BWL v2.0, I certainly don't expect that to happen.

Till then, more playing SC2 + watching PL, hooray
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
October 18 2010 08:32 GMT
#108
On October 18 2010 16:16 dthree wrote:
Anybody know how much 'less painful' it is to level up to 80 now? iirc it was extremely painful when i did it

Recruit a friend. 400% xp. People would level to 80 in a week.
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
October 18 2010 08:42 GMT
#109
On October 18 2010 17:29 IntoTheEmo wrote:
WoW interest is at an all time low for me at the moment with the new patch breaking everything (feels more like a live beta than a real patch). Being restricted to 1 ICC instance per character, figuring out new talent specs that aren't all that fun to play. I realize that the game may be too easy but forcing extra buttons for the sake of it ain't all that great. Sound's bugged as well. The *shinier* graphics look a little off and less pleasing to the eye as before.

As a long time hardcore fan of WoW, I find it really sad that in Cataclysm they are revamping all the zones, the very same zones where most of us who enjoyed classic WoW were immersed deeply into and had fond memories of. I LOVE the Warcraft Universe, I've memorized most parts of the current world and feel like I've accomplished being a true Loremaster in every sense of the word.

WoW seems to come up with more and more gimmicks ever since ActiBlizz stepped in, I mean Gnome Priests and Tauren Paladins are a joke, and heroic classic instances being recycled is a huge disappointment in terms of new content.

Seems like WoW is all about getting from Point A to Point B in the quickest/easiest way possible now: Dungeon queue, RAF, BG leveling etc. Though flying mounts were a cool addition in Outland, where it was fun to explore all the broken up land masses/TK, flying mounts in Azeroth are just going to make the experience forgettable. Wrath content did not connect with me as much as I, the player, felt way bigger than the world, as you pretty much fly over everything and don't care much for it. (I can pretty much run through most of Classic/TBC in my mind, that's how nerdy I am about the game :X)

In short, 9 80s, leveled by hand (outside of BGs), hardcore WoW player running out of things to do.

Hopefully I'm wrong about Cataclysm, but it's going to take a lot of exciting new content to justify killing the old Azeroth to me. But with the main staple of 85 being Heroic recycled instances, badge farming (valor points in this case), and Molten Core/BWL v2.0, I certainly don't expect that to happen.

Till then, more playing SC2 + watching PL, hooray






I'll definitely never go back to WoW, no matter how good it becomes (mostly so I don't get addicted again.) But I agree with you on a lot of points.

The changing of the environment is a really cool idea, but at the same time, the thought that the areas I came to know and love (with the exception of Silithus) will forever be changed would be heartbreaking if I were still playing the game. Personally, the most fun I ever had in the game was in vanilla, before server transfers. I played on an oceanic server that was a recommended server before the oceanic tab was created, and as such, there was a fairly large American population mixed in with the Aussies. There was a great sense of community, but also quite a few rivalries going down; when server transfers opened up, the Americans started to die out. I know at one point, the server was an absolute shell of its' former self, and I'm not sure if it has ever recovered.

That and old school AV, wall jumping, previous alchemy costs (I was of a strange breed that actually enjoyed resource farming), and unforgiving raids have made me miss the game since early BC. I still think there was a lot of improvement in BC/WotLK, but overall, I enjoyed my vanilla years more.

Interestingly enough, with Cataclysm, there would be no greater time for Blizzard to introduce a vanilla server; either straight vanilla, or up through WotLK... and with Activision and their recent money grabbing changes, it wouldn't surprise me if they went back on their word saying they'd never have a non up to date server.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
BigBadSkathe
Profile Joined September 2009
United States234 Posts
October 18 2010 08:47 GMT
#110
I will undoubtedly get this expansion the day it comes out.


I fucking hate this game.
Hey.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 08:50:26
October 18 2010 08:49 GMT
#111
--- Nuked ---
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 08:54:35
October 18 2010 08:53 GMT
#112
On October 18 2010 17:42 So no fek wrote:

Interestingly enough, with Cataclysm, there would be no greater time for Blizzard to introduce a vanilla server; either straight vanilla, or up through WotLK... and with Activision and their recent money grabbing changes, it wouldn't surprise me if they went back on their word saying they'd never have a non up to date server.


I've done a couple of recustomizations and a name change in the past for trivial things like changing skin colour to be a little more tanned etc.

I don't believe in giving Blizz my money for stuff like the in-game pets and celestial steed, but I would be elated if they announce such a thing. I'd definitely let them grab my money in that case, even if I would have to pay $$ for every character that's made there (and I'm the sort of crazy guy that has 2 Paladins on the same server and whatnot.).
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
October 18 2010 09:52 GMT
#113
Been playing a few months back in early TBC and some after introduction of the Trial of the Crusader and stuff. Since I don't play it too actively, there's decent amount of stuff to discover and the best times were doing dungeons/raids and pvp with some friends.

Hopefully world PvP becomes much more interesting once Cata hits, I'll probably have good time exploring the revamped old world and the new areas.

Meanwhile, I guess I'll just play SC2 and some Civ V etc.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 18 2010 09:59 GMT
#114
Actually looking forward to Cata, I quit when we cleared Ulduar (before the next instance opened) and I'm gonna reroll to start an RMP team with 2 friends.
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
October 18 2010 10:00 GMT
#115
Blizz is going better and better every new patch / game, this looks really nice and sometimes im want to go back to WoW but arena will still sucks balls so one big NO ! : ) PvE and Lore are gonna be great there now
kasumimi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Greece460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 10:39:34
October 18 2010 10:37 GMT
#116
Stay away from WoW, it's bad for you.

My personal experience: I quit smoking (13 year smoker) the day I quit WoW 2 years ago and my life changed completely for the best.
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
October 18 2010 10:40 GMT
#117
I used to play pretty hardcore, but playing it in a different light really opens your eyes - not caring about all the little shit.

Any person who doesn't do all the gay achievements etc and just does some raids with a guild will have heaps of time for other stuff. Hell I have a 2 year old and I have cleared all of ICC/Wrath Content and still have time for StarCraft / Family.

My 2c
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 11:04:51
October 18 2010 11:03 GMT
#118
Haven't played in over a year but I'm coming back for this. The hype machine has got me and I'll play until SW:tOR comes out. Does TL have a guild?
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
October 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#119
On October 18 2010 19:40 SilkD wrote:
I used to play pretty hardcore, but playing it in a different light really opens your eyes - not caring about all the little shit.

Any person who doesn't do all the gay achievements etc and just does some raids with a guild will have heaps of time for other stuff. Hell I have a 2 year old and I have cleared all of ICC/Wrath Content and still have time for StarCraft / Family.

My 2c


Totally agreed dude. I used to raid 3-5 days a week when I was 16-17. Made a lot of cool friends but the game became a real drag, stopped playing in 2007 and sold my account. Came back two weeks or so ago in preparation of Cata with a new account. Convinced some of my old raider friends to play with me casually and honestly it's like a completely different game, haha.
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
October 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#120
On October 18 2010 19:37 kasumimi wrote:
Stay away from WoW, it's bad for you.

My personal experience: I quit smoking (13 year smoker) the day I quit WoW 2 years ago and my life changed completely for the best.

That's bullshit. If you can't control your time it's your fault, not the games.

There are addictions everywhere. WoW including.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko355
RotterdaM 211
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 2161
Sea 1654
GuemChi 1432
Jaedong 925
Soma 772
firebathero 545
Stork 418
hero 229
Leta 212
Rush 174
[ Show more ]
sSak 145
Hyuk 114
Barracks 107
Pusan 105
Hyun 97
Mong 88
Snow 80
Backho 56
Sharp 55
Sea.KH 53
ToSsGirL 40
Shine 28
Movie 19
Terrorterran 16
scan(afreeca) 10
IntoTheRainbow 10
Noble 7
Dota 2
qojqva2468
Dendi638
Counter-Strike
zeus562
edward106
markeloff86
Other Games
singsing2283
B2W.Neo785
hiko503
DeMusliM381
crisheroes330
Fuzer 231
Liquid`LucifroN136
XaKoH 128
XcaliburYe95
Mew2King75
QueenE47
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL145
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 19
• Azhi_Dahaki16
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV429
League of Legends
• Jankos2523
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
30m
OSC
7h 30m
Replay Cast
8h 30m
OSC
21h 30m
LAN Event
1d
Korean StarCraft League
1d 12h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 19h
LAN Event
2 days
IPSL
2 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
BSL 21
2 days
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
3 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.