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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
Up to this day, I have 4 priests (I know I'm a masochist) and back in BC Disc Priests were so overpowered lolol My HolyPal best friend and I were Res Capped with 1300 healing and we sat on AV tower and just healed each other until the end of time blowing all cooldowns available Best 15 minutes of my life lol. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
I had a Shadowpriest... Was fun in season 1/2... After that it was just lol (had no Rogue to play with, the only feasible 2on2 combo that still *could* work but was XXXX times harder to play than any Druid/Warrior combo). When you fought against other healer teams it was basically just endless boredom waiting for a good Sword or Maceproc in a good moment. Later I had a Warrior and played with a Druid... It was so damn easy to get a decent rating. But fun? Nah. Didn't even finish the grind for the S3 (or S4, don't remember) weapons (stopped playing around that time) Only fun was charging into *fresh* 70i clothies/treedruids with my cataclysm blade and nearly -1000 armor killing them in 2-3 Hits (the fun of a Sword Proc + Doublecrit can not be underestimated  ).I loved Raid-PvE... And TBC was just utter shit when it came to that. The only really good Instance was Karazhan which was the entry point and therefore way to easy. I mean the bosses had *ok* amount of Trash, most Boss encounters were fun (played them as Shadowpriest and Offwarrior, Shadowpriest was really cool in that instance... Dispeling, Shackling, DPS... Loads to do and with the gear at that time undisputed Nr. 1 in damage when just focusing on it, together with affliction locks - if you actually could play and were tailor). | ||
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Pellucidity
Netherlands377 Posts
On August 26 2009 16:39 HuskyTheHusky wrote: WoW PvP is not balanced, it never has been and never will be. There are too many factors in it plus it isnt an even playing field for all those involved. RNG does NOT work for e-sports. Sure, Blizzard can force it into being one, but it could not sustain itself without Blizzard pumping all the money into it that they are. RNG is bad. Racials are bad as they are not accessible to everyone. On top of that, having to grind for weeks/months just to be equal gear of others is pretty dumb, the game should focus on your thinking/reactions/team work... not how much time you put into getting gear. WoW simply is not a good e-sport. Virtually everything about it goes against what makes a good sport. PvP is fun, sure, but I facerolled to 2150 last season (this season? I dont know, I dont follow it anymore). It just depends what class Blizzard feels like buffing that month. It is balanced around 3v3's. If you only 2v2 or 5v5 you'll find it isn't balanced because it's impossible to balance the game around all match ups. Seeing as you don't follow it anymore do you really think you're the right person to comment on balance? | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
On August 26 2009 04:19 HuskyTheHusky wrote: Enjoy leveling up and re-gearing again. Lets see... how many tiers are there now? 8? Plus the third expansion.... soooooo: 1) leveling to max level 4 times, check 2) Gearing up 8 times + 3 expansions = around 11 times, check 3) Reusing all the same old content with new skins, check. I am really glad I dont play WoW anymore. I cant believe people are excited about this expansion, but then again I got sick of grinding nonstop just to be equal to what I was before a long time ago. A lot of people are still into having to re-climb the tier ladder over and over. ummm what?... last time I checked you only have to level your character once.. unless you want to re-roll. There is a ton of new content in this expansion that you can experience with your main level 80.. also how is adding a bunch of new raids and dungeons re-using old content? and what's wrong with improving on the original zones? they needed it.. and i have no idea what your talking about as far as having to gear up 11 times? wtf are you talking about? | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On August 26 2009 11:00 Jayme wrote: The problem I have/had (I quit back in April, I still have a few friends that play "high" level) with Alone in the Darkness and its ilk is that it revolves around doing a fight incorrectly. It goes against everything in any MMO ever to be honest and it always felt wrong to me to artificially make a fight harder by intentionally screwing up :p. That was my problem as well. It looks like they fixed it for ToC by making the normal and hard mode instances separated by a toggle before zoning in. They said they didn't want to rely on retarded mechanisms to activate hard modes. I still don't think that the hard modes give enough rewards over the easy mode, though. I'm pumped for the expansion. I think they're making the right changes and making the game more fun. I'm really more of a solo/coop player than a competitive player, though. I like watching pro-SC games but I don't really like playing it that much. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
also , Worgen race ? in alliance ? uhm ... i dont know why but they rather dont fit into the whole alliance thing imo . wow another WOW addon , and where the fuck is SC2 beta guys ? ... maybe i will try this out tho | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
I have been PvPing almost exclusively since about 6-8 months after the game came out. My roommate/friend was rank 14 and currently spends all his time PvPing. His toon has something like 290 days played. I have played in every arena season except for 2, and have always had 4 of the max level characters. I think I know a thing or two about WoW PvP balance. It simply cannot be balanced. I have listed why already but I will remind you that racials are not available to everyone. Combined with RNG, server lag, and flavor of the month classes, it simply cannot be balanced. Arena is fun until about 2150, then you get completely screwed because you decided to be X race + class instead of whatever is good that month. WoW is an amazing casual game, but it is impossible to say that it has, or ever will be, anywhere near balanced as SC | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On August 27 2009 04:01 Pellucidity wrote: It is balanced around 3v3's. If you only 2v2 or 5v5 you'll find it isn't balanced because it's impossible to balance the game around all match ups. Seeing as you don't follow it anymore do you really think you're the right person to comment on balance? If by balance, you mean that for every class, there exists at least 1 viable team it can be on, then sure it's balanced. But that sucks. I've already written out two WoW rants on tl.net so I'm not gonna keep writing a new one for every WoW thread, but arena definitely isn't balanced (even if you only look at 3v3). Worse players can absolutely stomp better players based on the comps of each team. Hell, you can't read 2 threads in a row on AJ without someone implying it or saying it outright. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
I dont hate WoW, I just get frustrated at the painfully obvious things they could change to make pvp more balanced. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 27 2009 07:09 HuskyTheHusky wrote: For the record, I'm still contemplating playing WoW again just because I have some free time opening up next term. I dont hate WoW, I just get frustrated at the painfully obvious things they could change to make pvp more balanced. They can't, there's the PvE aspect to consider too, and that more than anything is handcuffing PvP balance. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On August 27 2009 06:48 HuskyTheHusky wrote: WoW is an amazing casual game, but it is impossible to say that it has, or ever will be, anywhere near balanced as SC Stop trying to compare the two. Balancing an RTS and balancing an MMO are two different things. 11+ Million players in WoW, do you think a majority of them are going to be hardcore raid/PVP-till-your-eyes-bleed players or casual one or two hours a night players. It's marketing. PVP imbalance isn't going to make 10 million players quit or stop playing. They'll bitch and move on to other things. WoW can't cater to a small group of player's needs. The easiest (and largest) group to please is the casual gamer, and they are doing that quite well - you already admit this. I'm not defending Blizzard because I necessarily like the way they have currently set up the game, both PVP and PVEwise. I used to raid six nights a week with Catalyst on Feathermoon pre-BC. If you can use your Season experience as a "proof" to back your argument, I can pull those out too. I played WoW before druids were even a class and rogues had feign death. I haven't seriously raided in a long time, just as a filler when my friends are down a few people. If you're really a 2k+ player, Husky, and you can't beat certain classes / comps.. I'd hope you've got at least enough friends to mock a scenario. For the longest time, I was having big issues as a ret pally (admitting I play ret pally is probably going to make you all think my posts are worthless, due to QQ OP nonsense.) when going up against the new Shadowfrost PVP Deathknight spec... so I just found a good sparring partner that happened to be that class/spec combo and talked theory and duelled him all night. Same thing I do if I'm having trouble beating 5 hatch hydra as Terran or whatever...just get a person to keep pummeling away at you until you figure out timings or strats. There's a few Free-PVP arenas I hope to god you know about, take your arena team and find some friends... I play ret pally / resto shaman and alot of our PVP friends were willing to 2v2 in Gurubashi until we could get some synergy vs. DK / Holy paladin or whatever. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On August 27 2009 07:57 Torenhire wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2009 06:48 HuskyTheHusky wrote: WoW is an amazing casual game, but it is impossible to say that it has, or ever will be, anywhere near balanced as SC Stop trying to compare the two. Balancing an RTS and balancing an MMO are two different things. 11+ Million players in WoW, do you think a majority of them are going to be hardcore raid/PVP-till-your-eyes-bleed players or casual one or two hours a night players. It's marketing. PVP imbalance isn't going to make 10 million players quit or stop playing. They'll bitch and move on to other things. WoW can't cater to a small group of player's needs. The easiest (and largest) group to please is the casual gamer, and they are doing that quite well - you already admit this. I'm not defending Blizzard because I necessarily like the way they have currently set up the game, both PVP and PVEwise. I used to raid six nights a week with Catalyst on Feathermoon pre-BC. If you can use your Season experience as a "proof" to back your argument, I can pull those out too. I played WoW before druids were even a class and rogues had feign death. I haven't seriously raided in a long time, just as a filler when my friends are down a few people. If you're really a 2k+ player, Husky, and you can't beat certain classes / comps.. I'd hope you've got at least enough friends to mock a scenario. For the longest time, I was having big issues as a ret pally (admitting I play ret pally is probably going to make you all think my posts are worthless, due to QQ OP nonsense.) when going up against the new Shadowfrost PVP Deathknight spec... so I just found a good sparring partner that happened to be that class/spec combo and talked theory and duelled him all night. Same thing I do if I'm having trouble beating 5 hatch hydra as Terran or whatever...just get a person to keep pummeling away at you until you figure out timings or strats. There's a few Free-PVP arenas I hope to god you know about, take your arena team and find some friends... I play ret pally / resto shaman and alot of our PVP friends were willing to 2v2 in Gurubashi until we could get some synergy vs. DK / Holy paladin or whatever. Yeah I know Blizzards main focus never has and never will be PvP, I understand why that is. The only thing that irks me is when people say WoW is a good e-sport. It simply cannot be a good one and wouldnt be one at all if Blizzard wasnt fueling it with loads of money (Starcraft became an e-sport on its own because of how good of a game it is). Arena is pretty fun, I'll give it that. Nothing like facerolling noobs as warrior+any healer. Though since I was a warrior I never had too much trouble with ret... it was holy who are the assholes  I may hop on WoW again just to faceroll my way to 2100 while I wait for the sc2 beta. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On August 23 2009 16:35 Disintegrate wrote: [/list][*]Tauren Paladin [*]Tauren Priest [*]Gnome Priest [*]Troll Druid Wait... WHAT ? | ||
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SkY)CosMoS
Dominican Republic106 Posts
On August 27 2009 06:48 HuskyTheHusky wrote: WoW is an amazing casual game, but it is impossible to say that it has, or ever will be, anywhere near balanced as SC Apples will never taste the same as oranges. | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
And a PvP island that's basically Wintergrasp crossed with Quel'Danas, hopefully instancing the island will allow it not to fuck over the entire server. | ||
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