The next person to make a derogatory remark about this article "not belonging in FEs" is banned. High horses are for people who's opinions I give a shit about, not you fucks.

It's fun and sarcastic, the way only DJ could pull off. Good stuff dude.

Titusmaster6

United States5937 Posts

November 02 2007 23:50 GMT

#37

Heathen Dog!!! Blasephemy! I smite your scientific evidence with the power of Vishnu!

berated-

United States1134 Posts

November 03 2007 00:06 GMT

#38

On November 03 2007 08:42 ManaBlue wrote:
The next person to make a derogatory remark about this article "not belonging in FEs" is banned. High horses are for people who's opinions I give a shit about, not you fucks.

It's fun and sarcastic, the way only DJ could pull off. Good stuff dude.

With all due respect, I think you are missing what the people are saying, probably because they aren't elaborating on their thoughts.

Before I get started I would just like to say I agree that it is rude the way that they came out and just directly said that this isn't FE worthy. However, even though I wouldn't have been one of the ones to say it, I couldn't help agreeing with them and I feel compelled now to stick up for what they are saying, not how they are acting.

The high horse that you are speaking of -- I don't feel that it is one that the people are on, I feel that it is one that TL is on. When Final Edits came out I was amazed at the amount of time and effort that came with it. Haji gave us a great analysis on why he thought Lecaf should win, you wrote a fantastic article about stork, FakeSteve seemed to sober up his constant humor and write really good stories of Sea and his clutch engage. And none of this even includes HonestTea.

HonestTea is one of the most gifted writers that I have ever read on TL, he has an ability to keep you reading with a way that no other person does. It is incredible that I find myself so infatuated and glued to the screen when reading his articles. Its just some words about a computer game, right? Not when he writes it...

Moreover, Etter has offered far better explanations and analysis. I realize that he was just being sarcastic and trying to be funny, which in someways was accomplished. However, he has spoiled all of us, all of the FE writers have spoiled us, in ways that lead us desiring the fascinating articles that you have come to provide us with.

So hopefully everyone in the thread should be sorry for the way the presented their thoughts, but not for what they are thinking. TeamLiquid does hold itself to a higher standard than every other english starcraft site. The goal of Final Edits, or what I thought the goal was by reading hot_bids words --

Enjoy the read, and maybe there will be a few "[R]English Translation" threads showing up at Pgr21 or FighterForum in the near future.

was to continually push TeamLiquid to be one of the classiest starcraft sites around, and why should we be sorry for wanting that to continue ?

ManaBlue

Canada10458 Posts

November 03 2007 00:30 GMT

#39

Well I must say bErAtEd, that was a fantastic post.

You're right, the reason I went off like that was because of how it was being said, and who was saying it. We all know what FE articles are meant to be, and it's not like I expect people to praise DJ for this article in the same way that they should for one of his carefully constructed Power Ranks, or in depth battle reports or previews, or one of his own past FE articles. However, when a 33 post shmuck who's done dick all thinks he can get away with dismissing a contribution from ANYONE with a derogatory one liner, much less a contributor the level of DJ, it gets me right pissed off.

So while I agree entirely with what you've written there I would still hesitate to defend the comments, as much due to who said them as how they were said, that were made in this thread. This article was made just for fun, and I am not of the personality to simply ignore and diminish asshats the way that Hotbid so elegantly does.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36400 Posts

November 03 2007 00:54 GMT

#40

On November 03 2007 09:06 bErAtEd- wrote:
With all due respect, I think you are missing what the people are saying, probably because they aren't elaborating on their thoughts.

Before I get started I would just like to say I agree that it is rude the way that they came out and just directly said that this isn't FE worthy. However, even though I wouldn't have been one of the ones to say it, I couldn't help agreeing with them and I feel compelled now to stick up for what they are saying, not how they are acting.

The high horse that you are speaking of -- I don't feel that it is one that the people are on, I feel that it is one that TL is on. When Final Edits came out I was amazed at the amount of time and effort that came with it. Haji gave us a great analysis on why he thought Lecaf should win, you wrote a fantastic article about stork, FakeSteve seemed to sober up his constant humor and write really good stories of Sea and his clutch engage. And none of this even includes HonestTea.

HonestTea is one of the most gifted writers that I have ever read on TL, he has an ability to keep you reading with a way that no other person does. It is incredible that I find myself so infatuated and glued to the screen when reading his articles. Its just some words about a computer game, right? Not when he writes it...

Moreover, Etter has offered far better explanations and analysis. I realize that he was just being sarcastic and trying to be funny, which in someways was accomplished. However, he has spoiled all of us, all of the FE writers have spoiled us, in ways that lead us desiring the fascinating articles that you have come to provide us with.

So hopefully everyone in the thread should be sorry for the way the presented their thoughts, but not for what they are thinking. TeamLiquid does hold itself to a higher standard than every other english starcraft site. The goal of Final Edits, or what I thought the goal was by reading hot_bids words --

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was to continually push TeamLiquid to be one of the classiest starcraft sites around, and why should we be sorry for wanting that to continue ?

Berated, there are plenty of humor articles featured prominently on ESPN.com about any sport you can think of. There are joke columns and comics and everything. This is not a news piece. This is a humor article. We've seen photoshops of progamers heads onto the bodies of women, stork in a dinosaur outfit, and Xellos dressing up like a girl. You're saying an article that sarcastically points out just how astronomically difficult it'd be to win an OSL, and does it through humor, is "lowering our standards?"

Frankly, FE is up to the writers and editors. We're looking for fun, interesting articles that are written well and present something new. We're not writing to gain approval for readers. If writers wrote this way, there'd be no passion and every article would be summarizing Boxer's accomplishments or about how manly Reach is. You write when you're inspired about want you want. Usually you guys like reading it, sometimes you don't. That's what editorials are, except they all present a point of view and bring something new to the table. This article did that.

This article was the perfect length, was written well, and had great tone, humor, and even some analysis. Haji and I can approve FE articles. I approved this one. So I don't know where everyone is saying "is this worth an FE article" because if it's on that little bar with the "NEW!" next to it and in the archive, it's an FE article.

Sorry if this doesn't meet the standards that you have for Etter or for FE, but we're not writing to meet the standards in your head anyway. If you disagree with my decision to make this an FE, that'll just be a burden I'll bear.