• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:43
CEST 17:43
KST 00:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
38 yo Retired SWE looking to save SC IP I have 0 hope Blizzard doing anything with SC IP SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder Working 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 Ladder an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot Syncronization issues and can't find games Man Bnet can't even load profile now, WTF
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr - bo7 - Sunday 9pm CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7904 users

Winning the OSL Is Easy! - Page 4

Forum Index > Final Edits
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-03 06:21:46
November 03 2007 05:06 GMT
#61
edited.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
November 03 2007 05:27 GMT
#62
FE? This is a joke...
Administrator
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
November 03 2007 05:28 GMT
#63
Goodbye everyone, HB is going to kill me now.
Administrator
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
November 03 2007 05:31 GMT
#64
lol
Moderator<:3-/-<
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 03 2007 05:32 GMT
#65
DIE BOB

@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-03 06:02:37
November 03 2007 05:57 GMT
#66
(Altho I have a guess about how you might feel by now when seeing me addressing DJ's articles...)

But in all objectivity it seems to me people lack DJ going any further with the data. If we strip down the dressing we see one thing being said: "To win an OSL you need an overall theoretical minimum of 65.31% winning percentage from qualifiers to the trophy."

Now the thought of this is rather interesting, and I'm sure even tho lots of people figured this out back in 2001 or so, it has probably never been addressed so directly. But had DJ chosen to play around some with this quite intriguing number, like say - analyzing player's records and why some of them are champions altho their ratios don't fit, and others have brilliant ratios but choke - I'm sure most people would have been satisfied.

Of course, it is most probable that DJ has formulated his article in this way precisely to leave all the thought-process to the readers, and generate discussion... But then you should understand that as well, HB, - and also understand that some people are just bound to "not get it".

To summarize, the article's content is something one would see a thread in the Tournament section created about - sparking a discussion, but leaving it to the forum visitors to go beyond the raw data. It is this fundamental difference as compared to the other FE articles that leaves the sense of "lacking something" in most of the critics, I'm sure.

Oh, and in-before anything else: I'm not defending ZergZoul, this is just an analysis of the situation.
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
November 03 2007 06:10 GMT
#67
On November 03 2007 13:04 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2007 12:56 xBTx wrote:
On November 02 2007 17:37 DJEtterStyle wrote:


[*]Go 10-6 in the OSL.By following the above-outlined method, anyone can win the OSL with a mere 65.31% winning percentage. Get a solid D average and you’re a champion!

But all this research begs the question: because my easy-to-follow steps were not published until just now, who is going to win the current OSL? The answer lies in the percentage. Only one player in the current OSL has a winning percentage above 65.31%, and that player is Jaedong. So who’s going to win the current OSL? Jaedong. You can’t argue with science.


If you check right now, Jaedong's winning percentage is exactly 65.31%.

FATE.
[/list]

No, its RIGGED.
>.>
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 03 2007 06:12 GMT
#68
It's a fun article meant to be a joke. Clearly it's ridiculously hard to win an OSL and boiling it down to purely 65% win rate, not to mention to use that to determine the next OSL winner and discounting factors like maps, strength of players, randomness of groups, matchup weaknesses, format, group selection, pressure play, amount of leagues the player is in, etc... is ridiculous.

I thought this was assumed. It'll truly fly over some peoples' heads, but whatever. Think of it more as an article aimed at those who would laugh at the absurdity of the claims Etter makes here.

In no way is he actually making any real points or wanting to spark discussion about using %s and winrates to determine a winner or strongest player.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
November 03 2007 06:53 GMT
#69
HB, I've been thinking since long ago what that major, fundamental difference is that makes us stand so far apart.

And just now I realised!

You're a Legalist - I'm a Confucianist.

By golly, WTF, superpope!
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
November 03 2007 08:53 GMT
#70
omg stork in dinosaur outfit was fake?!

my heart T_T...
Hates Fun🤔
morfyy
Profile Joined May 2007
Romania593 Posts
November 03 2007 09:17 GMT
#71
On November 03 2007 07:51 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2007 03:38 MeriaDoKk wrote:
ok im in korea now.... where do i go ?


DON'T GO NORTH!!!


Indeed ^^
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
November 03 2007 11:24 GMT
#72
On November 03 2007 17:53 paper wrote:
omg stork in dinosaur outfit was fake?!

my heart T_T...


Don't worry, that image is 100% real.
returns upon momentous occasions.
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
November 03 2007 12:48 GMT
#73
entertaining read =)
Razamataz
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada135 Posts
November 03 2007 16:54 GMT
#74
The giant flame war was almost as entertaining as the original post, good job everyone!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
November 03 2007 17:29 GMT
#75
If Jaedong wins the osl DJetter is a prophet
ram
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Lithuania602 Posts
November 03 2007 18:11 GMT
#76
On November 03 2007 13:25 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2007 12:54 hwasingodlysense wrote:
no.
anytime won so1 through dedication. not through statistics.


add this to the thread title please. ; )
anytime... winner of so1 osl... pride of south korea...

sup carlo?


you just cannot get bored with carlo =DDD

nice to see him back!
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
November 03 2007 18:58 GMT
#77
Wow, I personaly didnt want to assault anyone with my comment. Just wanted to say that this is not as entertaining as the other FE articles. No offence to anyone.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 03 2007 20:31 GMT
#78
That may be, but on a related note, it's more entertaining than your face.

Furthermore, I would have been dumb enough to respond to you and mynock 6 months ago. Though I'm still dumb enough to have a debate with berated, completely ruining the thread (sorry DJ ), and escalating what was nothing but a punchline under the careful watch of HotBid, at least I'm improving.

In closing, it is now official that it takes more cunning tactics to bait ManaBlue. The hunt for the right flavour is on!
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 06:54:05
November 04 2007 06:53 GMT
#79
If this article is a "scientific" one, why in heading there is a "unscientific" word "Easy" used? :D

This is not a serious article, must be deleted
JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
November 05 2007 09:04 GMT
#80
lol please let fakesteve and hot_bid do the Final Edits
<3 Nada [On and off TL.net since 2002
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
14:00
BamPatch 1.0 Weekly #2
SHIN 98
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 375
SHIN 98
CosmosSc2 30
MindelVK 27
EmSc Tv 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1131
Mini 482
Soulkey 448
firebathero 438
Soma 316
Stork 249
Last 97
sSak 78
Zeus 66
Dewaltoss 61
[ Show more ]
Barracks 42
910 34
ToSsGirL 25
PianO 17
Sharp 17
yabsab 17
Terrorterran 13
Trap 11
Free 6
Dota 2
Gorgc6371
Dendi1169
Counter-Strike
fl0m779
byalli305
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes259
Other Games
singsing1629
FrodaN1011
B2W.Neo776
Beastyqt512
Hui .292
KnowMe187
QueenE66
Mew2King62
Trikslyr33
Vindicta2
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7275
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3947
Other Games
gamesdonequick944
EGCTV824
StarCraft 2
WardiTV370
Other Games
BasetradeTV47
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 3
EmSc2Tv 3
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 27
• mYiSmile118
• EnkiAlexander 5
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2660
League of Legends
• Jankos1714
Other Games
• WagamamaTV165
• Shiphtur93
Upcoming Events
AI Arena Tournament
1h 17m
Replay Cast
8h 17m
GSL
19h 17m
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
23h 17m
Spirit vs Mixu
BSL
1d 3h
Ret vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 18h
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
1d 19h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-18
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.