Mvp Fan Club - Page 223

On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:


This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain.

Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means.

Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine

edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol

On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:


Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll.

Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2.

If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title.


Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones.

On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:


haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later

The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =(

On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:


Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive.

On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:


Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible!

edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro.

I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying

On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:


Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance.

The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa.

On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:


Very true. That's why I was so upset when mvp lost to mma in what was it, gsl october? or september 2011? During that time, he was undeniably the greatest player and WAS favored against everyone. But then freaking mma had to come out and snipe him and ruined alot of his mojo going at the time. =(

The similar is true with Jaedong. He was dominating everyone, bam flash steps up. Now this argument is a little different as once flash hit his peak potential, he kept it, where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. But those kinks in mvp's period of dominance are what ruin it.

I even argue against Flash's invincibility for losing to effort in the osl. Had to won that he would have been undefeated in 2010, in everything. Fucking effort..

I guess the biggest problem is his continued domination over an extended period time. He's definitely consistent over long periods, but not dominant, you know what i'm saying?

Wins gsl january 2011, goes to code a, comes back to win world champs, then hovers at the mid end for a bit while nestea claims 2 more championships in the summer. Then towards the end of summer mvp comes out rape mode, only to lose it to mma 2 months later. Then he goes into hiding a bit, then comes back and wins 1 more gsl. And now he's in the final of another. He's so good overall, if only he could keep his dominance for longer periods of time

On October 11 2012 05:19 Luepert wrote:
I will now explain an argument for MVP's Bonjwaness.
Numerous people have said: "Bonjwa is a tearm only given to people who are expected to win everything!
MVP isn't expected to win things so he's not!"

The reason MVP isn't favored to win everything is because the community is just plain dumb. I remember after the WC saying that "MVP is the best player in the world!" However, when MVP played Nestea for the 4th time in the GSL (All the previous 3 had gone to MVP)((and this was post blizzcon)) Wolf said "This I one of the greatest upsets of GSL history." There has never really been a moment where the whole community accepted him as the best. Now we refer to him s "past his prime" and say hi glory days were WC/GSL AUG. But even then people were saying his glory days were over and he had peaked in GSL JAN. At blizzcon tons of people said Nestea threw the match because nobody ever wanted to accept MVP as the best player in the world. There was more cheering for MMA when he beat MVP for 1 gsl than when MVP won his 4th.

I blame this on the Starcraft scene's obsession with personality. MVP is shy, and just an ordinary guy. He doesn't do ceremonies, he doesn't get in heated twitter rivalries and he doesn't make drama. He's not as cute as hero or Bisu so he just isn't appealing to the majority of the fanbase. Here are some examples. At the time of MVP's 3rd GSL, his fanclub had ~120 pages, Idra's had over 2000. WTF What has Idra done to deserve more attention tahn MVP, MVP is a better player in all regards. Idra got famous by being white and having an attitude. Another example: who here remembers the fucking MC murloc dance? EVERY FUCKING BODY. It annoys me so much, MC beat MVP 2-1 at Providence and then dances in a suit. Does anyone outside of this fanclub remember that the next day MVP 3-0'd in the extended series? Who here besides me remembers MVP walking into the crushed MC's booth and shaking his hand and patting him on the back? He responds with manner even when MC gave him none the previous day. Now if he had done a bigger dance, his fanclub would have 4,000 pages by now like Idra's "" "motherfucker" when he got revenge on cruncher. People more celebrated Idra's close revenge on a low tier north American pro then MVP beating the "best" player in the world at the time. In the starcraft scene, you have to be either, obnoxious, controversial, or cute to get any recognition, simply winning twice as many tournaments as everyone else simply doesn't cut it.

On October 11 2012 05:19 Luepert wrote:
In the starcraft scene, you have to be either, obnoxious, controversial, or cute to get any recognition, simply winning twice as many tournaments as everyone else simply doesn't cut it.

On October 11 2012 05:29 andaylin wrote:
MVP is gonna send Life home crying after a 4-0 embarrassment.

On October 11 2012 05:24 ChApFoU wrote:
I second that, and unfortunately it's like that in many other sports and areas. Douchebaggery and being cool/cute is more valued than raw skill but who cares : Deep down inside everybody knows who's the boss and who are the chumps trying to get attention.

MVP doesn't need to be loved or favored. He just wins.

On October 11 2012 05:43 Fizzy wrote:


There has always been players in all sports that have been hands down the best player, no attitude no gimmicks, just pure brilliant skill and beatufil playstyle and all the others who practise the sport would look up to it and admire that person. A few examples are Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky, they are both still considered perhaps the best players of all time.

Im pretty sure if someone made some kind of research on all the TL fanclubs, you would notice there being a slightly higher skill-level in Mvps fanclub than lets say in IdrAs. Simply because idra mostly just attract the drama loving american fanboys who sit in the NA silver league once a day and watches his stream for the remainder of his sparetime. Whilst the Mvp fanboys are spread of evenly all over the globe while playing a slightly higher skill-level and league and is looking up to his brilliant play.

Also i would like to get a jump in on the whole bonjwa discussion, i agree with both parties on some, i have to agree that Mvp doesnt have that aura that everyone keep talking about, but that is probably because there are so many more events and tournaments going on. If you look at only GSL, mvp has been ranking first in the ELO for the last 2 years, having an insanely high win % and as long as he makes it past the ro16 he has 80%+ winrate.

And if people cant agree to call him the first SC2 bonjwa, he will probably get an honorary bonjwa position after he retires, just like BoxeR did, because as most of you oldschool BW people might remember, BoxeR was never considered a bonjwa during his time, and even more... when compared to the other bonjwas or Jaedong.. he isnt even close to their level of achievement. But he still pioneered his time and was always around. Just like Mvp is atm.

If you dont want to call him the first bonjwa of SC2 (not yet anyhow, since he still has alot to show u guys before he retires im sure ;> ), you should atleast be able to call him the BoxeR of SC2, since he is pretty much exactly the same thing for SC2 as boxer were for BW :p

On October 11 2012 05:51 IMLyte wrote:
Lol this argument about bonjwa is funny,
IMO with this win you can't help but feel the urge to throw 'bonjwa' out there, The man just made his 6th Gsl finals with 4 championships. Something no one has ever come close to in SC2 but, on the other hand you see a god like Jaedong who accomplished more than Mvp in Sc1 (arguably harder competition) still not receive such a prestigious title. It will come down to general consensus but if he wins I'm sure the Korean community will proclaim him to be the first Sc2 bonjwa.

On October 11 2012 05:43 Fizzy wrote:


There has always been players in all sports that have been hands down the best player, no attitude no gimmicks, just pure brilliant skill and beatufil playstyle and all the others who practise the sport would look up to it and admire that person. A few examples are Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky, they are both still considered perhaps the best players of all time.

Im pretty sure if someone made some kind of research on all the TL fanclubs, you would notice there being a slightly higher skill-level in Mvps fanclub than lets say in IdrAs. Simply because idra mostly just attract the drama loving american fanboys who sit in the NA silver league once a day and watches his stream for the remainder of his sparetime. Whilst the Mvp fanboys are spread of evenly all over the globe while playing a slightly higher skill-level and league and is looking up to his brilliant play.

Also i would like to get a jump in on the whole bonjwa discussion, i agree with both parties on some, i have to agree that Mvp doesnt have that aura that everyone keep talking about, but that is probably because there are so many more events and tournaments going on. If you look at only GSL, mvp has been ranking first in the ELO for the last 2 years, having an insanely high win % and as long as he makes it past the ro16 he has 80%+ winrate.

And if people cant agree to call him the first SC2 bonjwa, he will probably get an honorary bonjwa position after he retires, just like BoxeR did, because as most of you oldschool BW people might remember, BoxeR was never considered a bonjwa during his time, and even more... when compared to the other bonjwas or Jaedong.. he isnt even close to their level of achievement. But he still pioneered his time and was always around. Just like Mvp is atm.

If you dont want to call him the first bonjwa of SC2 (not yet anyhow, since he still has alot to show u guys before he retires im sure ;> ), you should atleast be able to call him the BoxeR of SC2, since he is pretty much exactly the same thing for SC2 as boxer were for BW :p