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The crazy thing is how giant balls Mvp must have to do an SCV pull in the final game, to hit a specific timing all-in. It's the same ballsiness that had him go 11/11 in the final set against Squirtle.
The Mvp kill-move is a peculiar thing. NesTea had it too, until recently. Suddenly they just kill the opposing player. They take windows of opportunity as soon as they see them.
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On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie.
He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol.
I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king!
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On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king!
Agreed although not sure if I want him to permanently retire. Maybe just rest enough until his condition gets back to normal. Either way though it certainly wouldn't be a bad time to call it quits  MVP Hwaiting!
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On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king!
???
This makes no sense.
You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid.
Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa.
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On October 11 2012 02:54 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king! ??? This makes no sense. You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid. Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa.
Yes I want him to retire and get surgery before he permanently damages his body. He's already cemented his legacy as the first sc2 great. If he continues on, he'll eventually get worn out and retire anyway. Rather he do it gracefully on his own terms before it's too late.
And your description is wrong. The problem doesn't have to do with having less games in bw. There have simply been no players yet with that "unstoppable aura". Mvp is without a doubt the best sc2 palyer so far in history. But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. None of them did. He's kinda in that sense an "anti-bonjwa". We don't go into every game and go yep mvps gonna kill him 100% no doubt. We doubt him, but he delivers.
I'm assuming you didn't follow bw in which there were people who were favorites for every single game they palyed for a year. It's so strange with mvp because we always doubt him and think he's gonna lose, but he just keeps fucking winning somehow lol
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On October 11 2012 02:13 NesquiKGG wrote:
Everyone said Squirlte is unstopable and Mvp killed him.
Everyone said Rain is unbeatable and Mvp crushed him.
Everyone is saying Life may be the new Champion but Mvp gonna murder that kid on Livestage.
Mvp Fightiiiiiiiiingg!!!!
Haha i like that man!! Hell yeah Mvp! Show him who is the real boss!
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On October 11 2012 02:57 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 02:54 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king! ??? This makes no sense. You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid. Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa. Yes I want him to retire and get surgery before he permanently damages his body. He's already cemented his legacy as the first sc2 great. If he continues on, he'll eventually get worn out and retire anyway. Rather he do it gracefully on his own terms before it's too late. And your description is wrong. The problem doesn't have to do with having less games in bw. There have simply been no players yet with that "unstoppable aura". Mvp is without a doubt the best sc2 palyer so far in history. But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. None of them did. He's kinda in that sense an "anti-bonjwa". We don't go into every game and go yep mvps gonna kill him 100% no doubt. We doubt him, but he delivers. I'm assuming you didn't follow bw in which there were people who were favorites for every single game they palyed for a year. It's so strange with mvp because we always doubt him and think he's gonna lose, but he just keeps fucking winning somehow lol
I followed BW a bit, and there won't be those kinds of players in Sc2 I don't think, if you play Sc2 perfectly you can still lose to a lot of silly timings or just by getting unlucky with your scouting.
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Why do people have to keep talking about "bonjwa"?
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On October 11 2012 03:29 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 02:57 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 02:54 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king! ??? This makes no sense. You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid. Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa. Yes I want him to retire and get surgery before he permanently damages his body. He's already cemented his legacy as the first sc2 great. If he continues on, he'll eventually get worn out and retire anyway. Rather he do it gracefully on his own terms before it's too late. And your description is wrong. The problem doesn't have to do with having less games in bw. There have simply been no players yet with that "unstoppable aura". Mvp is without a doubt the best sc2 palyer so far in history. But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. None of them did. He's kinda in that sense an "anti-bonjwa". We don't go into every game and go yep mvps gonna kill him 100% no doubt. We doubt him, but he delivers. I'm assuming you didn't follow bw in which there were people who were favorites for every single game they palyed for a year. It's so strange with mvp because we always doubt him and think he's gonna lose, but he just keeps fucking winning somehow lol I followed BW a bit, and there won't be those kinds of players in Sc2 I don't think, if you play Sc2 perfectly you can still lose to a lot of silly timings or just by getting unlucky with your scouting.
Then that's a problem with the game sadly =(
The word bonjwa doesn't really fit in this game at this moment. I hate that word anyway. I prefer to call mvp the king!
Personally though I don't think we've seen all there is to sc2 yet. No one has played the game perfectly yet. At least I hope not O_O
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On October 11 2012 03:35 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 03:29 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:57 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 02:54 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king! ??? This makes no sense. You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid. Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa. Yes I want him to retire and get surgery before he permanently damages his body. He's already cemented his legacy as the first sc2 great. If he continues on, he'll eventually get worn out and retire anyway. Rather he do it gracefully on his own terms before it's too late. And your description is wrong. The problem doesn't have to do with having less games in bw. There have simply been no players yet with that "unstoppable aura". Mvp is without a doubt the best sc2 palyer so far in history. But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. None of them did. He's kinda in that sense an "anti-bonjwa". We don't go into every game and go yep mvps gonna kill him 100% no doubt. We doubt him, but he delivers. I'm assuming you didn't follow bw in which there were people who were favorites for every single game they palyed for a year. It's so strange with mvp because we always doubt him and think he's gonna lose, but he just keeps fucking winning somehow lol I followed BW a bit, and there won't be those kinds of players in Sc2 I don't think, if you play Sc2 perfectly you can still lose to a lot of silly timings or just by getting unlucky with your scouting. Then that's a problem with the game sadly =( The word bonjwa doesn't really fit in this game at this moment. I hate that word anyway. I prefer to call mvp the king! Personally though I don't think we've seen all there is to sc2 yet. No one has played the game perfectly yet. At least I hope not O_O
Again I agree with you rysecake, and am also hopeful that there is still innovation to be made. It just seems like even ignoring HotS there is so much more that could be done with WoL.
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Its obvious and undeniable.
Mvp is the greatest WoL/GSL player and will continue to hold that record for all of SC2.
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On October 11 2012 03:29 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 02:57 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 02:54 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king! ??? This makes no sense. You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid. Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa. Yes I want him to retire and get surgery before he permanently damages his body. He's already cemented his legacy as the first sc2 great. If he continues on, he'll eventually get worn out and retire anyway. Rather he do it gracefully on his own terms before it's too late. And your description is wrong. The problem doesn't have to do with having less games in bw. There have simply been no players yet with that "unstoppable aura". Mvp is without a doubt the best sc2 palyer so far in history. But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. None of them did. He's kinda in that sense an "anti-bonjwa". We don't go into every game and go yep mvps gonna kill him 100% no doubt. We doubt him, but he delivers. I'm assuming you didn't follow bw in which there were people who were favorites for every single game they palyed for a year. It's so strange with mvp because we always doubt him and think he's gonna lose, but he just keeps fucking winning somehow lol I followed BW a bit, and there won't be those kinds of players in Sc2 I don't think, if you play Sc2 perfectly you can still lose to a lot of silly timings or just by getting unlucky with your scouting.
It's not that SC2 is a worse game but that SC2 was too similar to BW. When BW players originally switched to SC2 at the beginning of its timespan, they pushed the game so far and so quickly that we've already hit the endpoint.
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On October 11 2012 04:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 03:29 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:57 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 02:54 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king! ??? This makes no sense. You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid. Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa. Yes I want him to retire and get surgery before he permanently damages his body. He's already cemented his legacy as the first sc2 great. If he continues on, he'll eventually get worn out and retire anyway. Rather he do it gracefully on his own terms before it's too late. And your description is wrong. The problem doesn't have to do with having less games in bw. There have simply been no players yet with that "unstoppable aura". Mvp is without a doubt the best sc2 palyer so far in history. But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. None of them did. He's kinda in that sense an "anti-bonjwa". We don't go into every game and go yep mvps gonna kill him 100% no doubt. We doubt him, but he delivers. I'm assuming you didn't follow bw in which there were people who were favorites for every single game they palyed for a year. It's so strange with mvp because we always doubt him and think he's gonna lose, but he just keeps fucking winning somehow lol I followed BW a bit, and there won't be those kinds of players in Sc2 I don't think, if you play Sc2 perfectly you can still lose to a lot of silly timings or just by getting unlucky with your scouting. It's not that SC2 is a worse game but that SC2 was too similar to BW. When BW players originally switched to SC2 at the beginning of its timespan, they pushed the game so far and so quickly that we've already hit the endpoint.
I think it's silly to say we've hit an end point. Especially when there still two more expansions to go, which hopefully will make the game a lot deeper.
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But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him.
Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out.
Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion.
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On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion.
Credit where credit is due, MVP didn't make up the banshee heavy style of TvZ. It had been around for a while, he just popularised it.
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On October 11 2012 04:17 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. Credit where credit is due, MVP didn't make up the banshee heavy style of TvZ. It had been around for a while, he just popularised it.
I had never seen it before IEM, and the casters seemed to think it was a new shift in the metagame. I don't really watch much SC2 other than MVP and Moon so who knows.
Perhaps it was the refinement on the build that brought it to prominence?
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On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion.
This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain.
Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means.
Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine
edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol
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On October 11 2012 04:20 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 04:17 kollin wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. Credit where credit is due, MVP didn't make up the banshee heavy style of TvZ. It had been around for a while, he just popularised it. I had never seen it before IEM, and the casters seemed to think it was a new shift in the metagame. I don't really watch much SC2 other than MVP and Moon so who knows. Perhaps it was the refinement on the build that brought it to prominence?
MVP without a doubt started the first heavy usage of the double armoury style, but I remember multiple interviews with Korean Terrans (not sure if MVP was one of them) stating that that style had been around for a while. Maybe it's why it did so well specifically in that tournament, because the European and American Zergs hadn't played at a high enough level on the KR ladder to face it all that much.
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On October 11 2012 04:12 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 04:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:On October 11 2012 03:29 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:57 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 02:54 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 02:46 rysecake wrote:On October 10 2012 20:06 xAriA wrote:
IMO, if MVP wins this GSL, he WILL be the most accomplished player of WoL and in my book the first SC2 Bonjwa. His results just don't lie. He already is the best player in his generation of sc2. Bonjwa is a little misused here and let me explain. Historically all bonjwas have had an aura of invincibility, like for a year every game they're in you basically go "welp, why am i watching this he's gonna win anyway". Mvp doesn't have that aura, instead he's bet against every game and then somehow wins. He's like the exact opposite of a bonjwa lol. I hope he retires after winning his 5th gsl and cements himself as the first great in sc2. All hail the king! ??? This makes no sense. You want him to retire after winning when he could win again? That's stupid. Also there won't be anything like a BW bonjwa in Sc2 because of the amount of games the players have to play, BW just had the OSL, MSL and WCG, players had weeks without playing a single game, and it was much more focused on mechanics than metagames and strategy. Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa. Yes I want him to retire and get surgery before he permanently damages his body. He's already cemented his legacy as the first sc2 great. If he continues on, he'll eventually get worn out and retire anyway. Rather he do it gracefully on his own terms before it's too late. And your description is wrong. The problem doesn't have to do with having less games in bw. There have simply been no players yet with that "unstoppable aura". Mvp is without a doubt the best sc2 palyer so far in history. But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. None of them did. He's kinda in that sense an "anti-bonjwa". We don't go into every game and go yep mvps gonna kill him 100% no doubt. We doubt him, but he delivers. I'm assuming you didn't follow bw in which there were people who were favorites for every single game they palyed for a year. It's so strange with mvp because we always doubt him and think he's gonna lose, but he just keeps fucking winning somehow lol I followed BW a bit, and there won't be those kinds of players in Sc2 I don't think, if you play Sc2 perfectly you can still lose to a lot of silly timings or just by getting unlucky with your scouting. It's not that SC2 is a worse game but that SC2 was too similar to BW. When BW players originally switched to SC2 at the beginning of its timespan, they pushed the game so far and so quickly that we've already hit the endpoint. I think it's silly to say we've hit an end point. Especially when there still two more expansions to go, which hopefully will make the game a lot deeper.
That just proves my point. Those expansions will add new units to the game, which makes it a different game than WoL. Even then SC2 will not be reset in terms of general strategies.
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On October 11 2012 04:20 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 04:17 kollin wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. Credit where credit is due, MVP didn't make up the banshee heavy style of TvZ. It had been around for a while, he just popularised it. I had never seen it before IEM, and the casters seemed to think it was a new shift in the metagame. I don't really watch much SC2 other than MVP and Moon so who knows. Perhaps it was the refinement on the build that brought it to prominence?
The first time I ever saw the double armory build was when Mvp's teammate Happy used it against Dongraegu on Dual Sight. That was a looooooong time ago.
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