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wasabay
Korea (South)179 Posts
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Entirety
1423 Posts
Don't you think Mvp has already done that? Most likely, he will continue playing until he literally cannot play anymore, falling out of Code S and Code A, bombing out of every foreign tournament, etc. At that point, he will retire and seek professional treatment options. (Given that he's an amazing person, he'll probably never leave IM. He might coach the other players or support them.) If his treatment is very successful (and don't expect it to be fixed in 2-3 months, it will take a long time to recover if he plays until his condition deteriorates even further), he might return to the scene. He has talent, so I would imagine him being able to regain some of his lost skill. Whether or not he'll ever reach the top is debatable and left to be seen. Mvp is making a choice here. A) Get treatment now, it's extremely possible that he will never be able to return to StarCraft 2. His career ends right now. B) Continue playing, making his condition progressively worse. He will be able to compete at a high level for some period of time until he is FORCED to stop playing. His treatment will be worse because his condition is worse, and he may never be able to return to StarCraft 2. The good side is that he will leave with no regrets. You have to admit that making such a choice takes balls. In essence, Mvp might be sacrificing some of his health on purpose in order to show his fans, to show us, his glory, his determination, the best possible games so he can hold his head up high. Perhaps this GSL will be "it" - if he wins his one, he might retire altogether. To me, that would be saddening yet joyous - more joyous than saddening because at this point, I have come to care about Mvp more than I care about StarCraft 2. The brightest stars burn out fastest. | ||
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Account252508
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431¤tpage=106#2114 Please sign me up now! | ||
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JohnAdams
United States111 Posts
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Entirety
1423 Posts
Mvp TvP Lifetime: 59.02% TvP 2012: 53.57% TvP (Last 10 Games): 30% Rain PvT Lifetime: 80% PvT (Last 10 Games): 70% Head to Head Record: 0-0 + Show Spoiler [The Mvp Advantage] + 1st GSL January 2011 1st GSL World Championship 1st GSL August 2011 1st GSL Season 2 2012 2nd GSL October 2011 1st MLG Anaheim 2011 1st BlizzCon 2011 1st WCG Korea 2011 1st WCG 2011 1st IEM Cologne 1st Arena of Legends: Team Ace Invitational 1st Gainward SC2 Tournament 1st MLG Global Invitational Korea 2nd GeForce Pro/Am 3rd/4th Blizzard Cup 3rd/4th GSL November 2011 3rd/4th MLG Global Invitational 3rd/4th GSL Season 4 2012 4th MLG Providence From the Round of 8 and above in the GSL, Mvp sports a 55-23 record, a win percentage of 70.51%. Now, if you look at this, the statistics are even more favored for his opponent than his match against Symbol. In fact, looking at the statistics, Mvp doesn't have a sliver of hope. Now, enough with the statistics... after all, Mvp just proved how useless they are just a few days ago with his utter dismantling of Symbol. Never doubt Mvp. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
Also please get your treatment after this GSL whether you win or lose T_T | ||
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Enearde
France265 Posts
On October 08 2012 12:52 Entirety wrote: Some statistics for the Round of 4: Mvp TvP Lifetime: 59.02% TvP 2012: 53.57% TvP (Last 10 Games): 30% Rain PvT Lifetime: 80% PvT (Last 10 Games): 70% Head to Head Record: 0-0 + Show Spoiler [The Mvp Advantage] + 1st GSL January 2011 1st GSL World Championship 1st GSL August 2011 1st GSL Season 2 2012 2nd GSL October 2011 1st MLG Anaheim 2011 1st BlizzCon 2011 1st WCG Korea 2011 1st WCG 2011 1st IEM Cologne 1st Arena of Legends: Team Ace Invitational 1st Gainward SC2 Tournament 1st MLG Global Invitational Korea 2nd GeForce Pro/Am 3rd/4th Blizzard Cup 3rd/4th GSL November 2011 3rd/4th MLG Global Invitational 3rd/4th GSL Season 4 2012 4th MLG Providence From the Round of 8 and above in the GSL, Mvp sports a 55-23 record, a win percentage of 70.51%. Now, if you look at this, the statistics are even more favored for his opponent than his match against Symbol. In fact, looking at the statistics, Mvp doesn't have a sliver of hope. Now, enough with the statistics... after all, Mvp just proved how useless they are just a few days ago with his utter dismantling of Symbol. Never doubt Mvp. MVP doesn't care about statistics, it's just a way for him to make more money. He looks like weak, then he bets on himself and win millions! | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 08 2012 02:43 Entirety wrote: I think it would be pretentious to research his condition, find treatment options, estimate cost/time of recovery, etc. Don't you think Mvp has already done that? Most likely, he will continue playing until he literally cannot play anymore, falling out of Code S and Code A, bombing out of every foreign tournament, etc. At that point, he will retire and seek professional treatment options. (Given that he's an amazing person, he'll probably never leave IM. He might coach the other players or support them.) If his treatment is very successful (and don't expect it to be fixed in 2-3 months, it will take a long time to recover if he plays until his condition deteriorates even further), he might return to the scene. He has talent, so I would imagine him being able to regain some of his lost skill. Whether or not he'll ever reach the top is debatable and left to be seen. Mvp is making a choice here. A) Get treatment now, it's extremely possible that he will never be able to return to StarCraft 2. His career ends right now. B) Continue playing, making his condition progressively worse. He will be able to compete at a high level for some period of time until he is FORCED to stop playing. His treatment will be worse because his condition is worse, and he may never be able to return to StarCraft 2. The good side is that he will leave with no regrets. You have to admit that making such a choice takes balls. In essence, Mvp might be sacrificing some of his health on purpose in order to show his fans, to show us, his glory, his determination, the best possible games so he can hold his head up high. Perhaps this GSL will be "it" - if he wins his one, he might retire altogether. To me, that would be saddening yet joyous - more joyous than saddening because at this point, I have come to care about Mvp more than I care about StarCraft 2. The brightest stars burn out fastest. Agreed. I think Mvp has considered all the options. A lot of people seemed think that he can take long periods off and come back. And even if he comes back slightly worse than his most dominate form, he will be ok. But the reality is, the earnings for pros is very top heavy. We look at players like Mvp, MC, Stephano, etc and feel they are making a good living (which they definitely are). But say Mvp comes back and is the 30th ranked player (which is still good considering there are like 150-200 players on Kespa/eSF teams). But do you know the earnings of the 30th rank korean? It is actually LosirA with $32,940. If you divide that by 2 years or so of sc2, it works out to something like $1,400 a month. Also, another thing we do not know is whether continue playing now actually 'worsens' the injury. It seems like the problem itself is not really caused by pro long gaming but rather a condition Mvp has (or born with). So even though he will feel pain when he plays, it might not worsen it. Athletes in many sports face this issue. There are some injuries that will get worse if they continue playing the rest of the season so the player stops playing and gets treatment right away. There are other injuries that will cause pain but it doesn't really get 'worse' by playing. Most players will continue to play through the pain and seek treatment in the off season. So without knowing the specifics, I think we should trust and support Mvp's decision. | ||
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VegetarianPeaceLove
33 Posts
What the hell is MVP in top form from this version? Lol. All I can say, that out of any other play in the world, the last player you want to show a game too, is mvp. Which Rain is doing one day before gsl in osl vs ;Last. I mean MVP is almost fuelded and soley drives on how to win against such and such and playin a bo3 or w/e it is against his race. Lol,/ Gives Mvp a lot of extra information. And imo, reguardless of the outcome or what peopke expect. Since two seasons ago, Mvp has been in a chronological path of doubt. I dont have time to count but you have naniwa, who was tight, then parting, who had best pvt in world. Then a finals vs the god squirtle. He takes a foreign tourney. He goes up against symbol! Yes symbol, and now rain. It's really just a matter of how far alon gthis ladder he can go down, and rain, is almost the logical conclusion. I have no idea what's going to happen, mvp get''s crushed. Rain gets crushed or either one oh them win through a tight series. I really expect it all. All I know, is that wiht Rain's style, we're going to have to see some "MVP!!" combinations of strategical moves to win him this series. And I think of all players MVP has the most of those in his belt. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
He has beaten really good TvP players, yes, but he has lost to Happy. The sample size is still too small to say anything about Rain in particular. His games versus Last will expose his weaknesses and they will definitely help Mvp out. Mvp is the god of preparation, after all. On the other hand, only ONE player has succeeded in out-preparing Mvp: MMA + the entire SlayerS team (which used to be the most Terran-heavy team in the world, + BoxeR). | ||
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Tauscond
United States181 Posts
This season, I think Rain and Taeja are in similar situations. People are talking about them as the best players. But when this season ends, their "dominance" end. Everyone here knows what's gonna happen :D. Mvp's gonna destroy Rain in the semi and ruin Taeja in the final :D | ||
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Tauscond
United States181 Posts
On October 08 2012 15:57 Entirety wrote: That's a very good point. Honestly, everyone is saying that Rain's PvT is out of this world... but in my eyes, it's largely... untested. He has beaten really good TvP players, yes, but he has lost to Happy. The sample size is still too small to say anything about Rain in particular. His games versus Last will expose his weaknesses and they will definitely help Mvp out. Mvp is the god of preparation, after all. On the other hand, only ONE player has succeeded in out-preparing Mvp: MMA + the entire SlayerS team (which used to be the most Terran-heavy team in the world, + BoxeR). Agree. MMA+Ganzi+Boxer + the coach (I dont remember the name) --> super cheesy strategies. | ||
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InoyouS2
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
On October 08 2012 15:57 Entirety wrote: That's a very good point. Honestly, everyone is saying that Rain's PvT is out of this world... but in my eyes, it's largely... untested. He has beaten really good TvP players, yes, but he has lost to Happy. The sample size is still too small to say anything about Rain in particular. His games versus Last will expose his weaknesses and they will definitely help Mvp out. Mvp is the god of preparation, after all. On the other hand, only ONE player has succeeded in out-preparing Mvp: MMA + the entire SlayerS team (which used to be the most Terran-heavy team in the world, + BoxeR). Mvp wasn't as prepared for that finals as he could have been, he had been playing all day, while NesTea was sleeping he was playing against MMA. To be honest all it showcased at the time was how bad events with 2+ tournaments running at the same time are for the the players involved. Not to take anything away from MMA, he's a great player, and he was a thorn in Mvp's side for the longest time, but somehow I think if Mvp had not played in the Battle.net tournament he would have beaten MMA in the finals. Although come to think of it, even if he did win in the finals of the GSL he would have come out with substantially less money than he did with BlizzCon. | ||
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Tauscond
United States181 Posts
On October 08 2012 16:15 InoyouS2 wrote: Mvp wasn't as prepared for that finals as he could have been, he had been playing all day, while NesTea was sleeping he was playing against MMA. To be honest all it showcased at the time was how bad events with 2+ tournaments running at the same time are for the the players involved. Not to take anything away from MMA, he's a great player, and he was a thorn in Mvp's side for the longest time, but somehow I think if Mvp had not played in the Battle.net tournament he would have beaten MMA in the finals. Although come to think of it, even if he did win in the finals of the GSL he would have come out with substantially less money than he did with BlizzCon. You should consider the Blizzard semifinal as well. | ||
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kahuynon712
66 Posts
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On October 08 2012 16:15 InoyouS2 wrote: Mvp wasn't as prepared for that finals as he could have been, he had been playing all day, while NesTea was sleeping he was playing against MMA. To be honest all it showcased at the time was how bad events with 2+ tournaments running at the same time are for the the players involved. Not to take anything away from MMA, he's a great player, and he was a thorn in Mvp's side for the longest time, but somehow I think if Mvp had not played in the Battle.net tournament he would have beaten MMA in the finals. Although come to think of it, even if he did win in the finals of the GSL he would have come out with substantially less money than he did with BlizzCon. True, but he did lose to MMA in the Blizzard Cup. Granted, at that time, Mvp had pretty much no rest, just straight back-to-back tournament playing, winning everything, winning so much that Polt and MMA got a chance to enter Blizzard Cup. Then Mvp said "Oh I'm a little tired but don't worry" | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
On October 08 2012 16:43 Tauscond wrote: You should consider the Blizzard semifinal as well. Did you actually watch it though? Every game was a cheese or a B/O win. | ||
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ColtraneL
France248 Posts
On October 08 2012 18:43 InoyouS2 wrote: Did you actually watch it though? Every game was a cheese or a B/O win. And I remember that he played the WCG finals in Busan like two days (maybe one?) before the first day of Blizzard Cup, his first three days of Blizzard Cup (group stage, RO6 and RO4) being played in 4 days if I'm not wrong. He had no rest, and more important, he had no preparation. Still, I don't know if he would have beaten MMA, but it matters anyway. Regarding Rain, I completely agree with Entirety. Rain is simply untested, I don't know why people are all that crazy with him. He displayed incredibly good play in three series, losing in one. Mvp has a very different style from all those players and from Taeja indeed. I don't know, Rain sure is good but Mvp is not going to be the same kind of opposition than the others, it could very well crush him. Now Mvp said he was confident during the last round interview, so I am as well. GL Mvp ! | ||
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