EPTIts still Mvp 2012. The year is not over.
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Its still Mvp 2012. The year is not over. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On October 08 2012 02:43 Entirety wrote: I think it would be pretentious to research his condition, find treatment options, estimate cost/time of recovery, etc. Don't you think Mvp has already done that? Most likely, he will continue playing until he literally cannot play anymore, falling out of Code S and Code A, bombing out of every foreign tournament, etc. At that point, he will retire and seek professional treatment options. (Given that he's an amazing person, he'll probably never leave IM. He might coach the other players or support them.) If his treatment is very successful (and don't expect it to be fixed in 2-3 months, it will take a long time to recover if he plays until his condition deteriorates even further), he might return to the scene. He has talent, so I would imagine him being able to regain some of his lost skill. Whether or not he'll ever reach the top is debatable and left to be seen. Mvp is making a choice here. A) Get treatment now, it's extremely possible that he will never be able to return to StarCraft 2. His career ends right now. B) Continue playing, making his condition progressively worse. He will be able to compete at a high level for some period of time until he is FORCED to stop playing. His treatment will be worse because his condition is worse, and he may never be able to return to StarCraft 2. The good side is that he will leave with no regrets. You have to admit that making such a choice takes balls. In essence, Mvp might be sacrificing some of his health on purpose in order to show his fans, to show us, his glory, his determination, the best possible games so he can hold his head up high. Perhaps this GSL will be "it" - if he wins his one, he might retire altogether. To me, that would be saddening yet joyous - more joyous than saddening because at this point, I have come to care about Mvp more than I care about StarCraft 2. The brightest stars burn out fastest. Until he loses all the money he won in paying for treatments . | ||
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ColtraneL
France248 Posts
On October 09 2012 01:05 Shakattak wrote: Until he loses all the money he won in paying for treatments . You don't know shit about Mvp's situation so why don't you let him figure out alone what he has to do? I find it really exhausting that a lot of Mvp's fan consider themselves more intelligent than him and want to take decisions for him, when he is obviously followed by doctors (who can certainly forbid him to play an official game if it is necessary) and by his coach who seems to care about his players for more than just money. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 09 2012 01:05 Shakattak wrote: Until he loses all the money he won in paying for treatments . Why are we assuming that his condition will worsen if he keeps playing? His condition is spine related and not caused by prolong gaming. It hurts when he does play and limits his practice. But nothing Mvp has said indicates that his spines will get 'worse' if he keeps playing. | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
EDIT: Nvm, forgot that TaeJa recently won Dreamhack Valencia. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
Mvp can make his own decisions, and our job as fans is simply to support him no matter what path he takes. In other news, Rain is going down. Soon... | ||
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proofy
Canada283 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On October 09 2012 06:39 InoyouS2 wrote: If Mvp gets another win this GSL he may very well have won the most premier tournaments in 2012. EDIT: Nvm, forgot that TaeJa recently won Dreamhack Valencia. I'd still say winning 2 GSL's in one year qualifies him as the top premier winner. Nothing anybody else would do could possibly compare, unless DRG makes a tremendous comeback to take down MLG + Blizzard Cup. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
In the Ro32 and Ro16, he plays decently but not his best, conserving his energy, saving his wrist. He relaxes and even if he drops out in the Ro16, he considers it a break between seasons, slowly gathering his energy, slowly preparing... Then he gets through to the Ro8. And he pounces. Like a leopard leaping on its poor, hapless prey, Mvp takes his conserved energy and allows a tiny fraction of it to leak out. Yes, a tiny fraction. The result? Naniwa gets dismantled, Symbol gets utterly mauled, but Mvp still has lots of energy saved up. Early exits from OSL, GSL Season 3, WCG, and forfeiting WCS? (Granted, he took a minor detour, crushing face at IEM). You see, those early exits were planned... he didn't want the victory, he wanted to save his strength. He played the games to stay in practice... So... it seems that Mvp has decided that now is the time. When he decides it's time, it's time. Time for Mvp to wreck Rain so hard that Rain falls into a loooong slump. His famous words from Season 2: Everything goes his way, because winners win. Mvp is a winner and things have been going his way this season. Mvp 3 - 0 Rain | ||
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
On October 09 2012 06:39 InoyouS2 wrote: If Mvp gets another win this GSL he may very well have won the most premier tournaments in 2012. EDIT: Nvm, forgot that TaeJa recently won Dreamhack Valencia. however, if he does win... he has won 2x GSL this year, and one of them being the toughest ever  | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
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Torra
Norway469 Posts
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VegetarianPeaceLove
33 Posts
So on paper , who are the players of the year. Im gona combine 2010 with 2011 because the winners in the last half of 2010 are mc,mvp and nestea, who all go on to win. So 2011 Mvp 3 GSL Gold: 3 GSL Silver:1 Blizzard Cup:Gold MLG;GOLD WCG KOREA:GOLD Nestea:GSL Gold:3 Blizzard Cup Silver: 1 MC: GSL Gold:2 Many foreign tourneys. Then it trickles down. But those are the two heavy hitters. Now 2012. Correct me if Im wrong but when the year ends, it will be these people looked upon, because on paper they had a good year. MVP:GSL Gold:1 Dreamhack Gold:1 Dongraegu(my personal opinion have had the best...so far) MLG GOLD:3 MLG SILVER:2 GSL GOLD:1 STEPHANO (I'm sorry, dont know all) NASL GOLD;1 WCS EURPOE GOLD:1 REDBULL LAN:4TH? MLG GOLD:1? Many 3rd and 4th places at mlg's. And god knows how many foreign toruneys. Taeja, MC, and mkp who all took a lot of foreign toruneys. My personal opinion, is that DRG,MVP,TAJAE & Stephano are the top dogs right now. If mvp get's his gsl he passes drg imo, but if DRG get's his O.S.L i think he'll take back his lead. If taeja get's the gsl, then he passes mvp for this year because he has more foreign toruney wins. People forget, when you think of the term Bonjwa, drg came closest to the defintion. Where, when ever and where ever he showed up, he would crush any one and every one, every time, and he did that consistently and consequitvley. And if Rain takes a gsl and an osl, then we can all go fuck ourselves to hell. EDIT: While Im hear I think I should mention this. 2012 MKP 2012: MLG GOLD:2 MLG SILVER:3 WCG SILVER:1 Danmlol | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
On October 09 2012 17:16 VegetarianPeaceLove wrote: Im so curious to see mvp's path. The thing about a bonjwa is the flow. In sc1 it was consistent wins. In sc2 it's in increments but on paper looks danm good. So on paper , who are the players of the year. Im gona combine 2010 with 2011 because the winners in the last half of 2010 are mc,mvp and nestea, who all go on to win. So 2011 Mvp 3 GSL Gold: 3 GSL Silver:1 Blizzard Cup:Gold MLG;GOLD WCG KOREA:GOLD Nestea:GSL Gold:3 Blizzard Cup Silver: 1 MC: GSL Gold:2 Many foreign tourneys. Then it trickles down. But those are the two heavy hitters. Now 2012. Correct me if Im wrong but when the year ends, it will be these people looked upon, because on paper they had a good year. MVP:GSL Gold:1 Dreamhack Gold:1 Dongraegu(my personal opinion have had the best...so far) MLG GOLD:3 MLG SILVER:2 GSL GOLD:1 STEPHANO (I'm sorry, dont know all) NASL GOLD;1 WCS EURPOE GOLD:1 REDBULL LAN:4TH? MLG GOLD:1? Many 3rd and 4th places at mlg's. And god knows how many foreign toruneys. Taeja, MC, and mkp who all took a lot of foreign toruneys. My personal opinion, is that DRG,MVP,TAJAE & Stephano are the top dogs right now. If mvp get's his gsl he passes drg imo, but if DRG get's his O.S.L i think he'll take back his lead. If taeja get's the gsl, then he passes mvp for this year because he has more foreign toruney wins. People forget, when you think of the term Bonjwa, drg came closest to the defintion. Where, when ever and where ever he showed up, he would crush any one and every one, every time, and he did that consistently and consequitvley. And if Rain takes a gsl and an osl, then we can all go fuck ourselves to hell. EDIT: While Im hear I think I should mention this. 2012 MKP 2012: MLG GOLD:2 MLG SILVER:3 WCG SILVER:1 Danmlol DRG is nowhere near that level yet, if he hadn't slumped he may have gotten there if he remained dominant for 2-3 times the length of time. As it stands, Mvp reached the highest level of dominance ever seen in SC2 in 2011. Add to that his incredible number of trophies, and he can already be considered a bonjwa. | ||
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
The other players who were dominant 2 years ago, have either retired or gotten alot worse, the players who were good 1 year ago did eitehr not play 2 years ago, or have gotten worse and the players who are good now are either new or werent that good before. Except for Mvp who had strong results over his entire career in SC2 so far, afaik the defenition of a bonjwa is: Someone who dominated the scene over a period, where he were always a good bet to win a tournament. And im pretty sure there hasnt been a single tournament where Mvp attended and someone said "huh you think Mvp might win this tournament, you are crazy".. sure he hasnt always been the nr1 bet to win every tournament, but you could never count him out :p | ||
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VegetarianPeaceLove
33 Posts
I think MVP is the best player of sc2, by faaaaaarr. But on paper, we can see. For 2012 alone, as of now, in my opinion, drg took a gsl along with mvp. Mvp took one foreign tourney, Dongrae took 3 foreign tourneys and 2 snd place finsishes. So I hold drg with the best record of 2012, even though it's months back. If mvp takes this gsl, I think he'll trump drg, but if drg takes this osl, along with mvps gsl, I think they are pretty danm even, if not drg in lead. | ||
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fakgfdgfdh
79 Posts
On October 08 2012 12:52 Entirety wrote: Now, if you look at this, the statistics are even more favored for his opponent than his match against Symbol. In fact, looking at the statistics, Mvp doesn't have a sliver of hope. where does the statistics say that. also, thats not what statistics say | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
But even if you don't, DRG's performances have been very weak compared to mvps. For Season 2 mvp beat Naniwa, Parting and Squirtle, and at a time when Protoss was considered way ahead of terran. He followed this up by winning IEM where he beat zergs left and right at a time when Zerg was considered way ahead of terran. The difference between mvp and drg is that mvp is the guiding light of terran play. In contrast, drg doesn't win when the metagame shifts away from zerg. Mvp pulls the metagame towards terran instead. I don't know if he'll win gsl this season. But even if he doesn't we know he is the only one worthy of being called a bonjwa. Also I have to lol at anyone putting Taeja and Stephano in the same tier as mvp. They aren't even on the same ladder as mvp, much less the same level. | ||
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VegetarianPeaceLove
33 Posts
I'mj ust pointing out who is having a good year. I would say, from 2012 in a vaccum, that drg has the most impressive results. But in detailed context he isnt touching the ispirational path that mvp has lead. I don't think we're at an argument >< Im just saying , 2012 in a vaccum DRG: 1 GSL 3 MLG'S 2 SILVER MLG'S MVP: 1 GSL IEM | ||
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