On October 07 2012 02:25 Entirety wrote: Nowadays, PartinG doesn't seem like too stiff of a challenge to Mvp. However, let's go back in time, back a few months during GSL Code S Season 2 2012...
Mvp is looking incredibly shaky. He didn't have solid, convincing macro wins vs. Naniwa... Mvp basically relied on timing attacks/early game shenanigans. Sure, Mvp sent a message: "You're not going to beat me in the GSL." Still, it seemed like Mvp was on the verge of getting knocked out. His health condition was getting progressively worse and fans even feared that he simply did not have the ability to play a macro game anymore due to his health.
PartinG was known as The Terran Killer, perhaps the best Protoss in the world at this time. His PvT was considered nigh-unbeatable, and only ONE player had a reasonable shot of taking him down consistently in TvP: MarineKing. PartinG's PvP seemed decent and his PvZ fluctuated from shaky to solid, but his PvT really shone through.
Well, we know what happened then. How about now?
Mvp is looking stronger than he has in all of 2012. His victories over Symbol were very convincing macro games. This time, he truly looked like he outplayed Symbol through and through. Even given Mvp's recent weak TvZ and Symbol's amazing ZvT, Mvp dismantled Symbol 3-1. It didn't really look all that close, either.
Rain is a beast. His PvP seems ridiculously strong (3-1 PartinG, 3-0 HerO), his PvZ isn't as tested but he claims that PvZ is his best matchup, and his PvT is amazing. Period. He has crushed through Terran opponents to get here and rolled over the largest Terran threat to him right now: TaeJa. However, let's not forget how he lost to Happy...
People on the hype train say that Rain is unstoppable, that he's going to dominate this GSL and Rain is going to dominate Mvp.
Well, this GSL looks a lot better for Mvp than Season 2. Plus, it's Mvp - he'll plow through the best PvT in the world by a score of 3-1 again.
GSL Season 4 Mvp 3-1 Symbol Mvp 3-1 Rain Mvp 4-3 TaeJa/Life
Rain claimed in the latest interview PvZ is his worst matchup, not best Agree in everything else. Mvp will destroy Rain in the semi.
Hmm I think you're right. I must have been thinking about his Ro32 interview:
Do you feel a kind of greed to make a splash in this season's Code S?
I got the thought that I am still lacking in the PvT area. I am going to need a lot of luck regarding my brackets. I am the lone KeSPA player so I worry about who else I am going to face.
You get to participate in the Ro16 Group Nominations. Is there a specific player you would like to face?
I don't really have a player I want to face. I just want to face a Zerg player. It wouldn't be such a bad thing to face DRG again after facing him in the OSL. I just don't want to play any PvTs (laughs).
On October 07 2012 04:15 oneofthem wrote: there's no way mvp can 3-1 rain. it can be 3-2 mvp. rain's between-game adjustment is pretty strong.
Your not the first to doubt him.
If MVP wins this GSl then he's going to be the first "great" SC2 player.
I think he wanted to say the "first bonjwa in my heart" SC2 player
I do, I truly do.
In a way I think he really captures the heart of a bonjwa, the ability to win no matter what odds are against you. I mean MVP is just such a hero, I have so much respect and admiration of him.
On October 07 2012 04:15 oneofthem wrote: there's no way mvp can 3-1 rain. it can be 3-2 mvp. rain's between-game adjustment is pretty strong.
Your not the first to doubt him.
If MVP wins this GSl then he's going to be the first "great" SC2 player.
I think he wanted to say the "first bonjwa in my heart" SC2 player
I do, I truly do.
In a way I think he really captures the heart of a bonjwa, the ability to win no matter what odds are against you. I mean MVP is just such a hero, I have so much respect and admiration of him.
He is incredible as a player and as an inspiration. Despite being injured, he is so incredibly strong in all parts of the game, in every matchup. As a macro player, he is probably the best Terran has ever seen and his micro, positioning, decision making and game sense too, are incredible.
On October 06 2012 09:45 Luepert wrote: This run is honestly I think just as if not more amazing than his season 2 run up to the round of 4. Then he beat Naniwa in the round of 8 and now both times he's up against a super hyped newish protoss. The only reason people aren't freaking out as much is because he's just so good it's like expected of him now.
It's more that his play around the time of season 2 was pretty mediocre, even a lot of his games during the tournament weren't MVP-level games, he just straight up outsmarted his opponents in boX series. Even in the finals I'd say that he was the worse player (during those games) when it came to strictly SC skill, but the guy is stupid good in boX series.
Honestly, I think ro8/ro4/finals are often easier for MVP than group stages, even if his opponents are stronger in later rounds.
Been the best player ever since he tore apart ensare with his insane (at the time) double expand into mass expanding. Has anyone done more for the evolution of terran?
On October 06 2012 09:45 Luepert wrote: This run is honestly I think just as if not more amazing than his season 2 run up to the round of 4. Then he beat Naniwa in the round of 8 and now both times he's up against a super hyped newish protoss. The only reason people aren't freaking out as much is because he's just so good it's like expected of him now.
It's more that his play around the time of season 2 was pretty mediocre, even a lot of his games during the tournament weren't MVP-level games, he just straight up outsmarted his opponents in boX series. Even in the finals I'd say that he was the worse player (during those games) when it came to strictly SC skill, but the guy is stupid good in boX series.
Honestly, I think ro8/ro4/finals are often easier for MVP than group stages, even if his opponents are stronger in later rounds.
I feel like his play in the first three games of the finals against Squirtle was fantastic. It's just that he doesn't focus on the same stuff as other players. Have you ever seen another terran (or even any other race) scout as intensively as he did during this final. He pulled out a ton of great moves like dropping single marines in the main, do a runby with a unit at the perfect moment to scout anything important, he basically knew everything and I feel like it was the reason why he outsmarted Squirtle on those games so bad.
Maybe he is not the best overall at macroing or microing his units (still he is insane, sometimes doing incredible work with Banshee or Hellion, I remember when he was hands down the best terran in TvT he used to kill players only with one banshee harassing perfectly), but he tries to add a lot of other aspects in his game that we don't always see from other players. His building placement is perfect, he thinks of a lot of little moves like hiding SCVs to trick his opponent and that's what makes his play unique for me. Even when he is not at the very top of his game, he still has his trademark style of play which makes him interesting to watch for me.
Taeja may be the better player in mechanics and control but I don't see any of those things that made Mvp dominates late 2011 in him, that's why I trust Mvp to do really well in the end of the tournament.
On October 06 2012 09:45 Luepert wrote: This run is honestly I think just as if not more amazing than his season 2 run up to the round of 4. Then he beat Naniwa in the round of 8 and now both times he's up against a super hyped newish protoss. The only reason people aren't freaking out as much is because he's just so good it's like expected of him now.
It's more that his play around the time of season 2 was pretty mediocre, even a lot of his games during the tournament weren't MVP-level games, he just straight up outsmarted his opponents in boX series. Even in the finals I'd say that he was the worse player (during those games) when it came to strictly SC skill, but the guy is stupid good in boX series.
Honestly, I think ro8/ro4/finals are often easier for MVP than group stages, even if his opponents are stronger in later rounds.
I feel like his play in the first three games of the finals against Squirtle was fantastic. It's just that he doesn't focus on the same stuff as other players. Have you ever seen another terran (or even any other race) scout as intensively as he did during this final. He pulled out a ton of great moves like dropping single marines in the main, do a runby with a unit at the perfect moment to scout anything important, he basically knew everything and I feel like it was the reason why he outsmarted Squirtle on those games so bad.
Maybe he is not the best overall at macroing or microing his units (still he is insane, sometimes doing incredible work with Banshee or Hellion, I remember when he was hands down the best terran in TvT he used to kill players only with one banshee harassing perfectly), but he tries to add a lot of other aspects in his game that we don't always see from other players. His building placement is perfect, he thinks of a lot of little moves like hiding SCVs to trick his opponent and that's what makes his play unique for me. Even when he is not at the very top of his game, he still has his trademark style of play which makes him interesting to watch for me.
Taeja may be the better player in mechanics and control but I don't see any of those things that made Mvp dominates late 2011 in him, that's why I trust Mvp to do really well in the end of the tournament.
Go Mvp !
Reminds me of one MLG(I think) game where Mvp murdered MKP just by harrassing him with 2 Banshees at the same time. Was beautiful and funny to see.
On October 06 2012 09:45 Luepert wrote: This run is honestly I think just as if not more amazing than his season 2 run up to the round of 4. Then he beat Naniwa in the round of 8 and now both times he's up against a super hyped newish protoss. The only reason people aren't freaking out as much is because he's just so good it's like expected of him now.
It's more that his play around the time of season 2 was pretty mediocre, even a lot of his games during the tournament weren't MVP-level games, he just straight up outsmarted his opponents in boX series. Even in the finals I'd say that he was the worse player (during those games) when it came to strictly SC skill, but the guy is stupid good in boX series.
Honestly, I think ro8/ro4/finals are often easier for MVP than group stages, even if his opponents are stronger in later rounds.
I feel like his play in the first three games of the finals against Squirtle was fantastic. It's just that he doesn't focus on the same stuff as other players. Have you ever seen another terran (or even any other race) scout as intensively as he did during this final. He pulled out a ton of great moves like dropping single marines in the main, do a runby with a unit at the perfect moment to scout anything important, he basically knew everything and I feel like it was the reason why he outsmarted Squirtle on those games so bad.
Maybe he is not the best overall at macroing or microing his units (still he is insane, sometimes doing incredible work with Banshee or Hellion, I remember when he was hands down the best terran in TvT he used to kill players only with one banshee harassing perfectly), but he tries to add a lot of other aspects in his game that we don't always see from other players. His building placement is perfect, he thinks of a lot of little moves like hiding SCVs to trick his opponent and that's what makes his play unique for me. Even when he is not at the very top of his game, he still has his trademark style of play which makes him interesting to watch for me.
Taeja may be the better player in mechanics and control but I don't see any of those things that made Mvp dominates late 2011 in him, that's why I trust Mvp to do really well in the end of the tournament.
Go Mvp !
Reminds me of one MLG(I think) game where Mvp murdered MKP just by harrassing him with 2 Banshees at the same time. Was beautiful and funny to see.
On October 07 2012 08:11 kyllinghest wrote: Been the best player ever since he tore apart ensare with his insane (at the time) double expand into mass expanding. Has anyone done more for the evolution of terran?
I would say he is THE Macro Terran. At one time, he was known for his Reactor Hellion into 3OC solid, textbook macro style where he showcased classic Marine/Tank + drop aggression. Mvp does not play standard... Standard is defined by Mvp's play. Lategame BCs vs Squirtle, though it didn't change the metagame too much. Ghost usage revolutionized lategame TvZ... he singlehandedly got it nerfed. Lategame Raven usage TvZ for seeker missle... he singlehandedly prevented a Raven buff. Lategame BC switch in TvT which has now become standard (during mech vs mech standoffs) Sky Terran (versus Terran, Zerg, and Protoss) Marine/Tank vs Protoss... but that fell out of flavor. (That was around the time of his World Championship run) New mech TvZ incorporating Banshee play New double armory mech that focused on Thors to nullify Brood Lords Lategame Nuke harass vs Zerg Lategame Planetary Fortress usage
Do you guys remember Mvp's textbook TvZ on Antiga Shipyard? Open Reactor Hellion, deny creep + 3rd, go 3OC behind it, expand, build up Marine/Tank, slowly start dropping. If Mutas come, put up a few turrets and defend perfectly with Marines. If it gets to the lategame, put up Planetary Fortresses and go mass Ghost with snipe. Once Zerg has a BL army, make sure you drop like crazy + Nuke harass + move your army... the Mvp multitasking style. Mvp made it so OP that Blizzard had to nerf almost every portion of it.
On October 06 2012 09:45 Luepert wrote: This run is honestly I think just as if not more amazing than his season 2 run up to the round of 4. Then he beat Naniwa in the round of 8 and now both times he's up against a super hyped newish protoss. The only reason people aren't freaking out as much is because he's just so good it's like expected of him now.
It's more that his play around the time of season 2 was pretty mediocre, even a lot of his games during the tournament weren't MVP-level games, he just straight up outsmarted his opponents in boX series. Even in the finals I'd say that he was the worse player (during those games) when it came to strictly SC skill, but the guy is stupid good in boX series.
Honestly, I think ro8/ro4/finals are often easier for MVP than group stages, even if his opponents are stronger in later rounds.
If you understand him or his play, you should know his ID is Mvp, not MVP
On December 15 2011 14:43 Tauscond wrote: And MVP will win. MC's PvT is not good (as his PvZ).
On May 19 2012 20:44 Tauscond wrote: Don't be too surprised, guys. He is just MVP, the Most Valuable Player :D
On May 19 2012 19:37 Tauscond wrote: That is just not the way . He is MVP, the champion, man
On May 19 2012 18:28 Tauscond wrote: But seriously, the guy MVP is playing with is not Squirtle anymore :D
On May 19 2012 18:26 Tauscond wrote: Oh MVP, why are you so selfish? Let him win one game please! lol
On May 19 2012 18:02 Tauscond wrote: Oh my God, MVP is so OP :D
On April 13 2012 21:51 Tauscond wrote: DRG and MMA went down to code A. MVP will be the champion this season :D
On April 13 2012 21:50 Tauscond wrote: MVP is coming back !!!
On May 20 2012 18:02 Tauscond wrote: I don't think you understand those games:D These are your own opinion, I should have no comment. But then why "MVP is dead"? Why is that a problem you care about
On October 06 2012 09:45 Luepert wrote: This run is honestly I think just as if not more amazing than his season 2 run up to the round of 4. Then he beat Naniwa in the round of 8 and now both times he's up against a super hyped newish protoss. The only reason people aren't freaking out as much is because he's just so good it's like expected of him now.
It's more that his play around the time of season 2 was pretty mediocre, even a lot of his games during the tournament weren't MVP-level games, he just straight up outsmarted his opponents in boX series. Even in the finals I'd say that he was the worse player (during those games) when it came to strictly SC skill, but the guy is stupid good in boX series.
Honestly, I think ro8/ro4/finals are often easier for MVP than group stages, even if his opponents are stronger in later rounds.
If you understand him or his play, you should know his ID is Mvp, not MVP
His id has been shown as MVP, Mvp, IMMvp, IMMVP, LG-IM_Mvp among other things. If we want to get really semantic, we might as well refer to him as Jung Jong Hyun seunsu... it doesn't really matter, does it?
On October 07 2012 08:11 kyllinghest wrote: Been the best player ever since he tore apart ensare with his insane (at the time) double expand into mass expanding. Has anyone done more for the evolution of terran?
I would say he is THE Macro Terran. At one time, he was known for his Reactor Hellion into 3OC solid, textbook macro style where he showcased classic Marine/Tank + drop aggression. Mvp does not play standard... Standard is defined by Mvp's play. Lategame BCs vs Squirtle, though it didn't change the metagame too much. Ghost usage revolutionized lategame TvZ... he singlehandedly got it nerfed. Lategame Raven usage TvZ for seeker missle... he singlehandedly prevented a Raven buff. Lategame BC switch in TvT which has now become standard (during mech vs mech standoffs) Sky Terran (versus Terran, Zerg, and Protoss) Marine/Tank vs Protoss... but that fell out of flavor. (That was around the time of his World Championship run) New mech TvZ incorporating Banshee play New double armory mech that focused on Thors to nullify Brood Lords Lategame Nuke harass vs Zerg Lategame Planetary Fortress usage
Do you guys remember Mvp's textbook TvZ on Antiga Shipyard? Open Reactor Hellion, deny creep + 3rd, go 3OC behind it, expand, build up Marine/Tank, slowly start dropping. If Mutas come, put up a few turrets and defend perfectly with Marines. If it gets to the lategame, put up Planetary Fortresses and go mass Ghost with snipe. Once Zerg has a BL army, make sure you drop like crazy + Nuke harass + move your army... the Mvp multitasking style. Mvp made it so OP that Blizzard had to nerf almost every portion of it.
Memories! Yeah! I hope Mvp will be named the 1st Bonjwa. he is just too good and creative. He is the best ever!
On October 07 2012 12:15 Tauscond wrote: Just saying if he understand Mvp that much, he should have known the name. Didn't say "I understand Mvp" lol
To be fair there are plenty of examples of it being capitalized. These originating from his old brood war aka MVP[Name]. Some of these examples are the name on his stream:http://www.own3d.tv/IncredibleMiracle/live/249031 The name on his blizzcon check: + Show Spoiler +
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