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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
Fuck PvP. | ||
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LucHiaN
Romania21 Posts
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esaul17
Canada547 Posts
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
Also, curse you PvP. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
Just some stats about his slump forward eliminations. Supertounamnet RO64 Alica GSL July RO8 HongUn GSL August Terrans GSL Nov Terrans GSL 2012 s1 Genius Homestory Cup III Nani and HuK IEM Global Challenge Cologne Terran ESWC 2011 MaNa MLG Orlando.HuK MLG Providence 2011 Terran MLG Areana Parting then Terran MLG Columbus Nani Eliminated in tounaments by 8 Protoss and 5 Terrans Needs to parctice 8 hours a day PvP and 5 hours PvT  PvZ only DRG can beat him so whatever maybe an hour. | ||
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 26 2012 05:12 tdt wrote: MC always gets eliminated from tounaments in PvP going all the way back to Alica in Supertounamnet RO64. It's random but not that random, I'm starting to think he's bad at it. That's okay tho cuz I like Nani & HuK too. (who have eliminated him before as well) Just some stats about his slump forward eliminations. Supertounamnet RO64 Alica GSL July RO8 HongUn GSL August Terrans GSL Nov Terrans GSL 2012 s1 Genius Homestory Cup III Nani and HuK IEM Global Challenge Cologne Terran ESWC 2011 MaNa MLG Orlando.HuK MLG Providence 2011 Terran MLG Areana Parting then Terran MLG Columbus Nani Eliminated in tounaments by 8 Protoss and 5 Terrans Needs to parctice 8 hours a day PvP and 5 hours PvT PvZ only DRG can beat him so whatever maybe an hour. Nice stats man. As coinflippy as PvP is, I do indeed think that MC needs to practice it more - or at least needs to get some way of improving efficiently at it. His PvT has moments of looking poor, but his PvP seems worse. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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jkang
United States404 Posts
On March 26 2012 05:12 tdt wrote: I've always agreed that MC almost always gets knocked out of tourneys through PvP.MC always gets eliminated from tounaments in PvP going all the way back to Alica in Supertounamnet RO64. It's random but not that random, I'm starting to think he's bad at it. That's okay tho cuz I like Nani & HuK too. (who have eliminated him before as well) Just some stats about his slump forward eliminations. Supertounamnet RO64 Alica GSL July RO8 HongUn GSL August Terrans GSL Nov Terrans GSL 2012 s1 Genius Homestory Cup III Nani and HuK IEM Global Challenge Cologne Terran ESWC 2011 MaNa MLG Orlando.HuK MLG Providence 2011 Terran MLG Areana Parting then Terran MLG Columbus Nani Eliminated in tounaments by 8 Protoss and 5 Terrans Needs to parctice 8 hours a day PvP and 5 hours PvT PvZ only DRG can beat him so whatever maybe an hour. | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
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Aemilia
344 Posts
On March 26 2012 06:05 HolyArrow wrote: Yeah, PvP seems to be MC's Achille's Heel at this point. With Oz and HuK doing so well in it, there's definitely something they've got that MC just hasn't right now. Hopefully he can improve on that, it's always sad seeing players with stronger PvT and PvZ losing in a PvP. Huk's been knocked out of multiple tournaments via PvP (Dreamhack, NASL, MLG Providence). It's an extremely volatile matchup but I do think MC is worse at it than most of the other Protoss around his level. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
In simple words. his style in PvP is grossly outdated, I mean GROSSLY. It's almost as if he's completely given up on training for the matchup and he just relies on his micro to try and win, which is nice, but mirrors are always more about BO than anything. It's really sad, since he's really good at the other matchups but it's really scary whenever he has to face a fellow protoss. People seem to think since the matchup is so "coin-flippy" he just loses due to the alleged randomness of the matchup. Lies, he loses because he's way behind in the metagame, 6 months or maybe even a year behind. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
BL in that PvP, Im sure you will be back even stronger in PvP !!! MC Fighting!!!!!! xD | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 26 2012 11:29 mordk wrote: I've been saying MC is bad at PvP for the longest time, very few ever listen. Most MC fans seem to be deluded by his prior dominance in the matchup, but that was ages ago and ever since gateways and immortals got patched MC hasn't been able to keep up with the metagame. In simple words. his style in PvP is grossly outdated, I mean GROSSLY. It's almost as if he's completely given up on training for the matchup and he just relies on his micro to try and win, which is nice, but mirrors are always more about BO than anything. It's really sad, since he's really good at the other matchups but it's really scary whenever he has to face a fellow protoss. People seem to think since the matchup is so "coin-flippy" he just loses due to the alleged randomness of the matchup. Lies, he loses because he's way behind in the metagame, 6 months or maybe even a year behind. I agree that he's poorer in it than before, but it is DEFINITELY not because its outdated. He's one of the first really good Protoss to go Warp Prism/Immortal in PvP, and also consistently goes for expansions before his opponents. I think there is something that we - mere low-level spectators - can't appreciate about PvP that MC doesn't have a full understanding of yet. Sure, it doesn't account for ALL his losses, but it often seems like his opponent is just one step ahead in the understanding department. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:50 SeaSwift wrote: I agree that he's poorer in it than before, but it is DEFINITELY not because its outdated. He's one of the first really good Protoss to go Warp Prism/Immortal in PvP, and also consistently goes for expansions before his opponents. I think there is something that we - mere low-level spectators - can't appreciate about PvP that MC doesn't have a full understanding of yet. Sure, it doesn't account for ALL his losses, but it often seems like his opponent is just one step ahead in the understanding department. I had little time this weekend so I did not watch as much as others. The only Mc matches I watched was the MKP vs Mc ones. Both played well and generally Mc got outplayed but I was happy despite his losses. As long as it was not imba bull shits like 111 or some radiculous imba zerg maps, Mc is one of tosses will find out a solution to deal with the issue if time is given. For example, a few months ago, top zergs knew how to go fast 3rd bases and drone out to punish fast 2 bases toss play, Mc was the ones invested builds to couter zergs, such as 7gate blink, 4 gate zeals in to 7 gate dt expand and refined old 7 gates all in etc. In pvt, Mc was one of tosses first to go gateway units heavy. He also was one of ppl showing us how to punish terran fast 3 bases play. I think the reason why Mc looked inconsistent in pvt was you cannot deny that there are so many intelligent terran players in the community especially in Korea. And they are all watching Mc. Just like Idra once said, if you can beat Mc in a pvz, you have the ability of beating basically every single other toss. The same applies in pvt. And like MC said, terran is more imba. No matter what toss does, there is always a hard couter build available for terran. They are all watching Mc and Mc played a lot in his stream and tournaments. No matter what Mc comes out, it will get hard couter in no time. Despite all that, Mc have showed us, he is able to outplay basically everyone who defeated him before. It happened to polt, puma, mvp, drg and many other big names. He is still the toss champion. I find it a bit hard to describe what is happening to Mc's pvp, but it is acceptable. After all, Mc is not the flash in sc2 and if you looked at sc histroy, almost every single top toss had a relatively weak matchup. I wish Mc all the best and will always be a fan regardless win or loss. Let us cheer him up and wish him all the best in iron squid, IPL4 and GSL S2. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
MC to win IPL4, Iron Squid AND GSL! | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
On March 27 2012 04:46 Olinim wrote: MC 2-0 symbol now he secured advancement in Ironsquid. Still has to play MVP though. EZPZ. Did you forget which one of his victories prompted the murloc dance? Shame, Olinim. Shame. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On March 27 2012 05:37 Sphen5117 wrote: EZPZ. Did you forget which one of his victories prompted the murloc dance? Shame, Olinim. Shame. Later than tournament MVP 4-0'd him. MVP also beat him in a previous gsl group. But all in all, MVP is slumping hard and TvP is his worst match up I think MC should be able to take it. | ||
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