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On April 02 2012 12:38 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 06:31 double620 wrote:On March 27 2012 05:45 Luepert wrote:On March 27 2012 05:37 Sphen5117 wrote:On March 27 2012 04:46 Olinim wrote:
MC 2-0 symbol now he secured advancement in Ironsquid. Still has to play MVP though. EZPZ. Did you forget which one of his victories prompted the murloc dance? Shame, Olinim. Shame. Later than tournament MVP 4-0'd him. MVP also beat him in a previous gsl group. But all in all, MVP is slumping hard and TvP is his worst match up I think MC should be able to take it. You are saying tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss which is not true. If you look at the tvp record in gsl, you will find terran still have a over 50% winrate against toss ezpz. The matchup just looks more balanced than before and Mc showed he can beat mvp once the mu look balanced. A lot of games he lost to mvp was at the time Korean terran dominated tvp. Where exactly did I say Tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss? I just said 4 facts and an opinion. 1. MVP 4-0d MC at Providence 2. MVP beat MC in a gsl group stage 3. TvP is MVP's worst MU 4. MVP is slumping Opinion: I think MC will win I don't quite see where you got your conclusion from.
The first fact you put on here I have nothing to say because it was a fact.
Regard to the second one, you were right but there was nothing mvp could be pround of. First of all, at that time Mc was slumping + tvp at that time was clearly an imbalanced matchup if we are both honest here. MVP defeated Mc on Antiga in that gsl which was proved to be an imbalanced map too later. That Antiga with gold base + not only cross position allowed was a clearly terran favored map. Therefore, he did beat Mc with his skill + some imbalanced issues.
You said that mvp's worst mu is tvp which overall was correct. But lately Mvp kept losing to zergs and terrans so at the moment if tvp still is his worst mu? I am not too sure about it. At least, Mc was the only toss he lost to laterly while he was losing to multipul terrans and zergs. Keep that in mind, lately he kept getting knocked out by zergs and terrans, not toss.
The 4th you say is MVP is slumping which I agree. And I agree on your Mc will win opinion too.
Do not get me wrong. Mvp in my view is absolutely a great player. I hear that he is having some health issues and I wish mvp best luck and hope he can recover well.
But overall, I do believe Mc is the better player. He is the only one able to win a gsl as a toss. He is the one when toss is having a hard time and noone knows how to beat a zerg or a terran he will come out and show you what to do. He is playing a worse race than Mvp but still earned more than Mvp. He only slumped when toss was having an extreme hard time and tosses were getting knocked out from codeS one after one. If it was not game imbalance, he should have won a lot more. But even with game imbalance, he is still playing toss like a boss.
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You know, in every other place than this fan club, your post would get you a ban? It's not because you're a MC's fan (and i'm too) that you can say things like "the game is imbalance". It's a fact that Terran have problems beating Protoss late game those days. And it's an other fact that MVP's worst MU is TvP. Being in a slump doesn't change your best MU, it makes it worse at best.
I hope MC can play his best in his group! But i'm also a huge MVP fan so i hope he'll get better and that we'll see the most epic games between those two! Whoever will win, i'll be so happy and sad at the same time^^
MC fighting!
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On April 02 2012 19:08 Enearde wrote:
You know, in every other place than this fan club, your post would get you a ban? It's not because you're a MC's fan (and i'm too) that you can say things like "the game is imbalance". It's a fact that Terran have problems beating Protoss late game those days. And it's an other fact that MVP's worst MU is TvP. Being in a slump doesn't change your best MU, it makes it worse at best.
I hope MC can play his best in his group! But i'm also a huge MVP fan so i hope he'll get better and that we'll see the most epic games between those two! Whoever will win, i'll be so happy and sad at the same time^^
MC fighting!
I did not say the game is imbalanced. I said the game was imbalanced and it was a fact otherwise why did you need those patches to balance the game, why did gsl need to change maps season by season and why did terran always win gsls and for toss you only had Mc did it, why did they need to remove gold base and why did gsl have 20 terrans in codeS?
Also, it is a fact that terran have problems beating toss in late game while it was also true that terran has an advantage in early and mid game in both tvz and tvp? Overall, terrans still have roughly a 58% winrate over toss in gsl at the moment which shows me terran still has an advantage over toss in the tvp matchup in general.
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On April 02 2012 20:58 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 19:08 Enearde wrote:
You know, in every other place than this fan club, your post would get you a ban? It's not because you're a MC's fan (and i'm too) that you can say things like "the game is imbalance". It's a fact that Terran have problems beating Protoss late game those days. And it's an other fact that MVP's worst MU is TvP. Being in a slump doesn't change your best MU, it makes it worse at best.
I hope MC can play his best in his group! But i'm also a huge MVP fan so i hope he'll get better and that we'll see the most epic games between those two! Whoever will win, i'll be so happy and sad at the same time^^
MC fighting! I did not say the game is imbalanced. I said the game was imbalanced and it was a fact otherwise why did you need those patches to balance the game, why did gsl need to change maps season by season and why did terran always win gsls and for toss you only had Mc did it, why did they need to remove gold base and why did gsl have 20 terrans in codeS? Also, it is a fact that terran have problems beating toss in late game while it was also true that terran has an advantage in early and mid game in both tvz and tvp? Overall, terrans still have roughly a 58% winrate over toss in gsl at the moment which shows me terran still has an advantage over toss in the tvp matchup in general.
That's mostly due to metagame, not imbalance. Blizzard is patching the game to make adjustements. The game is mostly balanced, at least in a technical perspective. Terrans is the most represented race in GSL because there are lots of good terrans in Korea and not that many good protosses. The more you are to think about something, the most ideas you'll get and more brain power = better understanding. I don't know, it's a discussion that has been done before and you'll always have facts to say Terran is the best race and facts to say it's not. And i don't think having a debat on imbalance in sc2 in a fanclub is good. So i won't keep arguing here, however, i was just pointing that there is a lot of protosses in this GSL who advanced and a lot of Terrans who didn't so...i guess we all can take things the way we want. I think we should give more credits to the players. MC did a really great job winning two GSLs and Terrans like MVP didn't win because of imbalances, it's by sheer skill and with a lot of hard work. We shouldn't take away the credits from those players just because we don't like them/their race.
Anyway, MC is doing so great those day, i think he can win this GSL if he keeps it up and refine his PvP a little bit. I didn't see him play against zerg recently so i don't know.
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On April 02 2012 22:07 Enearde wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 20:58 double620 wrote:On April 02 2012 19:08 Enearde wrote:
You know, in every other place than this fan club, your post would get you a ban? It's not because you're a MC's fan (and i'm too) that you can say things like "the game is imbalance". It's a fact that Terran have problems beating Protoss late game those days. And it's an other fact that MVP's worst MU is TvP. Being in a slump doesn't change your best MU, it makes it worse at best.
I hope MC can play his best in his group! But i'm also a huge MVP fan so i hope he'll get better and that we'll see the most epic games between those two! Whoever will win, i'll be so happy and sad at the same time^^
MC fighting! I did not say the game is imbalanced. I said the game was imbalanced and it was a fact otherwise why did you need those patches to balance the game, why did gsl need to change maps season by season and why did terran always win gsls and for toss you only had Mc did it, why did they need to remove gold base and why did gsl have 20 terrans in codeS? Also, it is a fact that terran have problems beating toss in late game while it was also true that terran has an advantage in early and mid game in both tvz and tvp? Overall, terrans still have roughly a 58% winrate over toss in gsl at the moment which shows me terran still has an advantage over toss in the tvp matchup in general. That's mostly due to metagame, not imbalance. Blizzard is patching the game to make adjustements. The game is mostly balanced, at least in a technical perspective. Terrans is the most represented race in GSL because there are lots of good terrans in Korea and not that many good protosses. The more you are to think about something, the most ideas you'll get and more brain power = better understanding. I don't know, it's a discussion that has been done before and you'll always have facts to say Terran is the best race and facts to say it's not. And i don't think having a debat on imbalance in sc2 in a fanclub is good. So i won't keep arguing here, however, i was just pointing that there is a lot of protosses in this GSL who advanced and a lot of Terrans who didn't so...i guess we all can take things the way we want. I think we should give more credits to the players. MC did a really great job winning two GSLs and Terrans like MVP didn't win because of imbalances, it's by sheer skill and with a lot of hard work. We shouldn't take away the credits from those players just because we don't like them/their race. Anyway, MC is doing so great those day, i think he can win this GSL if he keeps it up and refine his PvP a little bit. I didn't see him play against zerg recently so i don't know.
I just said terran is having a 58% winrate in tvp and I did not say it was due to imbalance. But when you are having a winrate like that, there is no point for you to complain the matchup.
And you said that there are a lot of tosses advanced while terrans did not. Are you joking with me? There are 7 zergs, 8 tosses in codeS while there are 15 terrans in CodeS and you are telling me that toss is having a good time while terran is having a hard time. Plz look at the maps change in gsl. Gom this season is still removing terran favored maps and using some less terran favored maps to replace.
You are saying terran players are more intelligent than others. How can you prove that?
Can MVP and MMA win as much as Mc did if their main is toss? Who knows? Can you prove that?
And finally, I did not take away any credit from those terran players, especially Mvp. As I already said mvp is a great player. Unlike others, I am one of those ppl who believe that Mvp is a better terran player comparing to MKP, MMA and Polt. Personally, I have great respect to IM MVP.
Nonetheless, let me just give you some more facts to think about if you like.
Mc won 2 gsls. The first one he destroyed terran after terran and in the final he was facing a terran. In the 2nd gsl final he won, he was facing a zerg.
Now let us look at mvp, he won 3 gsls. And no exception, in every single gsl final he won, he was playing tvt. In fact, he in total was playing in gsl final four times and every single game he played in the gsl final was a tvt.
If you did not count Mc in, toss would have never won any gsl and only have won 2 maps in gsl final in total.
If you did not count Mc in, toss would have never won any main tournament in 2012 by far.
If you did not count Mvp in, terran would still have won a lot of gsls.
When Mc was slumping, the entire toss race looked hopeless. When Mvp was slumping, there are 15 terrans in gsl codes and terran players like mkp and mma are two of most favored players of all to win the whole thing.
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I don't think this belongs in MC's fanclub, guys :/
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On April 02 2012 15:18 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 12:38 Luepert wrote:On March 27 2012 06:31 double620 wrote:On March 27 2012 05:45 Luepert wrote:On March 27 2012 05:37 Sphen5117 wrote:On March 27 2012 04:46 Olinim wrote:
MC 2-0 symbol now he secured advancement in Ironsquid. Still has to play MVP though. EZPZ. Did you forget which one of his victories prompted the murloc dance? Shame, Olinim. Shame. Later than tournament MVP 4-0'd him. MVP also beat him in a previous gsl group. But all in all, MVP is slumping hard and TvP is his worst match up I think MC should be able to take it. You are saying tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss which is not true. If you look at the tvp record in gsl, you will find terran still have a over 50% winrate against toss ezpz. The matchup just looks more balanced than before and Mc showed he can beat mvp once the mu look balanced. A lot of games he lost to mvp was at the time Korean terran dominated tvp. Where exactly did I say Tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss? I just said 4 facts and an opinion. 1. MVP 4-0d MC at Providence 2. MVP beat MC in a gsl group stage 3. TvP is MVP's worst MU 4. MVP is slumping Opinion: I think MC will win I don't quite see where you got your conclusion from. The first fact you put on here I have nothing to say because it was a fact. Regard to the second one, you were right but there was nothing mvp could be pround of. First of all, at that time Mc was slumping + tvp at that time was clearly an imbalanced matchup if we are both honest here. MVP defeated Mc on Antiga in that gsl which was proved to be an imbalanced map too later. That Antiga with gold base + not only cross position allowed was a clearly terran favored map. Therefore, he did beat Mc with his skill + some imbalanced issues. You said that mvp's worst mu is tvp which overall was correct. But lately Mvp kept losing to zergs and terrans so at the moment if tvp still is his worst mu? I am not too sure about it. At least, Mc was the only toss he lost to laterly while he was losing to multipul terrans and zergs. Keep that in mind, lately he kept getting knocked out by zergs and terrans, not toss. The 4th you say is MVP is slumping which I agree. And I agree on your Mc will win opinion too. Do not get me wrong. Mvp in my view is absolutely a great player. I hear that he is having some health issues and I wish mvp best luck and hope he can recover well. But overall, I do believe Mc is the better player. He is the only one able to win a gsl as a toss. He is the one when toss is having a hard time and noone knows how to beat a zerg or a terran he will come out and show you what to do. He is playing a worse race than Mvp but still earned more than Mvp. He only slumped when toss was having an extreme hard time and tosses were getting knocked out from codeS one after one. If it was not game imbalance, he should have won a lot more. But even with game imbalance, he is still playing toss like a boss.
I agree with literally everything you just said.
My post was asking where the idea came from that I said "tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss."
I was accused of saying this. "You are saying tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss which is not true." And I' have no idea where that came from. No doubt MVP is a great terran and MC is a great protoss but my dispute is the fact that people are putting words in my mouth.
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On April 03 2012 09:14 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 15:18 double620 wrote:On April 02 2012 12:38 Luepert wrote:On March 27 2012 06:31 double620 wrote:On March 27 2012 05:45 Luepert wrote:On March 27 2012 05:37 Sphen5117 wrote:On March 27 2012 04:46 Olinim wrote:
MC 2-0 symbol now he secured advancement in Ironsquid. Still has to play MVP though. EZPZ. Did you forget which one of his victories prompted the murloc dance? Shame, Olinim. Shame. Later than tournament MVP 4-0'd him. MVP also beat him in a previous gsl group. But all in all, MVP is slumping hard and TvP is his worst match up I think MC should be able to take it. You are saying tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss which is not true. If you look at the tvp record in gsl, you will find terran still have a over 50% winrate against toss ezpz. The matchup just looks more balanced than before and Mc showed he can beat mvp once the mu look balanced. A lot of games he lost to mvp was at the time Korean terran dominated tvp. Where exactly did I say Tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss? I just said 4 facts and an opinion. 1. MVP 4-0d MC at Providence 2. MVP beat MC in a gsl group stage 3. TvP is MVP's worst MU 4. MVP is slumping Opinion: I think MC will win I don't quite see where you got your conclusion from. The first fact you put on here I have nothing to say because it was a fact. Regard to the second one, you were right but there was nothing mvp could be pround of. First of all, at that time Mc was slumping + tvp at that time was clearly an imbalanced matchup if we are both honest here. MVP defeated Mc on Antiga in that gsl which was proved to be an imbalanced map too later. That Antiga with gold base + not only cross position allowed was a clearly terran favored map. Therefore, he did beat Mc with his skill + some imbalanced issues. You said that mvp's worst mu is tvp which overall was correct. But lately Mvp kept losing to zergs and terrans so at the moment if tvp still is his worst mu? I am not too sure about it. At least, Mc was the only toss he lost to laterly while he was losing to multipul terrans and zergs. Keep that in mind, lately he kept getting knocked out by zergs and terrans, not toss. The 4th you say is MVP is slumping which I agree. And I agree on your Mc will win opinion too. Do not get me wrong. Mvp in my view is absolutely a great player. I hear that he is having some health issues and I wish mvp best luck and hope he can recover well. But overall, I do believe Mc is the better player. He is the only one able to win a gsl as a toss. He is the one when toss is having a hard time and noone knows how to beat a zerg or a terran he will come out and show you what to do. He is playing a worse race than Mvp but still earned more than Mvp. He only slumped when toss was having an extreme hard time and tosses were getting knocked out from codeS one after one. If it was not game imbalance, he should have won a lot more. But even with game imbalance, he is still playing toss like a boss. I agree with literally everything you just said. My post was asking where the idea came from that I said "tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss." I was accused of saying this. "You are saying tvp is hard for terran and easier for toss which is not true." And I' have no idea where that came from. No doubt MVP is a great terran and MC is a great protoss but my dispute is the fact that people are putting words in my mouth.
I probably have said too much.
Let us end this and be friendly to each other. After all, we are both fans of Mc.
I wish we can see a Mc vs MVP final in this GSL. Would love to see Mc back to the final where he belongs to and happy to watch MVP play well again.
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Just find out he will be playing in the fight club. Not sure if it is the right time to play a best of 9 against a top zerg.
I mean if he plays his best, it will be free cash for him. But considered that the professor Tea will be analysing his games....
T T...
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On April 03 2012 15:58 double620 wrote:
Just find out he will be playing in the fight club. Not sure if it is the right time to play a best of 9 against a top zerg.
I mean if he plays his best, it will be free cash for him. But considered that the professor Tea will be analysing his games....
T T...
I feel like MC is so analyzed at this point that analyzing him further doesn't really help. The guy just knows his timings, has great micro, strong macro to support it, and a great killer instinct to top everything off.
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Well, enough of the balance discussion.
MC is AWESOME and will roflstomp both Violet then Nestea! Woooooooo!
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dunno, violet has a ton of tricks in ZvP.
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On April 02 2012 12:28 Shaddar wrote:
Anyone know what mouse MC uses at the moment? Is it the Steelseries Kinzu?
He said what he used for keyboard/mouse/headset in his Off the Record episode on GOM. I think he uses Steelseries for keyboard and headset, but something else for mouse. Could be wrong. Sorry I'm not more helpful.
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Seriously can't wait for this fight club. I can never get enough of watching the boss toss!
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IPL FC for the BossToss! Devour vioLet!
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Is there a stream here in TL on IPL FC? If so where?
Sorry for double post...just wanna know...
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MC playing vs violet. doing well so far. gogo MC!
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GoGo MC, take the five in a row!
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