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Just looked at Mc's match history, and he has only ever lost 4 BO3 series to zergs
One was Losira, NesTea, one was Ret, and one was IdrA
Out of these games, I think all only one or two of them went 3 bases, after 3 bases MC always wins.
Losira did 2 all-in hydra/nydus and roach/ling attacks.
Ret did ling/roach into nydus worm inside MC's base
IdrA did roach/hydra drops before MC's third got saturated much on metal and 2 base on Xelnaga
Forgot what NesTea did
Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done
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On June 22 2011 06:03 Mailing wrote:
Just looked at Mc's match history, and he has only ever lost 4 BO3 series to zergs
One was Losira, NesTea, one was Ret, and one was IdrA
Out of these games, I think all only one or two of them went 3 bases, after 3 bases MC always wins.
Losira did 2 all-in hydra/nydus and roach/ling attacks.
Ret did ling/roach into nydus worm inside MC's base
IdrA did roach/hydra drops before MC's third got saturated much on metal and 2 base on Xelnaga
Forgot what NesTea did
Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done
The NesTea loss was in GSL Season 2, when MC wasn't even good. So pretty much just 3.
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70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution?
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On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution?
Naw, 1. There were some positioning issues, and not that great of an engagment
2. Some food was in drones
3. MC's army value was probably similar
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On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution?
IdrA had mostly roaches, which are 2 supply like stalkers, but cost 2x less.
His investment in hydra tech didn't pay off, he couldn't get them out in time
MC had +2 attack while Idra had +1
There is a solution, but it's not easy for IdrA to change his entire gameplan around this MU. Speedling/hydra/infestor rapes mass blink stalkers, it's not like it's unbeatable, you just need to react in time, and that's harder, depending on how the game goes and what is current metagame.
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On June 22 2011 09:05 Dariusz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution? IdrA had mostly roaches, which are 2 supply like stalkers, but cost 2x less. His investment in hydra tech didn't pay off, he couldn't get them out in time MC had +2 attack while Idra had +1 There is a solution, but it's not easy for IdrA to change his entire gameplan around this MU. Speedling/hydra/infestor rapes mass blink stalkers, it's not like it's unbeatable, you just need to react in time, and that's harder, depending on how the game goes and what is current metagame.
He has used ling/hydra/infestor against MC's mass blink stalker and still lost. You would think it would, as you say easily beat it but the micro capabilities of blink are close to limitless. Any battle your meant to lose can swing in your favor with clutch blinks.
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Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done
i dont think so unless he makes a mistake... but protoss on three bases is just really strong its zergs job to keep that third from getting saturated
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On June 22 2011 06:03 Mailing wrote:
Just looked at Mc's match history, and he has only ever lost 4 BO3 series to zergs
One was Losira, NesTea, one was Ret, and one was IdrA
Out of these games, I think all only one or two of them went 3 bases, after 3 bases MC always wins.
Losira did 2 all-in hydra/nydus and roach/ling attacks.
Ret did ling/roach into nydus worm inside MC's base
IdrA did roach/hydra drops before MC's third got saturated much on metal and 2 base on Xelnaga
Forgot what NesTea did
Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done
Naugrim beat MC in a 3 + base game, granted he did lose the series after.
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On June 22 2011 10:38 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 06:03 Mailing wrote:
Just looked at Mc's match history, and he has only ever lost 4 BO3 series to zergs
One was Losira, NesTea, one was Ret, and one was IdrA
Out of these games, I think all only one or two of them went 3 bases, after 3 bases MC always wins.
Losira did 2 all-in hydra/nydus and roach/ling attacks.
Ret did ling/roach into nydus worm inside MC's base
IdrA did roach/hydra drops before MC's third got saturated much on metal and 2 base on Xelnaga
Forgot what NesTea did
Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done Naugrim beat MC in a 3 + base game, granted he did lose the series after.
Was it with infestors or banelings?
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On June 22 2011 10:29 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 09:05 Dariusz wrote:On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution? IdrA had mostly roaches, which are 2 supply like stalkers, but cost 2x less. His investment in hydra tech didn't pay off, he couldn't get them out in time MC had +2 attack while Idra had +1 There is a solution, but it's not easy for IdrA to change his entire gameplan around this MU. Speedling/hydra/infestor rapes mass blink stalkers, it's not like it's unbeatable, you just need to react in time, and that's harder, depending on how the game goes and what is current metagame. He has used ling/hydra/infestor against MC's mass blink stalker and still lost. You would think it would, as you say easily beat it but the micro capabilities of blink are close to limitless. Any battle your meant to lose can swing in your favor with clutch blinks.
You are talking about the game from MLG when he lost to DT's + blink stalkers? He had no roaches to tank demage there, no detection and i don't remember infestors.
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On June 22 2011 10:38 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 06:03 Mailing wrote:
Just looked at Mc's match history, and he has only ever lost 4 BO3 series to zergs
One was Losira, NesTea, one was Ret, and one was IdrA
Out of these games, I think all only one or two of them went 3 bases, after 3 bases MC always wins.
Losira did 2 all-in hydra/nydus and roach/ling attacks.
Ret did ling/roach into nydus worm inside MC's base
IdrA did roach/hydra drops before MC's third got saturated much on metal and 2 base on Xelnaga
Forgot what NesTea did
Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done Naugrim beat MC in a 3 + base game, granted he did lose the series after.
MC made a big mistake, he did not scout Naugrim ninja expo in that game.
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On June 22 2011 11:03 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 10:38 Olinim wrote:On June 22 2011 06:03 Mailing wrote:
Just looked at Mc's match history, and he has only ever lost 4 BO3 series to zergs
One was Losira, NesTea, one was Ret, and one was IdrA
Out of these games, I think all only one or two of them went 3 bases, after 3 bases MC always wins.
Losira did 2 all-in hydra/nydus and roach/ling attacks.
Ret did ling/roach into nydus worm inside MC's base
IdrA did roach/hydra drops before MC's third got saturated much on metal and 2 base on Xelnaga
Forgot what NesTea did
Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done Naugrim beat MC in a 3 + base game, granted he did lose the series after. MC made a big mistake, he did not scout Naugrim ninja expo in that game.
I swear that in the title this is called the IdrA Fan Club. Not the zerg balance disscussion, or the MC fanclub.
I mean i know that most the people in this thread are fans of IdrA, but almost none of the posts talk about him or add anything about him. Most are about MC and protoss balance.
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On June 22 2011 10:29 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 09:05 Dariusz wrote:On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution? IdrA had mostly roaches, which are 2 supply like stalkers, but cost 2x less. His investment in hydra tech didn't pay off, he couldn't get them out in time MC had +2 attack while Idra had +1 There is a solution, but it's not easy for IdrA to change his entire gameplan around this MU. Speedling/hydra/infestor rapes mass blink stalkers, it's not like it's unbeatable, you just need to react in time, and that's harder, depending on how the game goes and what is current metagame. He has used ling/hydra/infestor against MC's mass blink stalker and still lost. You would think it would, as you say easily beat it but the micro capabilities of blink are close to limitless. Any battle your meant to lose can swing in your favor with clutch blinks.
nah, it swings a battle you were meant to barely win into a battle you seemingly dominate
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On June 22 2011 06:03 Mailing wrote:
Just looked at Mc's match history, and he has only ever lost 4 BO3 series to zergs
One was Losira, NesTea, one was Ret, and one was IdrA
Out of these games, I think all only one or two of them went 3 bases, after 3 bases MC always wins.
Losira did 2 all-in hydra/nydus and roach/ling attacks.
Ret did ling/roach into nydus worm inside MC's base
IdrA did roach/hydra drops before MC's third got saturated much on metal and 2 base on Xelnaga
Forgot what NesTea did
Basically, does anyone know of a zerg who has beaten MC in a mid-late game situation after he has more than 2-3 colossus? I am trying to find some to see what can be done
Catz v. MC on Xelnaga Caverns in NASL I believe...
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On June 22 2011 10:59 Dariusz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 10:29 Mycl wrote:On June 22 2011 09:05 Dariusz wrote:On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution? IdrA had mostly roaches, which are 2 supply like stalkers, but cost 2x less. His investment in hydra tech didn't pay off, he couldn't get them out in time MC had +2 attack while Idra had +1 There is a solution, but it's not easy for IdrA to change his entire gameplan around this MU. Speedling/hydra/infestor rapes mass blink stalkers, it's not like it's unbeatable, you just need to react in time, and that's harder, depending on how the game goes and what is current metagame. He has used ling/hydra/infestor against MC's mass blink stalker and still lost. You would think it would, as you say easily beat it but the micro capabilities of blink are close to limitless. Any battle your meant to lose can swing in your favor with clutch blinks. You are talking about the game from MLG when he lost to DT's + blink stalkers? He had no roaches to tank demage there, no detection and i don't remember infestors.
There was like 1 DT and 3-4 infestors for Idra. The other DT's were attacking idra's other bases.
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On June 22 2011 10:59 Dariusz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 10:29 Mycl wrote:On June 22 2011 09:05 Dariusz wrote:On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution? IdrA had mostly roaches, which are 2 supply like stalkers, but cost 2x less. His investment in hydra tech didn't pay off, he couldn't get them out in time MC had +2 attack while Idra had +1 There is a solution, but it's not easy for IdrA to change his entire gameplan around this MU. Speedling/hydra/infestor rapes mass blink stalkers, it's not like it's unbeatable, you just need to react in time, and that's harder, depending on how the game goes and what is current metagame. He has used ling/hydra/infestor against MC's mass blink stalker and still lost. You would think it would, as you say easily beat it but the micro capabilities of blink are close to limitless. Any battle your meant to lose can swing in your favor with clutch blinks. You are talking about the game from MLG when he lost to DT's + blink stalkers? He had no roaches to tank demage there, no detection and i don't remember infestors.
No roaches? So now your optimal strategy for blink stalker is ling/roach/hydra/infestor? As the guy stated above most of the DT's were at Idra's naturals and he had some infestors in time I think.
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IdrA has got to be my favorite zerg player. I wish he was doing better tournament-wise but I know things will around for him.
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Did the Geforce groups change? I thought IdrA had Spanishiwa, Grubby, Cruncher, etc?
His new group is insane again -___-
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Edit : NVM
Only Nerchio and MVP are scary.
Virus and Junwi have low vs Z win rates (but few games, might not be accurate).
Cella is a coach, probably will cheese.
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On June 22 2011 13:54 Mailing wrote:Did the Geforce groups change? I thought IdrA had Spanishiwa, Grubby, Cruncher, etc? His new group is insane again -___- Edit : NVM Only Nerchio and MVP are scary. Virus and Junwi have low vs Z win rates (but few games, might not be accurate). Cella is a coach, probably will cheese.
Why would they do that? T_T
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On June 22 2011 12:36 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 10:59 Dariusz wrote:On June 22 2011 10:29 Mycl wrote:On June 22 2011 09:05 Dariusz wrote:On June 22 2011 08:51 Spec wrote:
70 supply ahead. Still lose game... to a mass of second fighting unit... I think it's time to have big zerg get-to-gather and have a little discussion about this... it'd be nice if anyone could come up with a solution? IdrA had mostly roaches, which are 2 supply like stalkers, but cost 2x less. His investment in hydra tech didn't pay off, he couldn't get them out in time MC had +2 attack while Idra had +1 There is a solution, but it's not easy for IdrA to change his entire gameplan around this MU. Speedling/hydra/infestor rapes mass blink stalkers, it's not like it's unbeatable, you just need to react in time, and that's harder, depending on how the game goes and what is current metagame. He has used ling/hydra/infestor against MC's mass blink stalker and still lost. You would think it would, as you say easily beat it but the micro capabilities of blink are close to limitless. Any battle your meant to lose can swing in your favor with clutch blinks. You are talking about the game from MLG when he lost to DT's + blink stalkers? He had no roaches to tank demage there, no detection and i don't remember infestors. There was like 1 DT and 3-4 infestors for Idra. The other DT's were attacking idra's other bases.
I had to check, because i here a LOT of different versions about this fight, and here are some facts:
units:
Idra: 42 hydras 5 infestors
MC: 57 stalkers 1 DT 4 zealots BUT:
MC warped in 3 more DT:s as soon as the fight started, they had 8-10 (forgot )kills total when the fight stopped, and the first DT had like 10 free swings, where he did not get a kill, but took most of the hydras hp. So yeah, MC had a bigger army, dt:s doing huge damage, and idra had 20 supply wasted in corruptors. And when you add in that godly blink micro, no wonder MC won that battle. 
Oh, just had to correct that "he only had 1 DT" stuff, because i hear it a lot -_-
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And sign me up! My second favorite zerg of all time. He has given me some of the best times i have had by watching SC, hopefully he works hards, and gives us some cool results during the summer and the rest of the year.
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