On June 22 2011 00:15 xtfftc wrote: I'm a bit disappointed that MC is in the same group with Tyler and Demuslim. I want to see an Idra vs MC re-re-re-match but I also want Demuslim and Tyler to progress. :/
I'm sick and tired of Idra vs MC rematches :3 Idra gotta figure out a new ZvP style first. Nony
i think idra needs to figure out roaches just dont cut it and start using infestors more, he was doing it very sucessfully before mlg and dreamhack but turned it down for important plays for some reason almost completely avoiding it or just getting them way way too late
Every match he played against MC he attempted some form of strong aggression using roach timing attacks or roach/hydra drops.
In Dreamhack, he attempted to push in and break MC's third with roach/hydra. Even after MC let 2 colossus get snipped by roaches, he still couldn't break it.
In game 2, he tried using a roach burrow timing attack to break MC's late natural that he canceled with early roach/ling and then tried to keep MC off 3 bases, he didn't have the gas to get infestors.
Getting infestors in ZvP means you are going into the late game. You can put 0 pressure on protoss before they take their third.
I wouldn't doubt IdrA thinks MC won't lose a 3+ base macro game regardless of what he makes, simply because infestors are not as great against the deathball + blink as people think when the protoss has good micro.
Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
On June 22 2011 00:15 xtfftc wrote: I'm a bit disappointed that MC is in the same group with Tyler and Demuslim. I want to see an Idra vs MC re-re-re-match but I also want Demuslim and Tyler to progress. :/
I'm sick and tired of Idra vs MC rematches :3 Idra gotta figure out a new ZvP style first. Nony
i think idra needs to figure out roaches just dont cut it and start using infestors more, he was doing it very sucessfully before mlg and dreamhack but turned it down for important plays for some reason almost completely avoiding it or just getting them way way too late
Every match he played against MC he attempted some form of strong aggression using roach timing attacks or roach/hydra drops.
In Dreamhack, he attempted to push in and break MC's third with roach/hydra. Even after MC let 2 colossus get snipped by roaches, he still couldn't break it.
In game 2, he tried using a roach burrow timing attack to break MC's late natural that he canceled with early roach/ling and then tried to keep MC off 3 bases, he didn't have the gas to get infestors.
Getting infestors in ZvP means you are going into the late game. You can put 0 pressure on protoss before they take their third.
I wouldn't doubt IdrA thinks MC won't lose a 3+ base macro game regardless of what he makes, simply because infestors are not as great against the deathball + blink as people think when the protoss has good micro.
Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
Then again some come to Idra's fanclub to post some made up bullshit for no apparent reason than to piss people off.
On June 22 2011 00:15 xtfftc wrote: I'm a bit disappointed that MC is in the same group with Tyler and Demuslim. I want to see an Idra vs MC re-re-re-match but I also want Demuslim and Tyler to progress. :/
I'm sick and tired of Idra vs MC rematches :3 Idra gotta figure out a new ZvP style first. Nony
i think idra needs to figure out roaches just dont cut it and start using infestors more, he was doing it very sucessfully before mlg and dreamhack but turned it down for important plays for some reason almost completely avoiding it or just getting them way way too late
Every match he played against MC he attempted some form of strong aggression using roach timing attacks or roach/hydra drops.
In Dreamhack, he attempted to push in and break MC's third with roach/hydra. Even after MC let 2 colossus get snipped by roaches, he still couldn't break it.
In game 2, he tried using a roach burrow timing attack to break MC's late natural that he canceled with early roach/ling and then tried to keep MC off 3 bases, he didn't have the gas to get infestors.
Getting infestors in ZvP means you are going into the late game. You can put 0 pressure on protoss before they take their third.
I wouldn't doubt IdrA thinks MC won't lose a 3+ base macro game regardless of what he makes, simply because infestors are not as great against the deathball + blink as people think when the protoss has good micro.
Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
Then again some come to Idra's fanclub to post some made up bullshit for no apparent reason than to piss people off.
No I didn't make it up it's verifiable and I'm not here to piss people off I just wanted to point out hey Idra's been having a tough time but it's something he can fix and get on top again
On June 22 2011 03:18 Eknoid4 wrote: Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
He only attacked up a ramp once in the series vs MC at Dreamhack, and it was a really wide ramp on Crevasse.
On June 22 2011 00:15 xtfftc wrote: I'm a bit disappointed that MC is in the same group with Tyler and Demuslim. I want to see an Idra vs MC re-re-re-match but I also want Demuslim and Tyler to progress. :/
I'm sick and tired of Idra vs MC rematches :3 Idra gotta figure out a new ZvP style first. Nony
i think idra needs to figure out roaches just dont cut it and start using infestors more, he was doing it very sucessfully before mlg and dreamhack but turned it down for important plays for some reason almost completely avoiding it or just getting them way way too late
Every match he played against MC he attempted some form of strong aggression using roach timing attacks or roach/hydra drops.
In Dreamhack, he attempted to push in and break MC's third with roach/hydra. Even after MC let 2 colossus get snipped by roaches, he still couldn't break it.
In game 2, he tried using a roach burrow timing attack to break MC's late natural that he canceled with early roach/ling and then tried to keep MC off 3 bases, he didn't have the gas to get infestors.
Getting infestors in ZvP means you are going into the late game. You can put 0 pressure on protoss before they take their third.
I wouldn't doubt IdrA thinks MC won't lose a 3+ base macro game regardless of what he makes, simply because infestors are not as great against the deathball + blink as people think when the protoss has good micro.
Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
Then again some come to Idra's fanclub to post some made up bullshit for no apparent reason than to piss people off.
No I didn't make it up it's verifiable
Prove it then. I am curious in how many out of Idra's bo3 defeats does he:
a-move up a ramp
have half of his army not attacking
gg seconds later
say it's Protoss' fault
Tell you what, let's make it easier for you - don't bother with the third and fourth bullet; focus on the first two.
On June 22 2011 00:15 xtfftc wrote: I'm a bit disappointed that MC is in the same group with Tyler and Demuslim. I want to see an Idra vs MC re-re-re-match but I also want Demuslim and Tyler to progress. :/
I'm sick and tired of Idra vs MC rematches :3 Idra gotta figure out a new ZvP style first. Nony
i think idra needs to figure out roaches just dont cut it and start using infestors more, he was doing it very sucessfully before mlg and dreamhack but turned it down for important plays for some reason almost completely avoiding it or just getting them way way too late
Every match he played against MC he attempted some form of strong aggression using roach timing attacks or roach/hydra drops.
In Dreamhack, he attempted to push in and break MC's third with roach/hydra. Even after MC let 2 colossus get snipped by roaches, he still couldn't break it.
In game 2, he tried using a roach burrow timing attack to break MC's late natural that he canceled with early roach/ling and then tried to keep MC off 3 bases, he didn't have the gas to get infestors.
Getting infestors in ZvP means you are going into the late game. You can put 0 pressure on protoss before they take their third.
I wouldn't doubt IdrA thinks MC won't lose a 3+ base macro game regardless of what he makes, simply because infestors are not as great against the deathball + blink as people think when the protoss has good micro.
Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
Then again some come to Idra's fanclub to post some made up bullshit for no apparent reason than to piss people off.
No I didn't make it up it's verifiable
Prove it then. I am curious in how many out of Idra's bo3 defeats does he:
a-move up a ramp
have half of his army not attacking
gg seconds later
say it's Protoss' fault
Tell you what, let's make it easier for you - don't bother with the third and fourth bullet; focus on the first two.
Go ahead and watch his bo3s. The proof is right there. he of course doesn't usually say it's protoss's fault mid-match(most of the time) but i feel like he does feel hopeless but that there certainly is hope for him!
On June 22 2011 02:49 Skarmory wrote: MC has the best Micro until he plays Alicia, a protoss who isn't bad enough to lose to 4 gate every time like kiwikaki and hasuobs.
Well, MC / Alicia's micro are probably even (at the top), MC is probably just too used to killing lesser Protoss outright, hence the silly all-in play in their series.
@ the "Idra a-moves up a ramp" thing, I kind of have to agree... there are often those games where it seems like he stops controlling his units, watches as his whole army gets slaughtered (vs either colossi or blink stalkers), and leaves the game. Generally he's already behind in these games, but not so much where it's already a lost cause... definitely a painful thing to watch.
You can't really do anything other than a-move zerg units though. Roach burrow micro is only good very early game...but Zerg doesn't have anything to micro besides Infestors and Mutalisks.
OMG, as he said protoss at 0:48 his eyes blinked up a little bit, like if someone in Harry Potter dont want to say LordVoldemord or whatever it was. Good analysis through....
On June 22 2011 04:29 cordlc wrote: @ the "Idra a-moves up a ramp" thing, I kind of have to agree... there are often those games where it seems like he stops controlling his units, watches as his whole army gets slaughtered (vs either colossi or blink stalkers), and leaves the game. Generally he's already behind in these games, but not so much where it's already a lost cause... definitely a painful thing to watch.
I'm sure you guys are talking about some specific example that I'm not aware of, but he's said that if it ever looks like your roaches are going to lose a battle and they dont have speed yet, it's a waste of time to try to run away off creep. They're too slow and they're going to die anyways, you might as well leave them there to kill as much as you can.
On June 22 2011 00:15 xtfftc wrote: I'm a bit disappointed that MC is in the same group with Tyler and Demuslim. I want to see an Idra vs MC re-re-re-match but I also want Demuslim and Tyler to progress. :/
I'm sick and tired of Idra vs MC rematches :3 Idra gotta figure out a new ZvP style first. Nony
i think idra needs to figure out roaches just dont cut it and start using infestors more, he was doing it very sucessfully before mlg and dreamhack but turned it down for important plays for some reason almost completely avoiding it or just getting them way way too late
Every match he played against MC he attempted some form of strong aggression using roach timing attacks or roach/hydra drops.
In Dreamhack, he attempted to push in and break MC's third with roach/hydra. Even after MC let 2 colossus get snipped by roaches, he still couldn't break it.
In game 2, he tried using a roach burrow timing attack to break MC's late natural that he canceled with early roach/ling and then tried to keep MC off 3 bases, he didn't have the gas to get infestors.
Getting infestors in ZvP means you are going into the late game. You can put 0 pressure on protoss before they take their third.
I wouldn't doubt IdrA thinks MC won't lose a 3+ base macro game regardless of what he makes, simply because infestors are not as great against the deathball + blink as people think when the protoss has good micro.
Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
Then again some come to Idra's fanclub to post some made up bullshit for no apparent reason than to piss people off.
No I didn't make it up it's verifiable
Prove it then. I am curious in how many out of Idra's bo3 defeats does he:
a-move up a ramp
have half of his army not attacking
gg seconds later
say it's Protoss' fault
Tell you what, let's make it easier for you - don't bother with the third and fourth bullet; focus on the first two.
Go ahead and watch his bo3s. The proof is right there.
So you want me to find a proof for your argument?
In case you decide to review your statement, this is a list of Idra's tournament defeats versus Protoss for the last three months: MC Dreamhack, Sase Dreamhack, MC MLG, xiaot Stars War, MC Dreamhack Invitational, Socke HD World, Huk MLG Dallas, Kiwikaki MLG Dallas, Cruncher TSL.
On June 22 2011 03:18 Eknoid4 wrote: Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
He only attacked up a ramp once in the series vs MC at Dreamhack, and it was a really wide ramp on Crevasse.
"Wide ramp" doesent matter, if you have 8 full sentries. even open terrain becomes a small chokepoint if you forcefield well(which mc can do) and those 15 seconds are always enough for a protoss deathball to kill of the zerg army with very few losses. the only thing you need to avoid as p is getting flanked. which is possible in the middle of crevasse but mc was very careful
On June 22 2011 03:18 Eknoid4 wrote: Then again there are a lot of times where Idra a-moves up a ramp (at least once in every bo3 he loses) out of frustration and 50+ percent of his army isn't attacking and he gg's seconds later and says it was all protoss's fault.
He only attacked up a ramp once in the series vs MC at Dreamhack, and it was a really wide ramp on Crevasse.
"Wide ramp" doesent matter, if you have 8 full sentries. even open terrain becomes a small chokepoint if you forcefield well(which mc can do) and those 15 seconds are always enough for a protoss deathball to kill of the zerg army with very few losses. the only thing you need to avoid as p is getting flanked. which is possible in the middle of crevasse but mc was very careful
Well you can't really blame idra if forcefields make any open area small
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