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I wonder if people will be upset if it doesn't say gg on his tombstone..
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On June 14 2011 09:48 Whole wrote:
I can't believe people are over analyzing not GG'ing vs Boxer so fucking much. IdrA didn't think they were good games. He did not GG. It is not that hard to comprehend.
people like to overanalyze everything, especially when it comes to controversial figures like IdrA. lets them get their opinion heard I guess
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I think he's quite good but one thing i cant understand...
![[image loading]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12370275/Permanent_links/TheConclusionToThis.gif)
you know what i mean 
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On June 14 2011 09:54 gosublade wrote:
I wonder if people will be upset if it doesn't say gg on his tombstone..
i wouldnt put it past them lol
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On June 14 2011 09:30 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like  Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner? And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing.
Well the foreign scene has been growing and it's been hard to figure out who's the best player. Can't really go with earnings, so it's kind of bad of me to use that a some sort of benchmark, but Idra is lucky to have support because he hasn't been able to collect much prize money. Sure he's a good player, but he's also hyped, IMO for various obvious reasons - one of them is that he was great at SCBW.
Perhaps I'm biased though, but I don't think he's got the most impressive track record, even for a foreigner. Obviously, TSL3 was a big milestone, props to Thorzain, and NASL is obviously a big deal, especially if a non-korean manages to run with it. We've also got Dreamhack and the big MLG tourney to look forward to, but really it's only getting started, and now that the prizepools are starting to cover more than the flight tickets, we'll see some serious competition.
Edit: You said, "you're basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing" and I didn't give you a straight answer. I think it's kind of a joke to be honest, but mostly because of Blizzard. We go to LAN's like MLG and our tournament lags because it's ONLINE. If I were a Halo fanboy, I would laugh my ass off. We look like freaking clowns.
And also, I can never look at NASL like a legitimate tournament because of obvious latency issues. Things turned out the way they did because of lag and whatnot - we see Koreans make early game reapers which are obviously impossible to micro. Luckily the good stuff is coming - I think it has been building up to this, and hopefully Blizzard lets MLG and Dreamhack play on LAN... But I guess that won't happen.
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IMO, idra doesn't gg under two scenarios: 1) some perceived imbalance, and 2) a critical mistake on his part. I think his lack of gg during the second game was due to reason 2.
And BTW, why are ppl saying that Boxer cheesed in game 2??
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On June 14 2011 10:09 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 09:30 xtfftc wrote:On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner? And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing. Well the foreign scene has been growing and it's been hard to figure out who's the best player. Can't really go with earnings, so it's kind of bad of me to use that a some sort of benchmark, but Idra is lucky to have support because he hasn't been able to collect much prize money. Sure he's a good player, but he's also hyped, IMO for various obvious reasons - one of them is that he was great at SCBW. Perhaps I'm biased though, but I don't think he's got the most impressive track record, even for a foreigner. Obviously, TSL3 was a big milestone, props to Thorzain, and NASL is obviously a big deal, especially if a non-korean manages to run with it. We've also got Dreamhack and the big MLG tourney to look forward to, but really it's only getting started, and now that the prizepools are staring to cover more than the flight tickets, we'll see some serious competition.
I don't understand why you are talking about future tournaments and not past ones. Idra has made at least $19825 from prize money from SC2 but I'm pretty sure I'm missing some tournaments.
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On June 14 2011 10:09 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 09:30 xtfftc wrote:On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner? And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing. Well the foreign scene has been growing and it's been hard to figure out who's the best player. Can't really go with earnings, so it's kind of bad of me to use that a some sort of benchmark, but Idra is lucky to have support because he hasn't been able to collect much prize money. Sure he's a good player, but he's also hyped, IMO for various obvious reasons - one of them is that he was great at SCBW. Perhaps I'm biased though, but I don't think he's got the most impressive track record, even for a foreigner. Obviously, TSL3 was a big milestone, props to Thorzain, and NASL is obviously a big deal, especially if a non-korean manages to run with it. We've also got Dreamhack and the big MLG tourney to look forward to, but really it's only getting started, and now that the prizepools are starting to cover more than the flight tickets, we'll see some serious competition. Edit: You said, "you're basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing" and I didn't give you a straight answer. I think it's kind of a joke to be honest, but mostly because of Blizzard. We go to LAN's like MLG and our tournament lags because it's ONLINE. If I were a Halo fanboy, I would laugh my ass off. We look like freaking clowns. And also, I can never look at NASL like a legitimate tournament because of obvious latency issues. Things turned out the way they did because of lag and whatnot - we see Koreans make early game reapers which are obviously impossible to micro. Luckily the good stuff is coming - I think it has been building up to this, and hopefully Blizzard lets MLG and Dreamhack play on LAN... But I guess that won't happen.
No one cares about your garbage opinions. If you feel the need to be a moron, write a blog or something.
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On June 14 2011 10:09 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 09:30 xtfftc wrote:On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner? And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing. Well the foreign scene has been growing and it's been hard to figure out who's the best player. Can't really go with earnings, so it's kind of bad of me to use that a some sort of benchmark, but Idra is lucky to have support because he hasn't been able to collect much prize money. Sure he's a good player, but he's also hyped, IMO for various obvious reasons - one of them is that he was great at SCBW. Perhaps I'm biased though, but I don't think he's got the most impressive track record, even for a foreigner. Obviously, TSL3 was a big milestone, props to Thorzain, and NASL is obviously a big deal, especially if a non-korean manages to run with it. We've also got Dreamhack and the big MLG tourney to look forward to, but really it's only getting started, and now that the prizepools are starting to cover more than the flight tickets, we'll see some serious competition. Edit: You said, "you're basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing" and I didn't give you a straight answer. I think it's kind of a joke to be honest, but mostly because of Blizzard. We go to LAN's like MLG and our tournament lags because it's ONLINE. If I were a Halo fanboy, I would laugh my ass off. We look like freaking clowns. And also, I can never look at NASL like a legitimate tournament because of obvious latency issues. Things turned out the way they did because of lag and whatnot - we see Koreans make early game reapers which are obviously impossible to micro. Luckily the good stuff is coming - I think it has been building up to this, and hopefully Blizzard lets MLG and Dreamhack play on LAN... But I guess that won't happen.
So you say Idra has no accomplishments yet he has more accomplishments then boxer in sc2. He placed ro8 in a GSL, made ro16, ro32 like every single time, he never lost in the ro64.
He won an MLG (didn't realize this wasn't an accomplishment), and has always consistently gotten top 8 except 1 time I believe? Won the IPL, I mean he's got more accomplishments in boxer in sc2 by far where boxer has what placed ro8 in GSL? bw yes he has accomplishments but this is a new game. I mean just completely ignorant saying Idra's got nothing when the only other foreigner with accomplishments near him are Jinro who won an MLG, made GSL ro4 twice in a row, and only recently dropped down to Code A.
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IdrA has more accomplishments than a lot of good Korean players.
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Idra couldn't find it in himself to type 2 letters to a very respectable figure in esports. Goog game or not it's a sign of good manners and you should do it no matter what. I hope his fans stop defending him.
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On June 14 2011 10:45 naggerNZ wrote:
IdrA has more accomplishments than a lot of good Korean players.
Guys, don't compare foreigners and Koreans' accomplishments. Thanks to Activision and Kespa, Koreans only had GSL until recently, which is ridiculously hard. It is impossible to compare the success on the Korean and the foreign scenes.
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On June 14 2011 10:45 Dante08 wrote:
Idra couldn't find it in himself to type 2 letters to a very respectable figure in esports. Goog game or not it's a sign of good manners and you should do it no matter what. I hope his fans stop defending him.
wrong place to post this, get out
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On June 14 2011 10:45 Dante08 wrote:
Idra couldn't find it in himself to type 2 letters to a very respectable figure in esports. Goog game or not it's a sign of good manners and you should do it no matter what. I hope his fans stop defending him.
A. This is the fanclub, hence people will defend him. Idk, but personally I don't think the fanclubs should be the ones bashing the player they are fans of.
B. People's opinions differ. But I guess what is to remember is that, GG = "Good game." I don't think it is because it is IdrA being rude per se, but rather people taking "GG" too flippantly, having long forgotten to put more meaning into it. If I say "GG" but I don't think its a good game, I am sarcastic, lying, or pressured into doing it. So it is no that he values a good game less, but rather values the recognition of such more than other people do.
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It's pretty obvious IdrA didn't gg because BoxeR decided to proxy two rax twice in a row. Idra has gged to him before.
IdrA just fucking HATES terran builds like that. Ones where it's insanely easy to do and insanely hard to hold if your scouting worker misses it. Can almost guarantee if Boxer beat idra game 2 without doing that opening idra would have gged, luckily idra found the barrack at the watch tower.
In Sen's interview, this is what he was talking about. "I worry about korean terrans, it is very hard to stop marine and scv early attacks on korean ladder"
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Early 2 rax pressure is a perfectly standard opening for TvZ, why are people complaining it's a cheese? It's not the Terran's fault the zerg dies to the pressure
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On June 14 2011 10:42 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 10:09 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 09:30 xtfftc wrote:On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner? And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing. Well the foreign scene has been growing and it's been hard to figure out who's the best player. Can't really go with earnings, so it's kind of bad of me to use that a some sort of benchmark, but Idra is lucky to have support because he hasn't been able to collect much prize money. Sure he's a good player, but he's also hyped, IMO for various obvious reasons - one of them is that he was great at SCBW. Perhaps I'm biased though, but I don't think he's got the most impressive track record, even for a foreigner. Obviously, TSL3 was a big milestone, props to Thorzain, and NASL is obviously a big deal, especially if a non-korean manages to run with it. We've also got Dreamhack and the big MLG tourney to look forward to, but really it's only getting started, and now that the prizepools are starting to cover more than the flight tickets, we'll see some serious competition. Edit: You said, "you're basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing" and I didn't give you a straight answer. I think it's kind of a joke to be honest, but mostly because of Blizzard. We go to LAN's like MLG and our tournament lags because it's ONLINE. If I were a Halo fanboy, I would laugh my ass off. We look like freaking clowns. And also, I can never look at NASL like a legitimate tournament because of obvious latency issues. Things turned out the way they did because of lag and whatnot - we see Koreans make early game reapers which are obviously impossible to micro. Luckily the good stuff is coming - I think it has been building up to this, and hopefully Blizzard lets MLG and Dreamhack play on LAN... But I guess that won't happen. So you say Idra has no accomplishments yet he has more accomplishments then boxer in sc2. He placed ro8 in a GSL, made ro16, ro32 like every single time, he never lost in the ro64. He won an MLG (didn't realize this wasn't an accomplishment), and has always consistently gotten top 8 except 1 time I believe? Won the IPL, I mean he's got more accomplishments in boxer in sc2 by far where boxer has what placed ro8 in GSL? bw yes he has accomplishments but this is a new game. I mean just completely ignorant saying Idra's got nothing when the only other foreigner with accomplishments near him are Jinro who won an MLG, made GSL ro4 twice in a row, and only recently dropped down to Code A.
I was talking relatively to Boxer's entire career, though... I don't think that IdrA should ever be disrespectful to Boxer. And yes IdrA has made more prize money, but if we're talking about all around income, Boxer's miles ahead already.
If we're talking about the foreign scene, Idra has achievements which remain fairly modest, as far as I'm concerned. He's a great player, for sure, and he's got plenty of time to win, but winning $2500 at MLG, while it's nice, is just not praise-worthy. Many of the great players may not have the opportunity to attend... I mean, high-fives to Dignitas for flying all those people to MLG, but not all Europeans can afford it.
I guess I'm kind of a pessimist about foreign SC2, but like I said, I'm pretty happy with the direction it's taking and Idra's going to have a chance to impress me (not that he care but you guys know what I mean). I think that $2,500 LANs don't bring out the best players, but the big tournaments that are coming up might.
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IdrA is either a genius or some kind of unintentional PR savant. He "ragequits" in two games that had pretty much no impact on his career (as I understand it even if he 2-0'd boxer he would still not have gotten top 2 in his group) and the resulting shitstorm only gets him more publicity which translates to more stream views/higher desirability for event invites (whose organizers want stream views). He's like the John Mcenroe of starcraft, he can ride a few short outbursts to the bank for the rest of his career.
This whole affair is just a blast to watch.
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On June 14 2011 10:37 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 10:09 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 09:30 xtfftc wrote:On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner? And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing. Well the foreign scene has been growing and it's been hard to figure out who's the best player. Can't really go with earnings, so it's kind of bad of me to use that a some sort of benchmark, but Idra is lucky to have support because he hasn't been able to collect much prize money. Sure he's a good player, but he's also hyped, IMO for various obvious reasons - one of them is that he was great at SCBW. Perhaps I'm biased though, but I don't think he's got the most impressive track record, even for a foreigner. Obviously, TSL3 was a big milestone, props to Thorzain, and NASL is obviously a big deal, especially if a non-korean manages to run with it. We've also got Dreamhack and the big MLG tourney to look forward to, but really it's only getting started, and now that the prizepools are staring to cover more than the flight tickets, we'll see some serious competition. I don't understand why you are talking about future tournaments and not past ones. Idra has made at least $19825 from prize money from SC2 but I'm pretty sure I'm missing some tournaments. + Show Spoiler +
Seems like MC made moer than that... 2x GSL, won copenhagen, dreamhack, stars war, 3rd place mlg, isn't the 2 gsl wins alone 160k?
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