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You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer.
"You must be new to the scene" automatically invalidates anything you say after it even if the person really is new to the scene. Who are you? Nobody? Okay then, you're not even in the scene.
Who should I believe, the widespread consensus of a bunch of non-pros, or the pros own words. HMMMM. I wonder.
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On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:As for IdrA not GGing... Show nested quote +IdrA gg's if he feels it was a good game. The early rushes are rarely good games in his book, so he doesn't gg. I'm surprised people don't grasp this by now. This. I don't gg either if I don't think it literally was a good game. If I feel like I've played badly I don't gg, because it wasn't a gg. It was half a gg. I didn't hold up my end. Or, if the other player cheeses or rushes or whatever, it's probably not a good game either. He didn't hold up his end.
Yeah, this is definitely the reason Idra didn't GG. Idra seems like a really nice guy and I guarantee you he has all the respect in the world for what Boxer is/has done for eSports. There wasn't likely any malice at all in him not GG'ing, it was 2 proxy racks rushes so I'm sure he just felt like they were poor games.
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On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't gg either if I don't think it literally was a good game. If I feel like I've played badly I don't gg, because it wasn't a gg. It was half a gg. I didn't hold up my end. Or, if the other player cheeses or rushes or whatever, it's probably not a good game either. He didn't hold up his end.
You give him too much credit. He also doesn't gg when he's pissed.
You're basically saying he doesn't have any integrity, imo, because sometimes he gg's when he loses badly. In GSL and in NASL, sometimes he's on a short leash.
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On June 14 2011 08:14 wzzit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime He's past his prime? I don't know any pro who thinks that going from his late teens to early 20s or early 20s to late-mid 20s has caused some kind of physical decline that has lowered his ability. I think if Boxer dedicated himself to being a pro gamer instead of a coach, he would find himself at least in if not on top of the top 5 Terrans list in the world. You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer.
whitera is married in his early 30s and together with naniwa the best protoss in europe :-)
games against boxer weren't gg's but i think he should have gg'ed, because boxer is always friendly, gave Idra the gracken hype and is just a legend in esports. Idra should show some sort of respect to the great gamers, even if they cheese him... idra should be able to defend a 2rax pressure imo
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On June 14 2011 08:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer. "You must be new to the scene" automatically invalidates anything you say after it even if the person really is new to the scene. Who are you? Nobody? Okay then, you're not even in the scene. Who should I believe, the widespread consensus of a bunch of non-pros, or the pros own words. HMMMM. I wonder.
Lol don't get so salty. I'm not spouting the "consensus of a bunch of non-pros." It's the consensus, period. Pros or otherwise, just about everybody understands that progamers experience a physical decline in their reflexes after their early 20s.
I don't know where you're getting your information from, but there are no progamers who DON'T think that players in their early 30s are well past their prime.
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On June 14 2011 08:24 wzzit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer. "You must be new to the scene" automatically invalidates anything you say after it even if the person really is new to the scene. Who are you? Nobody? Okay then, you're not even in the scene. Who should I believe, the widespread consensus of a bunch of non-pros, or the pros own words. HMMMM. I wonder. Lol don't get so salty. I'm not spouting the "consensus of a bunch of non-pros." It's the consensus, period. Pros or otherwise, just about everybody understands that progamers experience a physical decline in their reflexes after their early 20s. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but there are no progamers who DON'T think that players in their early 30s are well past their prime.
I jot most of that down to the fact that there hasn't been progamers around for very long, the older progamers around today have been at it for ages, I reckon you'll see plenty of the people that are 21'ish now still be progamers when they're 26. It's too early to establish any kind of norm for such a young "sport".
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On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like  Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub
I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... I was talking about Boxer here... so yeah in comparison, not too impressive.
On June 14 2011 08:30 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:24 wzzit wrote:On June 14 2011 08:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer. "You must be new to the scene" automatically invalidates anything you say after it even if the person really is new to the scene. Who are you? Nobody? Okay then, you're not even in the scene. Who should I believe, the widespread consensus of a bunch of non-pros, or the pros own words. HMMMM. I wonder. Lol don't get so salty. I'm not spouting the "consensus of a bunch of non-pros." It's the consensus, period. Pros or otherwise, just about everybody understands that progamers experience a physical decline in their reflexes after their early 20s. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but there are no progamers who DON'T think that players in their early 30s are well past their prime. I jot most of that down to the fact that there hasn't been progamers around for very long, the older progamers around today have been at it for ages, I reckon you'll see plenty of the people that are 21'ish now still be progamers when they're 26. It's too early to establish any kind of norm for such a young "sport".
Well yeah if you want to take SC2, but if you take other RTS's, older players tend to slump and never come back. There are a few exceptions, but most older players just can't do it. That's why there's so few people in their 30's who are still able to play. They're there, but yeah.
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On June 14 2011 08:00 dre2k wrote:
Lol @ people getting al upset idra didn't gg, I mean, really?
One day I didn't lift up my pinky while drinking tea was nearly thrown in prison.
This reminds me of that thread I saw about the prime minister wearing a different outfit to the royal wedding than the traditional one. The mind boggles.
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On June 14 2011 08:30 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:24 wzzit wrote:On June 14 2011 08:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer. "You must be new to the scene" automatically invalidates anything you say after it even if the person really is new to the scene. Who are you? Nobody? Okay then, you're not even in the scene. Who should I believe, the widespread consensus of a bunch of non-pros, or the pros own words. HMMMM. I wonder. Lol don't get so salty. I'm not spouting the "consensus of a bunch of non-pros." It's the consensus, period. Pros or otherwise, just about everybody understands that progamers experience a physical decline in their reflexes after their early 20s. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but there are no progamers who DON'T think that players in their early 30s are well past their prime. I jot most of that down to the fact that there hasn't been progamers around for very long, the older progamers around today have been at it for ages, I reckon you'll see plenty of the people that are 21'ish now still be progamers when they're 26. It's too early to establish any kind of norm for such a young "sport".
I'm not saying that older progamers can't compete. Even in Brood war, there are still players competing well into their late 20s at a high level. Back when he was still playing BW, Nada managed to do this. My only point here is that the vast majority of progamers DO experience a noticeable decline in their physical reflexes and mechanics past their early 20s.
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On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning an MLG is nice, I'll give him that, but I was talking about Boxer here... so yeah in comparison, not too impressive.
Sure, Boxer has a ton of wins from the early 2000's. It is now 2011 and a entirely different game. Boxer is a great terran, but Idra is the more accomplished sc2 player.
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On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all.
...The guy who's one of the main reasons why Starcraft is so popular as an e-sport shouldn't get anymore respect than anyone else? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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On June 14 2011 06:59 W2 wrote:
You've got to have a huge ego for not gg'ing against BoxeR. This shows Idra ranks himself pretty high up there, to think that he can show no sportsmanship to the man who's won multiple championships and made esports what it is today.
Not saying who's right and who's wrong, he can do whatever he wants. For all we know Idra might actually be "big" enough, judging by his fan base.
Wow, you people are just retarded. Not typing GG isn't an indicator of anything. You can type it, but you don't have to, and you shouldn't give a shit, it wasn't you playing against him anyway. I seriously cant understand how people are reading so much into it. After a football game if one player doesn't shake hands with all players of the opposite team NOBODY GIVES A FUCK, because it doesn't mean anything.
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WhiteRa is also pretty good.
IdrA seems to be in another bad mood atm. He loses too many games he souldn't lose in my opinon. IdrA gets bunker rushed on ladder so many times. Instead of trying amazingly hard to fall for such shit never again he just quits nearly every time.
If it's really true that idrA is just training four hours a day we can be glad to see what we see. He won't be able to do much better in future if he practices so litte. Hell....I have friends who play just for fun more than four hours a day.
I don't know if it's a lack of practice partners or just a lack of interest. If I look at team EG there seems to be nobody close to idrA. StrifeCro and Machine are by no means bad Zergs but they just don't play the godly ZvZ idra needs to develop against top Zergs like Sen, Zenio, losirA, Nestea, etc...
Incontrol seems to abaddon the progamer job in favor for being a "starcraft person" like Day 9 and Axlsavs PvZ is mediocre at it's best.
And for the Terran part...puhhh...Is lzGamer even in Grandmasters? Demuslim was a great terran for sure...but now he has a lot of catchup to do and I hope he gets back to being a top notch player.
I'd really like to see Kiwikaki joining EG and get good friend with idra lol.
What is sad in my eyes is that idrA seems to lose his outstanding macro basis. He doesn't get worse but his opponents catch up. You know there were times where players cheesed a game of idra but in a real game......A REAL GAME...he would defeat them with ease. These real games sometimes never came but everybody was sure that he would defeat everybody IN A REAL GAME....and actually he did most of the time. But now idrA seems to lose far too many real games to be something like and unbeatable macro machine who beats everybody in A REAL GAME.
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On June 14 2011 08:35 wzzit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:30 OrchidThief wrote:On June 14 2011 08:24 wzzit wrote:On June 14 2011 08:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer. "You must be new to the scene" automatically invalidates anything you say after it even if the person really is new to the scene. Who are you? Nobody? Okay then, you're not even in the scene. Who should I believe, the widespread consensus of a bunch of non-pros, or the pros own words. HMMMM. I wonder. Lol don't get so salty. I'm not spouting the "consensus of a bunch of non-pros." It's the consensus, period. Pros or otherwise, just about everybody understands that progamers experience a physical decline in their reflexes after their early 20s. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but there are no progamers who DON'T think that players in their early 30s are well past their prime. I jot most of that down to the fact that there hasn't been progamers around for very long, the older progamers around today have been at it for ages, I reckon you'll see plenty of the people that are 21'ish now still be progamers when they're 26. It's too early to establish any kind of norm for such a young "sport". I'm not saying that older progamers can't compete. Even in Brood war, there are still players competing well into their late 20s at a high level. Back when he was still playing BW, Nada managed to do this. My only point here is that the vast majority of progamers DO experience a noticeable decline in their physical reflexes and mechanics past their early 20s.
There are no good players in their late 20's in Brood War. A couple like Nada and Boxer were good until 24 or 25.
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On June 14 2011 08:41 starsucks wrote:
What do you expect?
IdrA seems to be in another bad mood atm. He loses too many games he souldn't lose in my opinon. IdrA gets bunker rushed on ladder so many times. Instead of trying amazingly hard to fall for such shit never again he just quits nearly every time.
He leaves on ladder, because 2 bunkers on his ramp isn't something that can happen in a tourney. Theres no reason to play it out.
Boxer did a CHEESE, not a PRESSURE. 2 rax bunker on ramp is a pressure on ladder, it requires no luck to pull off. Boxer did a build that would of failed MISERABLY if idras drone saw the 2rax 20 seconds earlier. He rolled the dice idra wouldn't see it and it worked. That's what a real cheese is, a gamble to get you a lead. In the second game, he cheesed AGAIN, but idra found it and held it off, as well as the hellions. Boxer just had a good timing to attack from the choke with siege tanks 1 minute before brood lords were finished. If he had waited even 30 seconds more, IdrA would have 6-7 brood lords during that big attack and would have EASILY held it. It was a close game.
If it's really true that idrA is just training four hours a day we can be glad to see what we see. He won't be able to do much better in future if he practices so litte. Hell....I have friends who play just for fun more than four hours a day.
I don't know if it's a lack of practice partners or just a lack of interest
Lack of interest probably. Not in the game, but in his methods (ladder is probably annoying/boring) He can't practice on ladder. He has like a 70% win rate and 20% of those loses are 2 bunkers on his ramp, which again, cannot happen in tourneys. People snipe him and only when he hits an actually decent player like Minigun or SeleCT does he get any real practice.
EG is supposedly (hopefully) making a practice house where he will be able to practice with the team a lot more in customs. I wish Kiwi would join them as well....
What is sad in my eyes is that idrA seems to lose his outstanding macro basis. He doesn't get worse but his opponents catch up. You know there were times where players cheesed a game of idra but in a real game......A REAL GAME...he would defeat them with ease. These real games sometimes never came but everybody was sure that he would defeat everybody IN A REAL GAME....and actually he did most of the time. But now idrA seems to lose far too many real games to be something like and unbeatable macro machine who beats everybody in A REAL GAME.
That's to be expected. NesTea is starting to lose games as well. IdrA was better than most of the foreigners for months, and a few are catching up. NesTea was better than all the koreans for a few months, and not a few are catching up. This is just how competition works. It's way way way harder for a good player like Idra and Naniwa and Thorzain to improve than it is for others, they have hit peaks. The only way for them to get better at this point is 6-10 hours of practice in a team house like the koreans do it, but it's going to be a while before we reach that point I fear...
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You did notice that Boxer had a CC making in both of those games while he was 2raxing? What you fail to understand is the build Boxer did twice is a preasure build, which has potential to do more damage if not scouted, doesn't depend on it being unexpected to do anything, forced 2 extra lings and some mining time? Good enough, lift off and go back home where his CC was ready.
The only thing that makes every IdrA fan so butthurt is that he actualy lost to this, and like bulls, you only see red. Take a look at the Sen vs Boxer games to see how easy defending that actualy is.
Edited in for added clarity, I use the term fanboy as a negative description of people who follow him blindly enough to bash The Emperor himself, while the rest of us, fans, cheer him on for whatever reason we have.
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On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on...
Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner?
And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing.
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On June 14 2011 08:14 wzzit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime He's past his prime? I don't know any pro who thinks that going from his late teens to early 20s or early 20s to late-mid 20s has caused some kind of physical decline that has lowered his ability. I think if Boxer dedicated himself to being a pro gamer instead of a coach, he would find himself at least in if not on top of the top 5 Terrans list in the world. You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer.
This is SC2. The mechanics aren't nearly as demanding, so older plays can still be very successful. Age is hardly a factor in SC2. For now anyway. When the game develops enough, maybe mechanics will be everything.
On June 14 2011 08:21 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't gg either if I don't think it literally was a good game. If I feel like I've played badly I don't gg, because it wasn't a gg. It was half a gg. I didn't hold up my end. Or, if the other player cheeses or rushes or whatever, it's probably not a good game either. He didn't hold up his end. You give him too much credit. He also doesn't gg when he's pissed. You're basically saying he doesn't have any integrity, imo, because sometimes he gg's when he loses badly. In GSL and in NASL, sometimes he's on a short leash.
I like how you can read IdrA's mind to know when he is pissed or not. I cannot recall a game that he didn't GG because he was mad. Everytime I see no GG from IdrA, it was because he thought it wasn't a good game.
I can't believe people are over analyzing not GG'ing vs Boxer so fucking much. IdrA didn't think they were good games. He did not GG. It is not that hard to comprehend.
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