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On June 14 2011 11:18 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 10:42 blade55555 wrote:On June 14 2011 10:09 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 09:30 xtfftc wrote:On June 14 2011 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 14 2011 07:55 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 07:44 Arkan wrote:On June 14 2011 07:13 Djzapz wrote:I was a die-hard fan actually until yesterday! His shenanigans at MLG and his previous early-gg's were fine, to a certain extent. It's stupid and childish but that's why I liked him. Quitting games without gg'ing and all around BM was cute and everything... However, when you lose to Boxer, you gg, IMO. Evil Geniuses and their sponsors should be ashamed, slap his fingers for disrespecting the greatest gamer of all times. Boxer's never been anything except extremely well mannered, no reason to be an ass to him. Still a fan though, but hopefully he keeps his childish attitude for small-times players... That's what I like  Boxer is not what he was in BW in Starcraft 2 now. He is not some sort of god and shouldnt get any more respect the any other pro gamer.Your making a big deal out of nothing at all. You're* Boxer's an old guy who spanked IdrA and could do it again because our little zerg is emotionally unstable and obviously disturbed. You don't get that BM unless you're seriously shaken up! (Which is awesome) Of course he's not what he was when he was a youngling, in fact IdrA is almost certainly the better player. However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime, and deserves respect anyway because in the end, he's an icon of "e-sports". He doesn't deserve respect only based on his current skill, though he's actually not bad at all... He deserves respect because you don't dismiss a legend because he's too old to fight... (Even less so after the old man snaps your neck while you're at your peak) If IdrA ever manages to accomplish anything (and he hasn't), there's still going to be a point where he'll be too old to play and he'll have to find another way to earn his money. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go back to school or whatever - but even then, it'll be important to remember that in the past, he was a baller. winning IPL, placing well consistently in GSL and MLG = not an accomplishment please leave if you are no longer an idra fan, as this is still the idra fanclub I like the guy. But come on, "placing well" is merely cute. I consider that his fanbase is a much bigger accomplishment than his actual performance as a gamer. Winning D.C's MLG is nice, but the prizepool was tiny, and so was IGN'S - it's nice and all, but come on... Getting $2500 for 2 bo3s and 2bo5s in an online tournament is actually a gigantic prizepool but that's irrelevant. Is there a more successful foreigner? And, before I get a bunch of retarded replies - I am not comparing Idra's SC2 accomplishments to Boxer's SC:BW success. I am merely pointing out that Idra's SC2 career has been the most impressive out of all foreigners so far, so if you're saying that he has achieved nothing, then you are basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing. Well the foreign scene has been growing and it's been hard to figure out who's the best player. Can't really go with earnings, so it's kind of bad of me to use that a some sort of benchmark, but Idra is lucky to have support because he hasn't been able to collect much prize money. Sure he's a good player, but he's also hyped, IMO for various obvious reasons - one of them is that he was great at SCBW. Perhaps I'm biased though, but I don't think he's got the most impressive track record, even for a foreigner. Obviously, TSL3 was a big milestone, props to Thorzain, and NASL is obviously a big deal, especially if a non-korean manages to run with it. We've also got Dreamhack and the big MLG tourney to look forward to, but really it's only getting started, and now that the prizepools are starting to cover more than the flight tickets, we'll see some serious competition. Edit: You said, "you're basically saying that the non-Korean scene is nothing" and I didn't give you a straight answer. I think it's kind of a joke to be honest, but mostly because of Blizzard. We go to LAN's like MLG and our tournament lags because it's ONLINE. If I were a Halo fanboy, I would laugh my ass off. We look like freaking clowns. And also, I can never look at NASL like a legitimate tournament because of obvious latency issues. Things turned out the way they did because of lag and whatnot - we see Koreans make early game reapers which are obviously impossible to micro. Luckily the good stuff is coming - I think it has been building up to this, and hopefully Blizzard lets MLG and Dreamhack play on LAN... But I guess that won't happen. So you say Idra has no accomplishments yet he has more accomplishments then boxer in sc2. He placed ro8 in a GSL, made ro16, ro32 like every single time, he never lost in the ro64. He won an MLG (didn't realize this wasn't an accomplishment), and has always consistently gotten top 8 except 1 time I believe? Won the IPL, I mean he's got more accomplishments in boxer in sc2 by far where boxer has what placed ro8 in GSL? bw yes he has accomplishments but this is a new game. I mean just completely ignorant saying Idra's got nothing when the only other foreigner with accomplishments near him are Jinro who won an MLG, made GSL ro4 twice in a row, and only recently dropped down to Code A. If we're talking about the foreign scene, Idra has achievements which remain fairly modest, as far as I'm concerned. He's a great player, for sure, and he's got plenty of time to win, but winning $2500 at MLG, while it's nice, is just not praise-worthy. Many of the great players may not have the opportunity to attend... I mean, high-fives to Dignitas for flying all those people to MLG, but not all Europeans can afford it. I guess I'm kind of a pessimist about foreign SC2, but like I said, I'm pretty happy with the direction it's taking and Idra's going to have a chance to impress me (not that he care but you guys know what I mean). I think that $2,500 LANs don't bring out the best players, but the big tournaments that are coming up might.
So what you are saying is that Idra has not been the most successful foreigner because other players have not even attended the events at which he has performed well? There will always be limitations and it is possible that Idra might not be the most successful player in the future - but for now I am yet to hear who has accomplished more than him.
On June 14 2011 11:21 Gheed wrote:
IdrA is either a genius or some kind of unintentional PR savant.
Idra's actions have long been unimportant, both for the fanboys and the haters.
On June 14 2011 11:31 Olinim wrote:
Seems like MC made moer than that... 2x GSL, won copenhagen, dreamhack, stars war, 3rd place mlg, isn't the 2 gsl wins alone 160k?
Nope, Gom cut the prize pool in half since they introduced Code S/A. MC got 89k from his first win and 45 from the second.
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So what you are saying is that Idra has not been the most successful foreigner because other players have not even attended the events at which he has performed well? There will always be limitations and it is possible that Idra might not be the most successful player in the future - but for now I am yet to hear who has accomplished more than him.
IMO, Jinro's combined successes outweigh IdrA's, and even they are relatively modest. On the other hand, I don't particularly like Jinro and I do like IdrA even though I'm very disappointed in him ATM.
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On June 14 2011 11:56 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +So what you are saying is that Idra has not been the most successful foreigner because other players have not even attended the events at which he has performed well? There will always be limitations and it is possible that Idra might not be the most successful player in the future - but for now I am yet to hear who has accomplished more than him. IMO, Jinro's combined successes outweigh IdrA's, and even they are relatively modest. On the other hand, I don't particularly like Jinro and I do like IdrA even though I'm very disappointed in him ATM.
I definetely feel like at one point Jinro was probably the best foreigner but in recent months he has done nothing but dissapoint 
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Well that's not a very nice thing to say, especially in someone else's fan thread.
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On June 14 2011 09:48 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:14 wzzit wrote:On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime He's past his prime? I don't know any pro who thinks that going from his late teens to early 20s or early 20s to late-mid 20s has caused some kind of physical decline that has lowered his ability. I think if Boxer dedicated himself to being a pro gamer instead of a coach, he would find himself at least in if not on top of the top 5 Terrans list in the world. You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer. This is SC2. The mechanics aren't nearly as demanding, so older plays can still be very successful. Age is hardly a factor in SC2. For now anyway. When the game develops enough, maybe mechanics will be everything. Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:21 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't gg either if I don't think it literally was a good game. If I feel like I've played badly I don't gg, because it wasn't a gg. It was half a gg. I didn't hold up my end. Or, if the other player cheeses or rushes or whatever, it's probably not a good game either. He didn't hold up his end. You give him too much credit. He also doesn't gg when he's pissed. You're basically saying he doesn't have any integrity, imo, because sometimes he gg's when he loses badly. In GSL and in NASL, sometimes he's on a short leash. I like how you can read IdrA's mind to know when he is pissed or not. I cannot recall a game that he didn't GG because he was mad. Everytime I see no GG from IdrA, it was because he thought it wasn't a good game. I can't believe people are over analyzing not GG'ing vs Boxer so fucking much. IdrA didn't think they were good games. He did not GG. It is not that hard to comprehend.
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Why is saying GG such a big deal? I don't understand.
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On June 14 2011 14:25 Jaxtyk wrote:
Why is saying GG such a big deal? I don't understand.
It's simply the code of respect amongst professionals. You play a game, you say GG at the end. To not do so is considered rude and disrespectful.
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On June 14 2011 14:27 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 14:25 Jaxtyk wrote:
Why is saying GG such a big deal? I don't understand. It's simply the code of respect amongst professionals. You play a game, you say GG at the end. To not do so is considered rude and disrespectful.
Apparently not everyone thinks that and people should stop going crazy over it.
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On June 14 2011 14:39 DJFaqU wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 14:27 GolemMadness wrote:On June 14 2011 14:25 Jaxtyk wrote:
Why is saying GG such a big deal? I don't understand. It's simply the code of respect amongst professionals. You play a game, you say GG at the end. To not do so is considered rude and disrespectful. Apparently not everyone thinks that and people should stop going crazy over it.
...Why do you think every other progamer says GG at the end of every game? I said it's a code of respect amongst professionals; not random people on a forum.
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On June 14 2011 11:16 Fubi wrote:
Early 2 rax pressure is a perfectly standard opening for TvZ, why are people complaining it's a cheese? It's not the Terran's fault the zerg dies to the pressure
That's like saying
"I shot him, but it's not my fault he died!"
Also 2 rax pressure would be fine, if it wouldn't be built in the middle of the map.
If you would see a zerg proxy hatch or protoss proxy gate, would you still call that pressure?
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On June 14 2011 14:25 Jaxtyk wrote:
Why is saying GG such a big deal? I don't understand.
It's like a virtual handshake after any competition. You acknowledge them as a player in the game. Not doing so is considered "cool" in korea aka I don't care attitude which only adds to your bad rep in the sport you're in.
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On June 14 2011 14:45 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 14:39 DJFaqU wrote:On June 14 2011 14:27 GolemMadness wrote:On June 14 2011 14:25 Jaxtyk wrote:
Why is saying GG such a big deal? I don't understand. It's simply the code of respect amongst professionals. You play a game, you say GG at the end. To not do so is considered rude and disrespectful. Apparently not everyone thinks that and people should stop going crazy over it. ...Why do you think every other progamer says GG at the end of every game? I said it's a code of respect amongst professionals; not random people on a forum.
It usually apply to league or tournament matches as a sign of surrender more than respect imo. A lot of progamers on their stream don't gg sometimes. In IdrA's case, it's not a surprise nor a big deal. If people want to be the voice of truth, then they can continue. If they keep telling people what is right or wrong, not everyone will listen.
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On June 14 2011 14:50 Pietro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 11:16 Fubi wrote:
Early 2 rax pressure is a perfectly standard opening for TvZ, why are people complaining it's a cheese? It's not the Terran's fault the zerg dies to the pressure That's like saying "I shot him, but it's not my fault he died!"
lol thats not even close!!!
As for the GG part, who cares. SC2 is not like fotball or hockey etc. Sure GG is standard but its not like its a serious crime to not say it. People need to chill down and not take every little thing so serious.
Its not like Idra told Boxer to fuck of or something.
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Plus, does anyone know if IdrA maybe said "gg" or something alike out of the games? I don't think so... Maybe he didn't, but the thought makes all this crying funny to me.
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On June 14 2011 14:21 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 09:48 Whole wrote:On June 14 2011 08:14 wzzit wrote:On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:However, the Emperor or Terran is still damn good for an old guy who's well past his prime He's past his prime? I don't know any pro who thinks that going from his late teens to early 20s or early 20s to late-mid 20s has caused some kind of physical decline that has lowered his ability. I think if Boxer dedicated himself to being a pro gamer instead of a coach, he would find himself at least in if not on top of the top 5 Terrans list in the world. You must be new to the scene. The widespread consensus is that progamers peak in their early 20s. CJMuch was nicknamed "grandpa toss" because he was considered to be extremely old for a progamer when he was only 24 years old. For a progamer to continue experiencing success in their late 20s and early 30s is almost unheard of. The only examples I can think of are Nestea and Boxer. This is SC2. The mechanics aren't nearly as demanding, so older plays can still be very successful. Age is hardly a factor in SC2. For now anyway. When the game develops enough, maybe mechanics will be everything. On June 14 2011 08:21 Djzapz wrote:On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't gg either if I don't think it literally was a good game. If I feel like I've played badly I don't gg, because it wasn't a gg. It was half a gg. I didn't hold up my end. Or, if the other player cheeses or rushes or whatever, it's probably not a good game either. He didn't hold up his end. You give him too much credit. He also doesn't gg when he's pissed. You're basically saying he doesn't have any integrity, imo, because sometimes he gg's when he loses badly. In GSL and in NASL, sometimes he's on a short leash. I like how you can read IdrA's mind to know when he is pissed or not. I cannot recall a game that he didn't GG because he was mad. Everytime I see no GG from IdrA, it was because he thought it wasn't a good game. I can't believe people are over analyzing not GG'ing vs Boxer so fucking much. IdrA didn't think they were good games. He did not GG. It is not that hard to comprehend.
why would you link me that picture?
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yeah, im also a believer that gg should actually mean good game, i wont gg a cheeser
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On June 14 2011 14:57 purpose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 14:50 Pietro wrote:On June 14 2011 11:16 Fubi wrote:
Early 2 rax pressure is a perfectly standard opening for TvZ, why are people complaining it's a cheese? It's not the Terran's fault the zerg dies to the pressure That's like saying "I shot him, but it's not my fault he died!" lol thats not even close!!! As for the GG part, who cares. SC2 is not like fotball or hockey etc. Sure GG is standard but its not like its a serious crime to not say it. People need to chill down and not take every little thing so serious. Its not like Idra told Boxer to fuck of or something.
Exactly. The SC/SC2 community is probably one of the best gaming communities, but topics like this is just dumb. People have the feeling that they are right and they want people to know it.
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On June 14 2011 15:55 zoLo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 14:57 purpose wrote:On June 14 2011 14:50 Pietro wrote:On June 14 2011 11:16 Fubi wrote:
Early 2 rax pressure is a perfectly standard opening for TvZ, why are people complaining it's a cheese? It's not the Terran's fault the zerg dies to the pressure That's like saying "I shot him, but it's not my fault he died!" lol thats not even close!!! As for the GG part, who cares. SC2 is not like fotball or hockey etc. Sure GG is standard but its not like its a serious crime to not say it. People need to chill down and not take every little thing so serious. Its not like Idra told Boxer to fuck of or something. Exactly. The SC/SC2 community is probably one of the best gaming communities, but topics like this is just dumb. People have the feeling that they are right and they want people to know it.
No man! IdrA not GGing is hurting esports!
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On June 14 2011 08:17 Dibond wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:As for IdrA not GGing... IdrA gg's if he feels it was a good game. The early rushes are rarely good games in his book, so he doesn't gg. I'm surprised people don't grasp this by now. This. I don't gg either if I don't think it literally was a good game. If I feel like I've played badly I don't gg, because it wasn't a gg. It was half a gg. I didn't hold up my end. Or, if the other player cheeses or rushes or whatever, it's probably not a good game either. He didn't hold up his end. Yeah, this is definitely the reason Idra didn't GG. Idra seems like a really nice guy and I guarantee you he has all the respect in the world for what Boxer is/has done for eSports. There wasn't likely any malice at all in him not GG'ing, it was 2 proxy racks rushes so I'm sure he just felt like they were poor games.
Hmmm, so, when idra gg'ed MC after getting walled and canon rushed in tal'darin he actually thought it was a good game?
He actually thought he played well going for an expansion first in the one map zerg can get walled by 3 pylons, and even after not cancelling his hatch? ''Woww, wasn't expecting that one, MC, sweet move, geegee!''.
Please, it's obvious to EVERYONE that idra only gg's to players he consider equal/superior than him, regardless of cheese/map/race/etc. I bet he went to the boxer match thinking ''ima trolling this fool''.
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On June 14 2011 16:22 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:17 Dibond wrote:On June 14 2011 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:As for IdrA not GGing... IdrA gg's if he feels it was a good game. The early rushes are rarely good games in his book, so he doesn't gg. I'm surprised people don't grasp this by now. This. I don't gg either if I don't think it literally was a good game. If I feel like I've played badly I don't gg, because it wasn't a gg. It was half a gg. I didn't hold up my end. Or, if the other player cheeses or rushes or whatever, it's probably not a good game either. He didn't hold up his end. Yeah, this is definitely the reason Idra didn't GG. Idra seems like a really nice guy and I guarantee you he has all the respect in the world for what Boxer is/has done for eSports. There wasn't likely any malice at all in him not GG'ing, it was 2 proxy racks rushes so I'm sure he just felt like they were poor games. Hmmm, so, when idra gg'ed MC after getting walled and canon rushed in tal'darin he actually thought it was a good game? He actually thought he played well going for an expansion first in the one map zerg can get walled by 3 pylons, and even after not cancelling his hatch? ''Woww, wasn't expecting that one, MC, sweet move, geegee!''. Please, it's obvious to EVERYONE that idra only gg's to players he consider equal/superior than him, regardless of cheese/map/race/etc. I bet he went to the boxer match thinking ''ima trolling this fool''.
People should really stop trying so hard.
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