EPTI also wish Idra the best. The real problem is sc2 itself imo. The game itself is just not what BW was. It's different, which isn't necessarily bad, but it isn't different in a good way. There are too many flaws to it. I'm not going to go in depth because I don't have the time, but the game just isn't good enough in quality. I feel..
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I also wish Idra the best. The real problem is sc2 itself imo. The game itself is just not what BW was. It's different, which isn't necessarily bad, but it isn't different in a good way. There are too many flaws to it. I'm not going to go in depth because I don't have the time, but the game just isn't good enough in quality. I feel.. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:50 Incognoto wrote: I had my first Idra dream. I don't know, thought I'd share. I also wish Idra the best. The real problem is sc2 itself imo. The game itself is just not what BW was. It's different, which isn't necessarily bad, but it isn't different in a good way. There are too many flaws to it. I'm not going to go in depth because I don't have the time, but the game just isn't good enough in quality. I feel.. has been discussed to death... that's why we won't see a bonjwa in sc2 unluckily for flash and JD they won't be considered 'greats'... best player currently(absolute current win likelihood) in sc2 is considered MC/taeja??? their status is held only by very recent tournaments, and MC is already falling off since losing GSL | ||
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:55 ThePlayer33 wrote: has been discussed to death... that's why we won't see a bonjwa in sc2 unluckily for flash and JD they won't be considered 'greats'... best player currently(absolute current win likelihood) in sc2 is considered MC/taeja??? their status is held only by very recent tournaments, and MC is already falling off since losing GSL When you play only in ProLeague, MSL and OSL and you can have bonjwa. But when you have GSL, GSTL, MLG, Dreamhack, IPL, NASL, IEM, WCS(or Blizzcon) it is hard to have one player dominate in all of these tournaments. More players, more tournaments, different tournament formats, traveling around the world etc.. I think the game ok-ish (can be better ofc!). I don't think "bonjwa" is necessity in sc2. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:28 vanhio wrote: When you play only in ProLeague, MSL and OSL and you can have bonjwa. But when you have GSL, GSTL, MLG, Dreamhack, IPL, NASL, IEM, WCS(or Blizzcon) it is hard to have one player dominate in all of these tournaments. More players, more tournaments, different tournament formats, traveling around the world etc.. I think the game ok-ish (can be better ofc!). I don't think "bonjwa" is necessity in sc2. I aggre, we wont have Bonjwa because there are to many tournaments. I mean if you got into MSL/OSL(huge feat already) you would always have a tough bracket no matter what because every player in those leauges were bad ass. Winning such tournaments back to back was a fucking inhuman feat. We will have dominant players sure, like Taeja right now. Most dominant we have ever had is MVP but even he is falling off a bit. (well, winning a GSL recently but at HSC he played bad, I wonder if he did not have any injury he might have been even more dominant.) Speaking about MVP and IdrA, am I the only one who keeps rewatching Artosis cast of that game on youtube? It is so good. has been discussed to death... that's why we won't see a bonjwa in sc2 unluckily for flash and JD they won't be considered 'greats'... best player currently(absolute current win likelihood) in sc2 is considered MC/taeja??? their status is held only by very recent tournaments, and MC is already falling off since losing GS Yeah about that... | ||
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
This is just silly, it is just a matter of time ! | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:50 Incognoto wrote: I had my first Idra dream. I don't know, thought I'd share. . share your dream! | ||
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IronyDK
Denmark142 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:55 ThePlayer33 wrote: has been discussed to death... that's why we won't see a bonjwa in sc2 unluckily for flash and JD they won't be considered 'greats'... best player currently(absolute current win likelihood) in sc2 is considered MC/taeja??? their status is held only by very recent tournaments, and MC is already falling off since losing GSL Huh wonder what you thought of MVP's dominance throughout 2011? He won 9 tournaments (3 being gsl's). You'll notice that a lot of the top tier players have been the same since about game release until recently (MVP/Nestea/MC). I mean jesus do you really think there would even be a bonjwa in bw if all the top players played in many many tournaments? Do you really think they could do MSL/OSL(back when MSL existed)/proleague/MLG/Europe/etc. I think people seem to forget that sc2 has shown its dominant players (again mvp/nestea/mc and drg/mkp went through a role for first half of 2012). In short? You dont' know what you are talking about. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
it's a bit weird but then again all dreams are weird. iirc i was shopping at walmart and i see idra and some other EG player, which I believe was Huk, buying pokemon cards. not kidding.. so i walk up to them and for some apparent reason i knew them beforehand, because i just casually stood there while idra unwrapped the cards he bought (for some reason he was unwrapping them in aisle, but he hadn't stolen them or anything). so after unwrapping them he gives them to Huk who then proceeds to show me the cards. first card was a charizard and he showed me a few others. one of them was i THINK a fire type koffing who was insane (and holigraphic), almost as powerful as the charizard. and it was japanese. i think that's probably the weirdest part of the dream. after that huk says something about the cards being really expensive and that if idra wants to convert himself into pokemon he needs to find a cheaper source for the cards. then i woke up and genuinely regretted not asking idra for an autograph, even if it was just a dream | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:49 blade55555 wrote: Huh wonder what you thought of MVP's dominance throughout 2011? He won 9 tournaments (3 being gsl's). You'll notice that a lot of the top tier players have been the same since about game release until recently (MVP/Nestea/MC). I mean jesus do you really think there would even be a bonjwa in bw if all the top players played in many many tournaments? Do you really think they could do MSL/OSL(back when MSL existed)/proleague/MLG/Europe/etc. I think people seem to forget that sc2 has shown its dominant players (again mvp/nestea/mc and drg/mkp went through a role for first half of 2012). In short? You dont' know what you are talking about. no in short you dont know what your talking about the closest anyones ever come to being Bonjwa in SC2 is when NesTea all-killed a GSL Bonjwa is a lot harder to get then jsut being dominant | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On August 17 2012 07:08 Forikorder wrote: no in short you dont know what your talking about the closest anyones ever come to being Bonjwa in SC2 is when NesTea all-killed a GSL Bonjwa is a lot harder to get then jsut being dominant What a clueless reply MVP dominated for a few months that's as close as you'll ever get Banjos aren't forced Unless they're Haypro On a side note Forikorder calling blade5555 out on being uninformed when on the contrary he's one of the smartest posters I've ever seen on TL is actually kind of sad Forik considering the time I've seen you arrive at the fanclub up to now you've posted some pretty questionable stuff at times therefore please don't try to pretend you are more informed when you clearly aren't | ||
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HotGlueGun
United States1409 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On August 17 2012 07:08 Forikorder wrote: no in short you dont know what your talking about the closest anyones ever come to being Bonjwa in SC2 is when NesTea all-killed a GSL Bonjwa is a lot harder to get then jsut being dominant Dude, a bonjwa is dominant over a long period of time, not just 1 really domintant showing. So yes, Blade is correct and you don't know what you're talking about | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 17 2012 08:52 Aocowns wrote: Dude, a bonjwa is dominant over a long period of time, not just 1 really domintant showing. So yes, Blade is correct and you don't know what you're talking about i didnt say nestea was a bonjwa jsut that i dont think anyone in SC2 has shown the sort of dominacne i associate with Bonjwa | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
but that just means IdrA can be the first sc2 bonjwa | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:17 Forikorder wrote: i didnt say nestea was a bonjwa jsut that i dont think anyone in SC2 has shown the sort of dominacne i associate with Bonjwa The universally accepted definition of a bonjwa is a player who dominated the scene for a long time = What Blade said, and the closest in SC2 was Mvp. Why would you have your own definition of bonjwa? You basically said Blade didn't know what he was talking about, but then your post shows that you are equally ignorant to me, so please tell me your definition of bonjwa, I'm kinda interested now lol | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
"Bonjwa" is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft: Brood Wars / StarCraft 2 scene for a long period of time. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and successive title wins. However, a bonjwa is not defined by his statistics or records. Rather, a general consensus is reached that he is the most dominant progamer of his era. For Brood War era Bonjwas - check here. Currently no SC2 player was considered a Bonjwa, though 2011 Mvp was closest to being one. i dont think anyones won 2 GSLs back to back, and noones ever looks immortal for more then one GSL so i wouldnt call anyone really dominate enough to be considered a bonjwa | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:51 Forikorder wrote: i dont think anyones won 2 GSLs back to back, and noones ever looks immortal for more then one GSL so i wouldnt call anyone really dominate enough to be considered a bonjwa No that's what everyone said to begin with, Mvp was the one to come closest, then you started saying Nestea was the one to come closest after calling Blade ignorant -.- | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:55 Aocowns wrote: No that's what everyone said to begin with, Mvp was the one to come closest, then you started saying Nestea was the one to come closest after calling Blade ignorant -.- Blade was implying that MVP should be considered a Bonjwa for his performance in 2011 when its clear noone has shown the level of dominance needed to become a bonjwa, maybe if he won every GSL in 2011 and maybe a foreign tournament or two he could be called bonjwa | ||
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Crake_
United States74 Posts
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