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On November 11 2015 08:08 Sentenal wrote:
So what does look high budget to you, Toad?
I don't think there really is high budget in TV anime to the point that it's so outlandish that it makes that much of a difference tbh. Just to make sure once again before I go more into this (as it's 1am and I have to wake up 7am...) you guys don't misunderstand what I was trying to get at
On November 11 2015 02:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Got to say OPM is pretty godly. [...] It looks good for sure [tl;dr: BUT I don't think it's a matter of throwing money at it] is basicly what I said right? So imo it's like what Numy said, they're doing good because they're good at what they're doing. If you throw money at it it generally looks more ... idk, balanced?
Take Shaft stuff for example. Mekaku City actors is probably what I'd call low budget for animation simply for the fact that they've (probably) spent all their money on VAs and hiring people to sing.
Bakemonogatari looks decent but honestly not all that great and if you go back to stuff pre-Bake it doesn't look all that good either. Not that it's bad but it's not "OMAGAWD".
Now Bakemonogatari happens, Shaft gets rich and with that you get Nisemonogatari (and everything afterwards) that just looks way better in comparison to Bake (and Nise and s2 do look glorious), in pretty much all aspects. That's the kind of "we'll throw money at it" I'm not really seeing for OPM. Again to me it looks like people trying to make it awesome rather than an abundance of money to make everything perfect.
There obviously is low budget stuff like the aforementioned Himouto and so on but I'd assume that all those big, famous shows orbit around the same level of budget.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Uhm it's quite obvious when something is high budget or not. Compare the One Piece Strong World or w/e movie to the usual anime episodes.
Or just watch like, ufotable's Fate stuff and compare that to the old Fate/stay.night.
OPM is a major exception, not something you should base any examples off of.
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I can't tell if majestic prince was high budget or that orange studio is just fucking godly.
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On November 11 2015 09:02 Souma wrote:
Uhm it's quite obvious when something is high budget or not. Compare the One Piece Strong World or w/e movie to the usual anime episodes.
Or just watch like, ufotable's Fate stuff and compare that to the old Fate/stay.night.
OPM is a major exception, not something you should base any examples off of.
yeah I don't think sent wanted to hear about movies and have them compared to TV shows. So left that out.
And yeah I'd agree there are those shows with lots of budget but I don't think the difference between them is all that big. UBW, mono2, SAO and whatnot obviously get more money than your rnd idk-anime. That being said NGNL & Magic jesus probably had more budget than OPM to stay within Madhouse
iirc a frenchman was responsible for the colorful design in NGNL sent hates so much. Saw an interview with him some time ago 
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The difference is generally quite big and noticeable though. OPEN YOUR EYES TOAD!
You need both a budget and a good production company obviously. UBW is much better than its fsn counterpart.
Also stuff like Monogatari/Nisekoi look way better than other similar things.
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My comparison is that if someone told me OPM was high budget i would believe it
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OPM is a very big exception. Honestly from what I've read it just looks like the people working on the show are just spending a lot more time and effort on it despite not receiving the funding to warrant it.
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On November 11 2015 09:17 Souma wrote:
The difference is generally quite big and noticeable though. OPEN YOUR EYES TOAD!
You need both a budget and a good production company obviously. UBW is much better than its fsn counterpart.
Also stuff like Monogatari/Nisekoi look way better than other similar things.
"but I don't think the difference between them is all that big. " = I don't think the difference between/within those [for a lack of a better term] 'flagship' anime's is all that big if you were to compare them. They're all "high budget" but not like a fucking The Wind Rises comparison to random-seasonal anime "high budget".
Compare Mono2/Nise to similar stuff within that genre rather than shows like UBW? Yeah there's obviously huge differences there.
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I feel like you're changing your messaging from
I don't think there really is high budget in TV anime to the point that it's so outlandish that it makes that much of a difference tbh.
to whatever you're saying now.
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On November 11 2015 09:39 Souma wrote:I feel like you're changing your messaging from Show nested quote +I don't think there really is high budget in TV anime to the point that it's so outlandish that it makes that much of a difference tbh. to whatever you're saying now.
I gave examples of what I'd call high budget within TV animation up there: Nise, Mono2, NGNL, UBW, SAO because Sent asked. When I typed what you quoted I was thinking about wether or not I should include movies or not, like you did, and decided against it because I figured that's not what Sent is going for.
With that in mind I thought the difference between high-quality-movie vs high-quality-TV-Anime and high-quality-TV vs average-quality-TV doesn't deserve a title thus I opened up with what you just quoted.
/edit ^ The difference in the 2nd one isn't big enough to warrant one if you were to include Movies (was still in my head at that point in time)
I literally compared Nisemonogatari to Bakemonogatari (and pre-Bake stuff) and said the difference in animation is throwing money at it in the very post you just quoted and that it makes Nise and Mono2 look glorious. So I surely acknowledged that there is a difference, didn't I?
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UBW was visual trickery, NGNL was visual trickery for people with bad taste, and SAO looked really nice, but IDK how it looks any better than OPM.
On November 11 2015 09:06 IceHism wrote:
I can't tell if majestic prince was high budget or that orange studio is just fucking godly.
Orange is just fucking godly. The only studio who can pull off CGI. Apparently they went all out on MJP to try and earn themselves more work. Which worked, I think.
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Owarimonogatari 6
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I don't remember them specifying how long the mother was locked up in the room but she seriously deteriorated? Doesn't it take a long time before a body to fully deteriorate? Maybe that will come up next episode. It just seemed weird.
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On November 11 2015 09:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 09:39 Souma wrote:I feel like you're changing your messaging from I don't think there really is high budget in TV anime to the point that it's so outlandish that it makes that much of a difference tbh. to whatever you're saying now. I gave examples of what I'd call high budget within TV animation up there: Nise, Mono2, NGNL, UBW, SAO because Sent asked. When I typed what you quoted I was thinking about wether or not I should include movies or not, like you did, and decided against it because I figured that's not what Sent is going for. With that in mind I thought the difference between high-quality-movie vs high-quality-TV-Anime and high-quality-TV vs average-quality-TV doesn't deserve a title thus I opened up with what you just quoted. /edit ^ The difference in the 2nd one isn't big enough to warrant one if you were to include Movies (was still in my head at that point in time) I literally compared Nisemonogatari to Bakemonogatari (and pre-Bake stuff) and said the difference in animation is throwing money at it in the very post you just quoted and that it makes Nise and Mono2 look glorious. So I surely acknowledged that there is a difference, didn't I?
What're you trying to say then? I'M SO CONFUSED.
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On November 11 2015 10:23 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 09:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 11 2015 09:39 Souma wrote:I feel like you're changing your messaging from I don't think there really is high budget in TV anime to the point that it's so outlandish that it makes that much of a difference tbh. to whatever you're saying now. I gave examples of what I'd call high budget within TV animation up there: Nise, Mono2, NGNL, UBW, SAO because Sent asked. When I typed what you quoted I was thinking about wether or not I should include movies or not, like you did, and decided against it because I figured that's not what Sent is going for. With that in mind I thought the difference between high-quality-movie vs high-quality-TV-Anime and high-quality-TV vs average-quality-TV doesn't deserve a title thus I opened up with what you just quoted. /edit ^ The difference in the 2nd one isn't big enough to warrant one if you were to include Movies (was still in my head at that point in time) I literally compared Nisemonogatari to Bakemonogatari (and pre-Bake stuff) and said the difference in animation is throwing money at it in the very post you just quoted and that it makes Nise and Mono2 look glorious. So I surely acknowledged that there is a difference, didn't I? What're you trying to say then? I'M SO CONFUSED.
I was trying to please Sent with wording so that I can go to bed and didn't realize the first phrase makes no sense without writing another walloftext
tl,dr: the last part i quoted: omagawd monogatari s2 so gud
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On November 11 2015 10:19 Sterlymobile wrote:Owarimonogatari 6 + Show Spoiler +
I don't remember them specifying how long the mother was locked up in the room but she seriously deteriorated? Doesn't it take a long time before a body to fully deteriorate? Maybe that will come up next episode. It just seemed weird.
+ Show Spoiler +It varies based on a number of factors, and would not smell that good. As in, people four houses down wondering about it. But then it's possible she didn't fully deteriorate so much as she somehow got thrown out. Not sure. It's anime, so the fact that her mother is probably hanging out with Amami-dono and the roll call samurai means the body question is a little vague. I imagine it has less importance than you'd think except as relates to Araragi's development.
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On November 11 2015 10:33 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 10:19 Sterlymobile wrote:Owarimonogatari 6 + Show Spoiler +
I don't remember them specifying how long the mother was locked up in the room but she seriously deteriorated? Doesn't it take a long time before a body to fully deteriorate? Maybe that will come up next episode. It just seemed weird.
+ Show Spoiler +It varies based on a number of factors, and would not smell that good. As in, people four houses down wondering about it. But then it's possible she didn't fully deteriorate so much as she somehow got thrown out. Not sure. It's anime, so the fact that her mother is probably hanging out with Amami-dono and the roll call samurai means the body question is a little vague. I imagine it has less importance than you'd think except as relates to Araragi's development.
+ Show Spoiler [Owarimonogatari] +I thought it was fairly obvious that the actions and events in the Monogatari Series are never 100% the way the are depicted or described. The Second Season should have hammered that point home quite nicely, I think. They are supposed to be abstract constructs, events observed through the eyes of a young person.
When Araragi is fighting his sister in Nisemonogatari and they level the entire part of the city in the process, they are not actually leveling the entire part of the city. Just because we don't see other people apart from the characters drawn in the Monogatari Series, doesn't mean that the actors are the only humans who populate the earth. And the same rules apply here.
It is, of course, open to your interpretation as to what level her mother deteriorated or whether the events happened exactly like that in the first place. It is not even unlikely that her mother is actually still alive and that her described death only serves as a metaphor for her traumatically severed connection.
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On November 11 2015 12:52 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 10:33 felisconcolori wrote:On November 11 2015 10:19 Sterlymobile wrote:Owarimonogatari 6 + Show Spoiler +
I don't remember them specifying how long the mother was locked up in the room but she seriously deteriorated? Doesn't it take a long time before a body to fully deteriorate? Maybe that will come up next episode. It just seemed weird.
+ Show Spoiler +It varies based on a number of factors, and would not smell that good. As in, people four houses down wondering about it. But then it's possible she didn't fully deteriorate so much as she somehow got thrown out. Not sure. It's anime, so the fact that her mother is probably hanging out with Amami-dono and the roll call samurai means the body question is a little vague. I imagine it has less importance than you'd think except as relates to Araragi's development. + Show Spoiler [Owarimonogatari] +I thought it was fairly obvious that the actions and events in the Monogatari Series are never 100% the way the are depicted or described. The Second Season should have hammered that point home quite nicely, I think. They are supposed to be abstract constructs, events observed through the eyes of a young person.
When Araragi is fighting his sister in Nisemonogatari and they level the entire part of the city in the process, they are not actually leveling the entire part of the city. Just because we don't see other people apart from the characters drawn in the Monogatari Series, doesn't mean that the actors are the only humans who populate the earth. And the same rules apply here.
It is, of course, open to your interpretation as to what level her mother deteriorated or whether the events happened exactly like that in the first place. It is not even unlikely that her mother is actually still alive and that her described death only serves as a metaphor for her traumatically severed connection.
Maybe, but does it really matter aside for the reason I raised? + Show Spoiler +It provided Araragi further development; Sodachi from this point on seems unlikely to be all that important to the overall story. Does the state of her mother really matter?
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yaaay it's mikakoshi's birthday today! happykoshi~!
it's also pocky day....
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TLADT24920 Posts
Funny discussion. It's true that some shows such as Nisekoi do look better than other similar shows but meh, what really matters is how captivating the story is. If the story stinks, well, I don't really care much for the graphics lol. Also, OPM is fantastic. A must watch and overall, it's pretty well done. Everything from the main characters and their personalities to the settings to the different monsters etc...
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generally its more about the art style and the design aesthetic of the characters/world. As long as the animation doesn't have any glaring issues then its just a bonus when its really well done or pretty for me.
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