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On October 06 2014 16:28 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 15:12 Spazer wrote:Sora no Method ep 1 was pretty awful. Shit drama is shit. UBW ep 0 had a lot of random stuff. I kinda feel like they could've cut a lot of the school bits, but I guess it's a decent intro. + Show Spoiler [VN spoilers(?)] +The heck was with the meeting between Sakura and Gil? I guess Grisasia is gonna do omnibus or something? They're hinting at way too much for me to believe otherwise. At least the animation is better than I expected. Mitcher Mitcher That UBW VN spoiler is copy pasted from the VN, so I don't get the confusion. The entire episode was basically the VN prologue animated, really. Grisaia seems to want to be all serious from the start. I hope they don't cut too many comedy skits. Please Juicy Yuuji.
I guess I just don't remember that part? I dunno, just seems kinda odd for those two to be meeting.
On October 06 2014 23:21 FFGenerations wrote:you are wrong sir
I'm afraid my appetite for trite drama has grown rather thin over the years.
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On October 06 2014 18:27 Numy wrote:
Virgin pandering lol what.
their basis for sex sounds like the premise of an hentai or some shit. but I guess fsn actually is an eroge so whatever
On October 06 2014 19:59 AbareKiller wrote:Fate routes introduce the characters, Shirou's ideal and the background that led to it. UBW deconstruct that ideal, the hypocrisy behind it, and reaffirms it HF throws the ideal out the window, and show the consequences behind that action. UBW and HF both have major character development, but lead it in completely separate way. UBW takes the optimistic route, HF takes the pessimistic one. Ultimately, they both offer a solid conclusion to the story. + Show Spoiler + I don't really like how HF Shirou is the one that ended up with the best conclusion (alive and well, lovers at his side, fucking every night), even though he effectively condemned the entire town, and the entire world if Angry Manjew ended up being born to death. But that's just me And the best anime only route is UBW (UFotable) > HF (Ufotable) > Fate/Zero. DEEN and Fate route be damned. The route is already average enough without DEEN fucking it up. Don't even bother, the adaption is that bad
I guess I'll give it a try, thanks.
how long is the typical route, give or take ~15 hours?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
IIRC all it is in the VN is that Shirou walks the streets after returning from Kotomine/Church(or mb earlier/later) and sees a blonde dude(we know who he is) and Sakura. Its not really that significant in UBW anyway.
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On October 07 2014 01:52 andyrau wrote:their basis for sex sounds like the premise of an hentai or some shit. but I guess fsn actually is an eroge so whatever Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 19:59 AbareKiller wrote:Fate routes introduce the characters, Shirou's ideal and the background that led to it. UBW deconstruct that ideal, the hypocrisy behind it, and reaffirms it HF throws the ideal out the window, and show the consequences behind that action. UBW and HF both have major character development, but lead it in completely separate way. UBW takes the optimistic route, HF takes the pessimistic one. Ultimately, they both offer a solid conclusion to the story. + Show Spoiler + I don't really like how HF Shirou is the one that ended up with the best conclusion (alive and well, lovers at his side, fucking every night), even though he effectively condemned the entire town, and the entire world if Angry Manjew ended up being born to death. But that's just me And the best anime only route is UBW (UFotable) > HF (Ufotable) > Fate/Zero. DEEN and Fate route be damned. The route is already average enough without DEEN fucking it up. Don't even bother, the adaption is that bad I guess I'll give it a try, thanks. how long is the typical route, give or take ~15 hours?
The sex scenes are just bad, whoever wrote them is an idiot or is clearly just pandering because almost everything about them is stupid and not an actual representation of how sex is and they don't do women any favors in the portrayal. Yes the reason is also contrived as fuck, but they are pretty far and few in between (I think 1 in UBW 2 in Fate and like 3-4ish in HF?). When I played I spent like 25ish hours per route, but I did go through slower and do everything to get all the bad ends etc.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Its in their to sell, not much more then that and is not entirely relevant(as a plot device).
It shows the value in Sakura tho.
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Maybe I'm just weird but I thought mana transfer through sex was one of the least offensive sex reasons I've read. Well I guess the reccent list includes some redneck style father on daughter , post rape "trick savior into sex so he thinks it's his baby if I have one", woman seducing politicians in city to gain favor , noble girl taken prisoner to work in prisoner island sleeps with any authority figure to save her skin, list goes on.
At least mana transfer is consensual and not really tragic. It may be forced in the story but it could have been forced and tragic which would suck a bit more. Better that than some completely out of story forced scene with I dunno worms maybe knowing nasuverse. Like the Kara no Kyoukai ep 2 was so harsh it left me feeling kind of sick at times, she didn't have to go through all that to be broken when she already was broken.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I didn't think the Mana transfer was offensive or anything, iirc having semen or sex as a form of mana/lifeforce is not like a completly foreign concept in fantasy/myths//rituals/history etc.
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Haven't tried watching any of that Fate/stay anime so far. Dunno. Seems popular on TL though'?
So far I have tried 3 new animes:
Terra Formars => Pretty decent but lots of censoring, though it'd probably be a little bit too bloody. Will keep watching.
Madan no Ou to Vanadis => Very decent first episode. Hope it keeps being good.
Shingeki no Bahamut => First episode was very good. I kinda like the main character as well. He's a bit of a douche, but entertaining nonetheless.
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On October 07 2014 02:36 Kipsate wrote:
I didn't think the Mana transfer was offensive or anything, iirc having semen or sex as a form of mana/lifeforce is not like a completly foreign concept in fantasy/myths//rituals/history etc.
I think the "meh" thing about it was the idea of Shirou somehow having the mana to transfer through sex but not through their link (when it was established he had shit for mana so he couldn't give her any). That and them trying to say that mana is concentrated in semen when its something that is supposed to circulate through the body so blood would make a lot more sense but hey you can't have sexy times with blood letting.
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yes Madan_no_O_To_Vanadisu looks decent. this season looks really good i am potentially chasing like 5 animes.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I mean, I am not denying that it was a plot device and obligatory fan service, but its not THAT ridicilous and a lot of VN's have the mandatory H-scenes..
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On October 07 2014 02:47 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:36 Kipsate wrote:
I didn't think the Mana transfer was offensive or anything, iirc having semen or sex as a form of mana/lifeforce is not like a completly foreign concept in fantasy/myths//rituals/history etc. I think the "meh" thing about it was the idea of Shirou somehow having the mana to transfer through sex but not through their link (when it was established he had shit for mana so he couldn't give her any). That and them trying to say that mana is concentrated in semen when its something that is supposed to circulate through the body so blood would make a lot more sense but hey you can't have sexy times with blood letting.
The reason why he couldn't give mana was not because he had none, but because the summoning was fucked up. Remember all the fancy stuff Rin did in first ep? Shirou did none of that and Saber just popped out, so quite a few screws were loose.
TBH you guys have more objection against sex in FSN than all the girls I know who played the VN (and there are a lot of them, my gf included) combined.
On October 07 2014 02:41 HolydaKing wrote:
Haven't tried watching any of that Fate/stay anime so far. Dunno. Seems popular on TL though'?
It isn't that it's popular on TL, F/SN is one of the most popular visual novel ever produced. But previous F/SN anime were all pretty bad.
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lmao I didn't find anything offensive I just thought it was corny as hell and lazy pandering
its like something retarded you come across and it makes you roll your eyes like 'wow this cant be life'
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Wait, all the magic and hero from history popping out didn't tip you off and sex, which is like the most common thing besides eat and sleep, did?
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that's an awful straw man lol
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The only truly offensive thing about FSN sex scenes is that there was no money shot.
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back then everyone went to play fsn was mostly due to the it is typemoon ie the most popular adult VN producer lol. i played through the fate route and one more route i think it was the ubw happy end because i loved rin so much, and since i watched UBW movie it is hard to be bothered to watch the prolonged series.
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Well, sex itself, is not bad or could be a good plot device if done properly.
That said, even many TM fans acknowledge the sex scenes are not up to the standards of the VN as a whole. No wonder it has been constantly attacked as its one obvious weak link in an overall high quality production.
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On October 07 2014 03:05 andyrau wrote:
that's an awful straw man lol
That can't be a strawman because you didn't present an argument that can be distracted from.
On October 07 2014 03:14 mofuli wrote:
Well, sex itself, is not bad or could be a good plot device if done properly.
That said, even many TM fans acknowledge the sex scenes are not up to the standards of the VN as a whole. No wonder it has been constantly attacked as its one obvious weak link in an overall high quality production.
I think the Fate / UBW routes are fine, as they have a common theme: link with Saber / Rin, both magical and emotional, also fits in the historical sex before battle practice. HF H scenes on the other hand are just random.
On October 07 2014 03:13 BurningSera wrote:
back then everyone went to play fsn was mostly due to the it is typemoon ie the most popular adult VN producer lol. i played through the fate route and one more route i think it was the ubw happy end because i loved rin so much, and since i watched UBW movie it is hard to be bothered to watch the prolonged series.
You loved Rin and settle for a incredibly condensed movie? Dis guy...
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On October 07 2014 03:15 ragz_gt wrote:That can't be a strawman because you didn't present an argument that can be distracted from.
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I said the premise for the sex scenes was corny & pandering, not the actual use of sex as a plot device or trope. then you gave a construed offbase response suggesting that I found the use of sex more distracting than magic or fictional historical heroes popping up.
I don't give a shit about the the actual use of erotica/h-content in this context as it's an eroge anyways, but it makes for a weak story when the author's priorities seemed to be arbitrarily introducing sex first and then giving a contrived reason for it afterwards.
funny tho, you actually addressed my point in your other reply but it wasn't one directed to me.
On October 07 2014 03:15 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:14 mofuli wrote:
Well, sex itself, is not bad or could be a good plot device if done properly.
That said, even many TM fans acknowledge the sex scenes are not up to the standards of the VN as a whole. No wonder it has been constantly attacked as its one obvious weak link in an overall high quality production.
I think the Fate / UBW routes are fine, as they have a common theme: link with Saber / Rin, both as magical and emotional, also fits in the historical sex before battle practice. HF H scenes on the other hand are just random.
I still find it corny
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