EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 4237
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Ecael
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ragz_gt
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On October 07 2014 03:35 andyrau wrote: ? I said the premise for the sex scenes was corny & pandering, not the actual use of sex as a plot device or trope. then you gave a construed offbase response suggesting that I found the use of sex more distracting than magic or fictional historical heroes popping up. I don't give a shit about the the actual use of erotica/h-content in this context as it's an eroge anyways, but it makes for a weak story when the author's priorities seemed to be arbitrarily introducing sex first and then giving a contrived reason for it afterwards. funny tho, you actually addressed my point in your other reply but it wasn't one directed to me. I still find it corny But that's not what you said. What you said is that: On October 07 2014 03:02 andyrau wrote: lmao I didn't find anything offensive I just thought it was corny as hell and lazy pandering its like something retarded you come across and it makes you roll your eyes like 'wow this cant be life' With no elaboration or explanation, simply means "sex in F/SN make you think 'wow this cant be life'", which my response was completely appropriate to. It might not be what you meant, but we ain't mind readers here. | ||
Kipsate
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andyrau
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On October 07 2014 03:45 ragz_gt wrote: But that's not what you said. What you said is that: With no elaboration or explanation, simply means "sex in F/SN make you think 'wow this cant be life'", which my response was completely appropriate to. It might not be what you meant, but we ain't mind readers here. oh lol you probably didn't see/read my posts from earlier i think + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2014 18:23 andyrau wrote: sex itself isn't really an issue. I hate sounding condescending and overly critical considering the retarded animes I find amusing/entertaining, but I just think it's actually embarrassing that the author chose to use it as a virgin pandering vehicle disguised as plot device. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On October 07 2014 03:15 ragz_gt wrote: That can't be a strawman because you didn't present an argument that can be distracted from. I think the Fate / UBW routes are fine, as they have a common theme: link with Saber / Rin, both magical and emotional, also fits in the historical sex before battle practice. HF H scenes on the other hand are just random. You loved Rin and settle for a incredibly condensed movie? Dis guy... Loved, past tense haha. after i watched UBW i realized that rin is not as cute as the rin in my memory so i just lost the motivation to watch more Fate series. Maybe half due to FZ was so well done. My taste nowadays is more on to the like likes Rider + Show Spoiler + (in which we all know how limited of her scenes in ubw) | ||
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Ecael
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So the question is, would you care less if the sex is thrown in there randomly just for the purpose of having sex. Or would you prefer the author at least making an attempt to tie it in? | ||
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ragz_gt
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On October 07 2014 03:52 andyrau wrote: oh lol you probably didn't see/read my posts from earlier i think + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2014 18:23 andyrau wrote: sex itself isn't really an issue. I hate sounding condescending and overly critical considering the retarded animes I find amusing/entertaining, but I just think it's actually embarrassing that the author chose to use it as a virgin pandering vehicle disguised as plot device. That does make more sense, certainly true in HF. On October 07 2014 03:46 Kipsate wrote: Curry is the worst. The funny thing is that Curry has a lot of interesting potentials that just were never explored. And Nanako | ||
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Slaughter
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 07 2014 03:54 Ecael wrote: Meh, you are going to get sex invariably, particular from when a company can't expect to survive purely on consumer version sales. Notice how T-M has been weaning off ero content now that it doesn't need to care. So the question is, would you care less if the sex is thrown in there randomly just for the purpose of having sex. Or would you prefer the author at least making an attempt to tie it in? You don't always have to explicitly show sex while still having a lot of sex in a story. Often times showing the aftermath of a forced encounter is potentially more compelling than explicitly showing the encounter. I don't mind it either way but I can understand why some people may not want it. I think it's pretty hard to have an adult story involving conflict and fighting without any sex in it. Sex just tends to gravitate to those kind of situations more than others. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On October 07 2014 03:54 Ecael wrote: Meh, you are going to get sex invariably, particular from when a company can't expect to survive purely on consumer version sales. Notice how T-M has been weaning off ero content now that it doesn't need to care. So the question is, would you care less if the sex is thrown in there randomly just for the purpose of having sex. Or would you prefer the author at least making an attempt to tie it in? Just make the sscenes not so cringeworthy level of bad and it wouldn't be much of a problem that they are there. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
TM vn/games are notably known to be hard (to get to the H scenes *cough*) but it seems like the harder the game the more rewarding it felt for the players and then obviously TM does have some genius in creating some interesting/highly moe characters. | ||
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andyrau
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SEX SELLS i guess On October 07 2014 03:54 Ecael wrote: Meh, you are going to get sex invariably, particular from when a company can't expect to survive purely on consumer version sales. Notice how T-M has been weaning off ero content now that it doesn't need to care. So the question is, would you care less if the sex is thrown in there randomly just for the purpose of having sex. Or would you prefer the author at least making an attempt to tie it in? if it's thrown in randomly you might as well make a hentai if it's supposed to be part of the plot i'd certainly hope they made an effort at integrating it into the story tbh i don't mind it either way | ||
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ragz_gt
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Ecael
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On October 07 2014 04:03 Numy wrote: You don't always have to explicitly show sex while still having a lot of sex in a story. Often times showing the aftermath of a forced encounter is potentially more compelling than explicitly showing the encounter. I don't mind it either way but I can understand why some people may not want it. I think it's pretty hard to have an adult story involving conflict and fighting without any sex in it. Sex just tends to gravitate to those kind of situations more than others. I am not even talking about the how to fit them into a story. I am talking about the insertion of explicit sex scenes to be r18 and get some sales. People are looking for something to fap to, you know. There is obviously nothing to complain about sex scenes themselves if they are actually worked into the product as a whole. On October 07 2014 04:09 andyrau wrote: lmao idk why this discussion focused so much on the ero scenes, it was just a minor plot thing that sounded retarded to me so i made a comment about it. SEX SELLS i guess if it's thrown in randomly you might as well make a hentai if it's supposed to be part of the plot i'd certainly hope they made an effort at integrating it into the story tbh i don't mind it either way They are ero games already at the point of you throwing in explicit sex scenes? | ||
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andyrau
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On October 07 2014 04:12 ragz_gt wrote: But both tsukihime and F/SN were h-games... i'm sure the studio didn't want its eroge to be purely h tho which is what i meant by hentai. isn't fsn is more about the plot than the hscenes? it's like how titanic was a rated r romance rather than a softcore flick, or how the dreamers was a rated nc17 drama rather than a porno, even though there were sex scenes in both. but I guess in this case fsn is an thriller masquerading as an eroge or some shit. point is, if you're throwing it in randomly you might as well go big or go home and make the hscenes the focus rather than an afterthought. type-moon tried to come up with some dumb reason for it so obviously they were trying to integrate it into the plot with awful execution. idk perhaps there's not an actual differentiation between the two genres, I'm probably making shit up. | ||
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ragz_gt
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Ecael
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Then there exists this gigantic middle area where explicit sex is inserted in a story for some purpose, usually to make it r18 and give people some reason to buy them. The focus is not on the sex by any means, but the sex is inserted anyway because gotta meet profit margins. That's probably what you called pandering. Sex sells, after all, and the fact that all these have visuals and voices attached often (lol t-m) might as well as be put to some use. On October 07 2014 04:38 ragz_gt wrote: Not sure if there is a difference, and it was first marketed as H game. There are all age version for PS2 but that was more because Sony's policy than anything else. Well consumer use stuff are always all age, but like we already went over in irc, things have a hard time making a hit in that sector so we end up with ports to save on development costs and to guarantee some level of sales. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Rin/Saber/Rider was my major motivation /_\ | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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Also, I finished Clannad and I didn't get to screw any girls pls | ||
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