Anime Discussion Thread - Page 2191

On July 13 2012 00:13 Kaal wrote:


I banned you because you were being an idiot, as well as offensive. "Japan has no morals" "Everyone in japan loves rape and tentacle porn" "That's just how it is in japan" etc.

And that's some of the tame comments. You were being an ass to the Japanese in IRC, as well as being an ass to pretty much everyone else.

Nobody hates BrTarolg except sent because he's a homophobe, Br just has self confidence problems. I'd count him as one of my favorite people from IRC. I love you Br :D

As for the matter of Subs vs Dubs. There are pretty much NO bad male Seiyuus, almost all of them are 10+ year veterans and some of them 20 or 30+ years. There are a LOT of horrible male english VAs, and many of the female voices are obnoxious as well. That's not to say there aren't GREAT dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Baccano and Dragonball Z are GREAT Dubs, and I would say the English and Spanish dubs of DBZ are better than their Japanese counterparts. Cardcaptor Sakura was also a good dub, though I doubt many have seen the dubbed version.

The issue with dubs vs subs is really the talentpool. Japan has veterans that are masters of their industry, and they have them in large numbers, while the English VA industry has very few veteran VAs because most of those companies pre-2007 didn't have the money to hire VAs to make their production what it should have been. Take Princess Mononoke, Billy Bob Thornton was one of the reasons my parents watched that film and they liked it because the VAs doing that movie were on another level of professionalism from 90% of most localized anime. That's the issue. It's not about understanding the language or being a Japanophile, it's about the talent.


Edit: I haven't banned Shauni because eventually he's going to become a serial rapist and I want to have evidence for the prosecution.

On July 13 2012 00:24 Zeke50100 wrote:
6 year old kids don't care too much about censorship.

On July 13 2012 00:35 Ecael wrote:

Then you get into the original product and go what is this homosexuality heaven. And incest too.

On July 13 2012 00:13 Kaal wrote:


I banned you because you were being an idiot, as well as offensive. "Japan has no morals" "Everyone in japan loves rape and tentacle porn" "That's just how it is in japan" etc.

And that's some of the tame comments. You were being an ass to the Japanese in IRC, as well as being an ass to pretty much everyone else.

Nobody hates BrTarolg except sent because he's a homophobe, Br just has self confidence problems. I'd count him as one of my favorite people from IRC. I love you Br :D

As for the matter of Subs vs Dubs. There are pretty much NO bad male Seiyuus, almost all of them are 10+ year veterans and some of them 20 or 30+ years. There are a LOT of horrible male english VAs, and many of the female voices are obnoxious as well. That's not to say there aren't GREAT dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Baccano and Dragonball Z are GREAT Dubs, and I would say the English and Spanish dubs of DBZ are better than their Japanese counterparts. Cardcaptor Sakura was also a good dub, though I doubt many have seen the dubbed version.

The issue with dubs vs subs is really the talentpool. Japan has veterans that are masters of their industry, and they have them in large numbers, while the English VA industry has very few veteran VAs because most of those companies pre-2007 didn't have the money to hire VAs to make their production what it should have been. Take Princess Mononoke, Billy Bob Thornton was one of the reasons my parents watched that film and they liked it because the VAs doing that movie were on another level of professionalism from 90% of most localized anime. That's the issue. It's not about understanding the language or being a Japanophile, it's about the talent.


Edit: I haven't banned Shauni because eventually he's going to become a serial rapist and I want to have evidence for the prosecution.

On July 13 2012 00:45 Dingotrold wrote:


Actually what I said was that I think Japan is so interesting because it seems to have no taboos. Might not make a difference to anyone but me (sure didn't at the time), but just to clear it up. The comments you 'quote' is an accurate portrayal of what my initial statement was construed as, and when I was asked to clarify, you told me to shut up and that nobody cared. But I don't blame you, I just think you should point out that people aren't allowed to offend you, intentionally or otherwise, in your channel before openly inviting people to join it.

EDIT: By the way, I tried explaining myself using Steamboy which was ridiculed, but now I am more educated and have examples more relevant to peoples interests. For instance, Euphemia in Code Geass.

On July 13 2012 00:45 Dingotrold wrote:


Actually what I said was that I think Japan is so interesting because it seems to have no taboos. Might not make a difference to anyone but me (sure didn't at the time), but just to clear it up. The comments you 'quote' is an accurate portrayal of what my initial statement was construed as, and when I was asked to clarify, you told me to shut up and that nobody cared. But I don't blame you, I just think you should point out that people aren't allowed to offend you, intentionally or otherwise, in your channel before openly inviting people to join it.

EDIT: By the way, I tried explaining myself using Steamboy which was ridiculed, but now I am more educated and have examples more relevant to peoples interests. For instance, Euphemia in Code Geass.

On July 13 2012 00:55 Ecael wrote:

Um considering the kind of stuff you see in Western films and books I am not sure how that's something close to being unique to Japan.

On July 13 2012 01:04 Dingotrold wrote:


Any examples? I can't remember the last time I saw something that dared to do something like that. Obviously there are countless films and books I have never encountered, but in my experience storytelling in the western world works quite differently.

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I just seem to find these things in anime, and at least in the current storytelling environment, I don't see anything equivalent to anime in terms of production value and willingness to explore anything.

EDIT: I think the point about A Serbian Film is the perfect example of misunderstanding what I am talking about, but I was never able to explain it in an acceptable way, obviously.

On July 13 2012 01:10 Ecael wrote:

So is your point that anime is fine with breaking what a character seems to stand for? Frankly you are not making much sense, but I still don't see what's so unique about that to Japan or anime.

On July 13 2012 01:12 Dingotrold wrote:


My point is supposed to be, that anime seems fine with anything, as long as it is interesting. And they have this MO in an environment which somehow allows absolutely breathtaking production value. I can't think of anywhere else where this combination exists.

On July 13 2012 01:12 Dingotrold wrote:


My point is supposed to be, that anime seems fine with anything, as long as it is interesting. And they have this MO in an environment which somehow allows absolutely breathtaking production value. I can't think of anywhere else where this combination exists.

On July 13 2012 01:20 Ecael wrote:

I don't know how you reached that conclusion, tbh. Anime fine with anything? We should see incest from OreImo any day now, doesn't seem to be happening. In terms of entertainment, look at GTA or Hitman, people seem to be plenty amused by theft, drug trafficking and assassinations. Awesome production value? The amount of money spent can't be compared to Western movie flicks, and with anime the production quality varies heavily from studio to studio.

Sounds to me like you just lack exposure and overthink things.

On July 13 2012 01:24 Rebs wrote:


uhhh,, just like every single kind of other entertainment media in existence maybe ? If your talking about tentacle shit thats about the only thing Ive noticed is unique to anime. Every other trope Ive encountered can be found everywhere in western, european or whatever media. Some of it is trash others are really good, some more mainstream then others but they are all there.

On July 13 2012 01:25 Dingotrold wrote:


I definitely overthink things, but the western movie flicks that have production value comparable to Code Geass or Fate/Zero would be Ice Age 4, Madagascar 3, Brave etc.

Theft, drug trafficking and assassinations have nothing to do with my point. I am not saying these things are taboo in storytelling, they are not. They are prevalent in almost any popular story you can think of. Violence is not a taboo, but the sympathy of the audience towards the story you are telling and the characters you are trying to portray very much so seems to be a taboo in Western storytelling, and it only gets further established as production values go up in my opinion.

On July 13 2012 01:29 Dingotrold wrote:


Please get over the tentacle shit, it's got nothing to do with my point. And every single kind of other entertainment first of all seems quite the exaggeration, but I feel a need again to point out that it's the combination of the willingness to go anywhere - seemingly out of nowhere and very, very thinly motivated - AND the ability to still maintain production value that rivals any family friendly western production. You can point to millions of examples of things doing one or the other, but not many that do both, but in anime it seems to happen quite frequently.