EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 2055
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mcimba42
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Evangelion was extremely character-centric. The focus on their minds and mental state is the primary "purpose" of the anime, over stuff like battling the Angels and such. But instead of getting a resolution, we get a fucking reset. What was the point? That depressed, beta little pussies like Shinji, intolerably bitchy characters like Asuka, and bland characters like Rei are bad characters, and don't deserve to have an anime telling their story? | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
thats what I took from it, did I enjoy it? No. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:50 biology]major wrote: the point is that not all people overcome their problems, and most people are ordinary who suck shit thats what I took from it, did I enjoy it? No. Apparently that is the point to the anime, but why would anyone want to watch an anime like that? How could anyone enjoy it? | ||
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:52 Sentenal wrote: Apparently that is the point to the anime, but why would anyone want to watch an anime like that? How could anyone enjoy it? Victory Gundam is better and I'm going to be streaming it today! | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:03 Rebs wrote: Yea I went through the first 2 LN's, still have the other 2 lying around had to stop the marathoning and couldnt get back to it. Probably gonna reread and finish the job in a couple of months when I have time. I figured Id go for the Movie then. I dont read to many LN's (or well anything thats not complete on BT) but I bought them around the time Ecael mentioned it first and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I think KazeHydra bought them around the same time. Hes probably done with all of them. Also before reading the first LN try watching the "No longer Human" arc of Aoi Bungaku. It helped alot. Im sure most people have read Wuthering heights or atleast know what its about, that plays into Book 2. Dono what the other 2 are about I was going to request that info prior to reading them, Book 1, No Longer Human. 2, Wuthering Heights. 3, Friendship by Mushanokoji Saneatsu. 4, Phantom of the Opera. 5, Night on the Galatic Railroad by Miyazawa Kenji. 6 are three works by Izumi Kyoka - Demon Pond (夜叉ヶ池) should be translated in English, 草迷宮 and 外科室 are two novellas/short stories that might have movies but afaik are not translated in text. Books 7 and 8 is Strait Is the Gate (La porte etroite) by Andre Gide. Gaiden and short stories went through a ton of shit so I am too lazy to list them all. On May 04 2012 02:53 Derrida wrote: I am looking for animes that takes place during Tokugawa or Early-Late Meiji periods. Any help is appreciated  Tokugawa shogunate lasted a long time yo, do you mean the bakumatsu in particular? Anything past early Meiji is also rare since the most exciting stuff were like the first Sino-Japan war and Russo-Japan war, which iirc there are barely any materials about. Late Meiji was all political stuff that paves the way into the Monarchy-esque Fascist Japan of WW2. On May 04 2012 03:07 EchOne wrote: Looks like I'll have to give in and buy the English releases too. When browsing Amazon for them I chanced upon this fetching review: "Dark YA fiction is all the rage and "Book Girl and the Corrupted Angel" fits the pattern. If you know a teen who is interested in dark stories, gritty mysteries or tales of teen angst, I can't think of a better gift than the Book Girl series." Not going to see the movie till I can finish book 5 (it's releasing late July). Urg my face, like all the stuff that says middle school students should read Zaregoto series. | ||
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mcimba42
192 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:34 Sentenal wrote: You spend close to 20 episodes developing your characters, and then at the end, you completely reset them and manage to make them worse than they were at the start? What was the fucking point to having watched it all? (...) There just had to be a point to the anime. Maybe the point was that going through the Apocalypse doesn't result in mental stability for a group of troubled teenagers? That sometimes people don't actually solve their problems, and that things can get worse? You seem to have some unnatural hatred towards this "reset", but I don't see why it was such a terrible thing. On May 04 2012 03:34 Sentenal wrote: That depressed, beta little pussies like Shinji, intolerably bitchy characters like Asuka, and bland characters like Rei are bad characters, and don't deserve to have an anime telling their story? You're doing it again. I got that you didn't like the characters, that doesn't mean they're bad. Seriously, so far your entire argument has sounded an awful lot like "I don't like this and that so it's shit". + Show Spoiler + Shinji Ikari, is by far the worst main character ever featured in an anime. All this little bastard does is whine, cry, complain, and masturbate to a chick he put into a hospital. We have Asuka, the "hot" female lead, who Shinji has a crush on. Shes a total, insufferable bitch. Rei is an inhuman albino. She isn't cute in the least. Shes boring as fuck. What people see in her, I will never understand. The point made was that every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. But having an entire cast full of people who are painful to watch (shinji), makes you want them to die (asuka), or not really a character (rei) is a very bad thing, is it not? That depressed, beta little pussies like Shinji, intolerably bitchy characters like Asuka, and bland characters like Rei are bad characters, and don't deserve to have an anime telling their story? I don't think you understand how this kind of thing goes. In the end of the day, Evangelion is a story, it's entertainment. It has fictional characters that have been created by this asian guy. Some people like the characters, some don't. I personally don't, I didn't like Evangelion at all. However, I can understand that this does not mean it's absolute shit. It's a matter of personal opinion, you don't like, cool, other people might. Unless at some point in time our Lord and Savior Joseph Smith descended from the Heavens and blessed you with supreme authority over all matters or personal taste. In which case I apologize to our new found prophet, and humbly ask that you give me a list of which cartoons I'm allowed to enjoy (oh wait nvm, I already found it). | ||
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:04 mcimba42 wrote: Maybe the point was that going through the Apocalypse doesn't result in mental stability for a group of troubled teenagers? That sometimes people don't actually solve their problems, and that things can get worse? You seem to have some unnatural hatred towards this "reset", but I don't see why it was such a terrible thing. You're doing it again. I got that you didn't like the characters, that doesn't mean they're bad. Seriously, so far your entire argument has sounded an awful lot like "I don't like this and that so it's shit". + Show Spoiler + Shinji Ikari, is by far the worst main character ever featured in an anime. All this little bastard does is whine, cry, complain, and masturbate to a chick he put into a hospital. We have Asuka, the "hot" female lead, who Shinji has a crush on. Shes a total, insufferable bitch. Rei is an inhuman albino. She isn't cute in the least. Shes boring as fuck. What people see in her, I will never understand. The point made was that every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. But having an entire cast full of people who are painful to watch (shinji), makes you want them to die (asuka), or not really a character (rei) is a very bad thing, is it not? That depressed, beta little pussies like Shinji, intolerably bitchy characters like Asuka, and bland characters like Rei are bad characters, and don't deserve to have an anime telling their story? I don't think you understand how this kind of thing goes. In the end of the day, Evangelion is a story, it's entertainment. It has fictional characters that have been created by this asian guy. Some people like the characters, some don't. I personally don't, I didn't like Evangelion at all. However, I can understand that this does not mean it's absolute shit. It's a matter of personal opinion, you don't like, cool, other people might. Unless at some point in time our Lord and Savior Joseph Smith descended from the Heavens and blessed you with supreme authority over all matters or personal taste. In which case I apologize to our new found prophet, and humbly ask that you give me a list of which cartoons I'm allowed to enjoy (oh wait nvm, I already found it). I'm streaming Victory Gundam so we can all enjoy something together. http://www.justin.tv/monokerros | ||
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evantrees
Canada497 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:41 Emnjay808 wrote: Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q8Ue9.jpg) Look at dem forheads, jesus christ... First thing that came to mind ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pdR2s.png) | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Maybe the point was that going through the Apocalypse doesn't result in mental stability for a group of troubled teenagers? That sometimes people don't actually solve their problems, and that things can get worse? You seem to have some unnatural hatred towards this "reset", but I don't see why it was such a terrible thing. Yeah, thats the point, but is it a good one? Is it a point worth watching the anime for? What does the viewer take away from watching it? That everyone is fucked up, and its okay to be a depressing lump of crap? You're doing it again. I got that you didn't like the characters, that doesn't mean they're bad. Seriously, so far your entire argument has sounded an awful lot like "I don't like this and that so it's shit". And you have yet to give me any alternative explanation as to how they aren't bad characters. My first post outlined my reasons as to why I believe they are. I don't think you understand how this kind of thing goes. In the end of the day, Evangelion is a story, it's entertainment. It has fictional characters that have been created by this asian guy. Some people like the characters, some don't. I personally don't, I didn't like Evangelion at all. However, I can understand that this does not mean it's absolute shit. It's a matter of personal opinion, you don't like, cool, other people might. Of course its a matter of personal opinion. People are free to like whatever they want, I won't stop them. But I'm free to state my opinion as well. That opinion being that Evangelion is shit. I don't understand what your point is here? Do you think I'm saying that no one is allowed to enjoy Evangelion? For someone who claims to not like Evangelion, you sure do seem to love it, after defending it so much and then ending with comments telling me to "not tell you what anime you're allowed to enjoy". | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:56 Ecael wrote: Tokugawa shogunate lasted a long time yo, do you mean the bakumatsu in particular? Anything past early Meiji is also rare since the most exciting stuff were like the first Sino-Japan war and Russo-Japan war, which iirc there are barely any materials about. Late Meiji was all political stuff that paves the way into the Monarchy-esque Fascist Japan of WW2. Wouldnt all those sekigahara related samurai world etc fantasy shows count ? Theres a shit ton of those that are more just testosterone driven then anything else most of the time. Then theres others that arent exactly accurate portrayals or well portrayals at all in most cases But I'd imagine theyd qualify stuff like Basilisk or I dont know.. pfft Kenshin ? This is all bakufu ofc. Dono about Meiji but theres some transitionary pre Meiji Shinsengumi related stuff faswell Kurogane and Hakouki (yawn) come to mind. | ||
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mcimba42
192 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:18 Sentenal wrote: Yeah, thats the point, but is it a good one? Is it a point worth watching the anime for? What does the viewer take away from watching it? That everyone is fucked up, and its okay to be a depressing lump of crap? Yes. On May 04 2012 04:18 Sentenal wrote: And you have yet to give me any alternative explanation as to how they aren't bad characters. My first post outlined my reasons as to why I believe they are. And what are those reasons? Shinji never becomes an alpha male, Asuka is a jealous bitch, and Rei is a boring albino? You're right, I'm sorry, they're terrible characters, I can see it clearly now. Feels like you're judging whether or not they're good people, instead of good characters. On May 04 2012 04:18 Sentenal wrote: Of course its a matter of personal opinion. People are free to like whatever they want, I won't stop them. But I'm free to state my opinion as well. That opinion being that Evangelion is shit. I don't understand what your point is here? Do you think I'm saying that no one is allowed to enjoy Evangelion? Well... Evangelion sucks. It sucks alot. Shinji Ikari, is by far the worst main character ever featured in an anime. So its meant to be garbage? every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. Yet few of them are as bad as Evangelion. And here comes the fucking crown jewel: why would anyone want to watch an anime like that? How could anyone enjoy it? Yes, this is how people express their personal opinions, especially when discussing Chinese cartoons. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:22 Rebs wrote: Wouldnt all those sekigahara related samurai world etc fantasy shows count ? Theres a shit ton of those that are more just testosterone driven then anything else most of the time. Then theres others that arent exactly accurate portrayals or well portrayals at all in most cases But I'd imagine theyd qualify stuff like Basilisk or I dont know.. pfft Kenshin ? This is all bakufu ofc. Dono about Meiji but theres some transitionary pre Meiji Shinsengumi related stuff faswell. I can't think of anything that takes place after the Republic of Ezo or whatever it was at Hokkaido got destroyed and before WW2, the Tokugawa shogunate technically didn't start until after Sekigahara, which is still considered the end of the sengoku jidai. He is asking for a pretty huge period of time either way, and if we count sengoku jidai then there is like no end to shit we can list lol. Basilisk is also in the same period of time, Kenshin goes from bakumatsu in the OVAs to mostly early Meiji. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:28 Ecael wrote: I can't think of anything that takes place after the Republic of Ezo or whatever it was at Hokkaido got destroyed and before WW2, the Tokugawa shogunate technically didn't start until after Sekigahara, which is still considered the end of the sengoku jidai. He is asking for a pretty huge period of time either way, and if we count sengoku jidai then there is like no end to shit we can list lol. Well its not technically but its assumed unofficially thats why I didnt go as to far back in Sengoku jidai and stuck to Sekigahara simply because I know personally of stuff from there. More so then perhaps something like Meiji, I suppose Im being to fixated on the transitions. For me more important than alot of stuff that actually happens during. Atleast with respect to what you would want to know about the shogunate when you start off. Ofcourse I cant say for most of the history of the shogunate so I may well be quite wrong since again I only know about shows that outline the major transitions. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:40 Nagisama wrote: Well, the first arc of AGE had some romantic elements in it + Show Spoiler + TIL THEY KILLED HER OFF! Speaking of romance, ecael recently recommended I watch Bungaku Shoujo. So I did, eventually, and it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD!!! Parts of it gives me that same warm, fuzzy and sad feeling I got after watching 5cm/s. It could also be that I'm horribly biased because HanaKana voices the main girl (Amano Touko, or Tooko/Tohko, however you want to spell it). But, the rest of the voice actor cast is pretty all star too! Notable names include Nana Mizuki, Daisuke Ono, Aki Toyosaki, and Aya Hirano (say what you want about her, but I consider her "notable" anyways since she voices Haruhi). Chiwa Saito is also credited to voicing Inoue Konoha, but I didn't recognize her voice in either the flashbacks or present time. The premise is about Inoue Konoha, our MC, meeting this girl, Amano Touko, who eats paper as if it was food. There's more to it obviously, but the rest can be wiki'd. + Show Spoiler [possible spoilers] + According to ecael, the movie was based on the 5th novel and since I didn't watch any of the OVA prequels to the movie, or read the novels, there were some parts that were initially confusing. The main one that stood out for me was when Nanase (Nana Mizuki) was confronting Miu (Aya Hirano) in the hospital. Prior to that, I didn't even know Nanase knew Miu. The ending kind of also made the MC a bit of a two-timer. + Show Spoiler [if you want detail] + After the MC says he love I felt Aya Hirano actually did a pretty good job voicing Miu and showing her to be a true psychotic bitch. + Show Spoiler [more miu spoilers] + Miu had some pretty sick plot armor to be able to survive jumping off the school roof and jumping in front of a truck with little to no visible damage. Sadly, Nanase's character felt almost negligible and could've been ignored for most of the movie save one scene (that scene was pretty sick too). She's was a pretty cute tsundere for some of the screen time she did get though. All in all, I loved it, and now just waiting for the novels to be delivered to me :D. + Show Spoiler [AGE] + Yurinnnnnnnnnn  Regarding Touko-senpai On October 12 2011 00:37 KazeHydra wrote: Touko-senpai was amazing. I usually don't care much for Kana Hanazawa's voice, but damn, it fit so perfectly with her personality. She definitely is one of my favorite main heroines. I thought I praised her more than that...anyway, this was when I actually started to appreciate HanaKana as a seiyuu when previously I was giving her a lot of flak for all the copy paste moe voices. Even now, I wish she did more diversity, but what can I say? Touko was too good and is by far my favorite character that she's done. Don't know why I never mentioned this to you before, despite knowing how big of a HanaKana fan you are. Yes, I've read all the English translated novels and they're great. It really helps to know about the work of literature being referenced beforehand in terms of enjoyment and interest but not needed. ZNF has also read 3 of the 4 unless he recently got his hands on the newest one. They also make you see the movie in a different light because you see the true relationships between all the characters. It's a lot more interesting than the movie lets on. Nanase is amazing tsundere and I read all her lines in Nana's voice. Eagerly awaiting book 5 in July :D Also, you should watch the OVA's featuring each different heroine if you haven't already. Nanase is sooooo cute in hers but Touko was great as always too. Miu was...well, Miu. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
And what are those reasons? Shinji never becomes an alpha male, Asuka is a jealous bitch, and Rei is a boring albino? You're right, I'm sorry, they're terrible characters, I can see it clearly now. You and your strawman arguments. Its getting amusing now lol Reasons outlined here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94273¤tpage=2052#41037 Still waiting for a rebuttal! Hopefully without strawmen! Yes, this is how people express their personal opinions, especially when discussing Chinese cartoons. Yes, it is. If I call something bad or good, saying both is stating an opinion. I could call something a masterpiece, and the best anime ever made, and it would still be an opinion (and I wonder if you would get so butt-hurt over me doing that?). Also, how is me calling something shit and garbage the same as telling people that they aren't allowed to enjoy it? There seems to be a logical step you are skipping. People are free to enjoy garbage. I haven't told anyone they aren't allowed to enjoy shitty anime. I can't understand how they can like that shit, but that doesn't meant they aren't allowed to. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:30 Rebs wrote: Well its not technically but its assumed unofficially thats why I didnt go as to far back in Sengoku jidai and stuck to Sekigahara simply because I know personally of stuff from there more so then perhaps something like Meiji I suppose Im being to fixated on the transitions. For me more important than alot of stuff that actually happens during. Atleast with respect to what you would want to know about the shogunate when you start off. Ofcourse I cant say for most of the history of the shogunate so I may well be quite wrong. I only know about shows that outline the major transitions. Yeah he just used a really loose term but one that potentially adds a ton of animes into the filter. The Adzuchi-Momoyama period is kinda funky, but gets a ton of animes simply because it covers one of the most romanticized eras of Japanese history. Dunno, would be nice to have a more specific filter other than a time period that is vague at best lol. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:31 KazeHydra wrote: The torrents for the OVAs were so bad that not even Swedish Internet could conquer it. It's been over a day and still snail-pace downloading t_tAlso, you should watch the OVA's featuring each different heroine if you haven't already. Nanase is sooooo cute in hers but Touko was great as always too. Miu was...well, Miu. | ||
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mcimba42
192 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:37 Sentenal wrote: You and your strawman arguments. Its getting amusing now lol Reasons outlined here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94273¤tpage=2052#41037 Still waiting for a rebuttal! Hopefully without strawmen! That's exactly what I found in the post you linked? You said Shinji is "by far the worst main character ever featured in an anime" because: All this little bastard does is whine, cry, complain, and masturbate to a chick he put into a hospital. I'M NOT FUCKING MAKING IT UP HE REALLY DID THAT HOLY SHIT THAT SCENE WASN'T AWKWARD AT ALL, WAS IT? Now let me be clear, I really have a problem with characters who start out like that. Some of my favorite anime of all time have MCs who start out like that. But the question is whether or not they develop, and grow into a character past that. Does Shinji follow in the footsteps of Amuro Ray, mature as a character, and become a better person by the end of the series? This can be pretty much summed up by saying that you dislike Shinji because he's an awkward, introverted and cowardly kid and he never matures into a better person. We have Asuka, the "hot" female lead, who Shinji has a crush on. Shes a total, insufferable bitch. No, not a tsundere. Even fucking Louise from ZnT is more tsundere than Asuka. Asuka is just a bitch. And she is for the entire series. She is also a jelly bitch. You dislike Asuka as a character because she's a jealous bitch. There is literally nothing else in here, that's exactly what I said. Rei is an inhuman albino. She isn't cute in the least. Shes boring as fuck. What people see in her, I will never understand. Rei is a boring albino and she isn't cute. Again, I'm not seeing any other reasons over here. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5388218.2775/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg) Here's a straw man for you bro, you seem to really like those a lot. On May 04 2012 04:37 Sentenal wrote: Again, I don't think this is how opinions and personal taste work, but I might be wrong.Yes, it is. If I call something bad or good, saying both is stating an opinion. I could call something a masterpiece, and the best anime ever made, and it would still be an opinion (and I wonder if you would get so butt-hurt over me doing that?). Also, how is me calling something shit and garbage the same as telling people that they aren't allowed to enjoy it? There seems to be a logical step you are skipping. People are free to enjoy garbage. I haven't told anyone they aren't allowed to enjoy shitty anime. I can't understand how they can like that shit, but that doesn't meant they aren't allowed to. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:53 mcimba42 wrote: That's exactly what I found in the post you linked? You said Shinji is "by far the worst main character ever featured in an anime" because: This can be pretty much summed up by saying that you dislike Shinji because he's an awkward, introverted and cowardly kid and he never matures into a better person. You dislike Asuka as a character because she's a jealous bitch. There is literally nothing else in here, that's exactly what I said. Rei is a boring albino and she isn't cute. Again, I'm not seeing any other reasons over here. + Show Spoiler + Here's a straw man for you bro, you seem to really like those a lot. Again, I don't think this is how opinions and personal taste work, but I might be wrong. Okay, and now explain to me how "saying that you dislike Shinji because he's an awkward, introverted and cowardly kid and he never matures into a better person." is the same the same thing as "Shinji never becomes an alpha male", or any of the other like statements you have characterized my posts with? Since you seem to be unfamiliar with the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Again, I don't think this is how opinions and personal taste work, but I might be wrong. You are. | ||
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