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On May 03 2012 06:51 Sentenal wrote:
>Code Geass
Neon Genesis Evangelion, easily one of the most influential animes of the 90s, a fan favorite, one that some people believe to be the greatest anime ever created. But is Evangelion really that good?
No, Evangelion sucks. It sucks alot. Note that I'm not talking about Rebuild right now.
Lets get out of the way things that Evangelion does well. 1.) It looks really really nice. The animation and art in it is great, even to this day. The fights were good, mostly.
However, thats where it all stops. Evangelion's main character, Shinji Ikari, is by far the worst main character ever featured in an anime. All this little bastard does is whine, cry, complain, and masturbate to a chick he put into a hospital. I'M NOT FUCKING MAKING IT UP HE REALLY DID THAT HOLY SHIT THAT SCENE WASN'T AWKWARD AT ALL, WAS IT? Now let me be clear, I really have a problem with characters who start out like that. Some of my favorite anime of all time have MCs who start out like that. But the question is whether or not they develop, and grow into a character past that. Does Shinji follow in the footsteps of Amuro Ray, mature as a character, and become a better person by the end of the series?
No, he does not. All we get at the end of the series is Gainex running out of money, and CONGRATULATIONS. But no, thats not the end of it! Next we get End of Evangelion, with the before-mentioned IM GONNA JACK OFF ON ASUKA WHILE SHES NI A COMA scene, and then everyone turns into orange juice. IM NOT FUCKING MAKGIN THIS UP YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME.
What else do we have? We have Asuka, the "hot" female lead, who Shinji has a crush on. Shes a total, insufferable bitch. No, not a tsundere. Even fucking Louise from ZnT is more tsundere than Asuka. Asuka is just a bitch. And she is for the entire series. She is also a jelly bitch. Jelly of Shinji Ikari, the worst main character who ever main charactered. Oh well, at least she has a real cool fight in the EoE.
How bout Rei? Rei is an inhuman albino. She isn't cute in the least. Shes boring as fuck. What people see in her, I will never understand. But eventually, thousands of little chibi Rei go around turning everyone into orange juice.
Indeed, Evangelion would have been so much better if the MC suddenly became a man (probably when his friends were is grave peril) and started dicking on Angels while throwing witty one liners, Asuka eventually warmed up to the now gar as fuck Shinji (and then their mechas could GATTAI), Gendo realized how cool his son was and started to love him as well, and the show ended with Shinji, his girlfriend Asuka and Kaworu piloting Tengen Toppa Eva Lagann fighting the Angel King to save humanity from the evil alien invasion. And it would have been called "Every Shounen Ever".
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On May 04 2012 02:25 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:51 Sentenal wrote:
>Code Geass
Neon Genesis Evangelion, easily one of the most influential animes of the 90s, a fan favorite, one that some people believe to be the greatest anime ever created. But is Evangelion really that good?
No, Evangelion sucks. It sucks alot. Note that I'm not talking about Rebuild right now.
Lets get out of the way things that Evangelion does well. 1.) It looks really really nice. The animation and art in it is great, even to this day. The fights were good, mostly.
However, thats where it all stops. Evangelion's main character, Shinji Ikari, is by far the worst main character ever featured in an anime. All this little bastard does is whine, cry, complain, and masturbate to a chick he put into a hospital. I'M NOT FUCKING MAKING IT UP HE REALLY DID THAT HOLY SHIT THAT SCENE WASN'T AWKWARD AT ALL, WAS IT? Now let me be clear, I really have a problem with characters who start out like that. Some of my favorite anime of all time have MCs who start out like that. But the question is whether or not they develop, and grow into a character past that. Does Shinji follow in the footsteps of Amuro Ray, mature as a character, and become a better person by the end of the series?
No, he does not. All we get at the end of the series is Gainex running out of money, and CONGRATULATIONS. But no, thats not the end of it! Next we get End of Evangelion, with the before-mentioned IM GONNA JACK OFF ON ASUKA WHILE SHES NI A COMA scene, and then everyone turns into orange juice. IM NOT FUCKING MAKGIN THIS UP YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME.
What else do we have? We have Asuka, the "hot" female lead, who Shinji has a crush on. Shes a total, insufferable bitch. No, not a tsundere. Even fucking Louise from ZnT is more tsundere than Asuka. Asuka is just a bitch. And she is for the entire series. She is also a jelly bitch. Jelly of Shinji Ikari, the worst main character who ever main charactered. Oh well, at least she has a real cool fight in the EoE.
How bout Rei? Rei is an inhuman albino. She isn't cute in the least. Shes boring as fuck. What people see in her, I will never understand. But eventually, thousands of little chibi Rei go around turning everyone into orange juice. Indeed, Evangelion would have been so much better if the MC suddenly became a man (probably when his friends were is grave peril) and started dicking on Angels while throwing witty one liners, Asuka eventually warmed up to the now gar as fuck Shinji (and then their mechas could GATTAI), Gendo realized how cool his son was and started to love him as well, and the show ended with Shinji, his girlfriend Asuka and Kaworu piloting Tengen Toppa Eva Lagann fighting the Angel King to save humanity from the evil alien invasion. And it would have been called "Every Shounen Ever".
Evangelion is a shounen in its current incarnation, whats your point?
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thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life
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On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life
So its meant to be garbage?
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On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage?
yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift?
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On May 04 2012 00:47 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 00:26 Akash wrote:On May 04 2012 00:17 KazeHydra wrote:On May 03 2012 23:58 Akash wrote:And ultimately they realize the purpose that they have been fighting for,a better world for Lelouch and being the Emperor for Paul.
No, Paul never does achieve his final goal, at least not himself. Becoming emperor is only a step to set up the requirements. The first book of Dune is an introduction; all the sequels can be seen as consequences of his actions. The prequels are a whole other thing to deal with. Afaik, we never come to know what Paul's true goal was. We know he wanted to turn Dune into a planet of life. This does happen eventually, I think book 5. However, in regards to the Bene Gesserit, we do not know whether he wanted to destroy them completely for revenge (most likely wanted to but understood the insane consequences this would have on the political and religious world) or if halting their goals sufficed. Also, while he may have achieved his goals or not, they came with many underlying consequences that he may or may not have predicted, such as the gholas of Duncan Idaho and the roles he would play or the fact that the Bene Gesserit took advantage of the Atreides bloodline which had created powerful genes they did not originally expect. From what i remember,Paul wanted to escape the curse of his foresight.Everytime he saw the future,the timelines were altered.It was something similar to Heisenberg's principle.Everytime he looked into the future, the future was already modified compared to the future in which he didn't used his power. That's why,after the failed Bene Tleilaxu coup d'etat which caused him to go blind and entrusting regency and his children to his sister,Alia,he dissapeared into the desert. But enough about Dune  . I didn't mean to say that CG is comparable to Dune.It's like comparing one of those shitty 1 million $ budget fantasy movies to Lord of the Rings.But it has some similarities.That was just what i was trying to say. Also , gz Mr KazeHydra for such a in-depth analysis of my post. I tip my hat to you  . Also i'll go watch Gundam next,as previous people strongly recommended. hehe yeah I overreacted but it sounded like you thought they were more similar than just a couple comparisons. Anyway, if you want to watch Gundam, you should read this if you haven't already. Probably would want to start with either 0079 (you may not like it due to old animation) or SEED, but as Sent mentions, you can choose any AU gundam as a first and you won't be lost as far as story goes. The million dollar question. Does it have any romance in any of them ? Doesn't matter if it's the original Gundam or Alternate Universe. First of all, I'm kind of like you in liking romance in my anime regardless of genre; I don't need it but it will always be a plus to me. so yes, actually most (from what I've seen) have some amount of romance though it varies from just "being there" to actually being developed. For example, I got completely baited into thinking AGE had romance when really the girls are just there to make babies. Not joking at all. Series is still really good though. SEED, however, is my favorite (again, from what I've seen) as far as romance in Gundam series. Actually, it's my favorite Gundam series period and the romance is just another plus. Sent can give a better answer though; I know he has a favorite couple but I forget which series it's from.
Well, the first arc of AGE had some romantic elements in it + Show Spoiler +
Speaking of romance, ecael recently recommended I watch Bungaku Shoujo. So I did, eventually, and it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD!!! Parts of it gives me that same warm, fuzzy and sad feeling I got after watching 5cm/s.
It could also be that I'm horribly biased because HanaKana voices the main girl (Amano Touko, or Tooko/Tohko, however you want to spell it). But, the rest of the voice actor cast is pretty all star too! Notable names include Nana Mizuki, Daisuke Ono, Aki Toyosaki, and Aya Hirano (say what you want about her, but I consider her "notable" anyways since she voices Haruhi). Chiwa Saito is also credited to voicing Inoue Konoha, but I didn't recognize her voice in either the flashbacks or present time.
The premise is about Inoue Konoha, our MC, meeting this girl, Amano Touko, who eats paper as if it was food. There's more to it obviously, but the rest can be wiki'd.
+ Show Spoiler [possible spoilers] +According to ecael, the movie was based on the 5th novel and since I didn't watch any of the OVA prequels to the movie, or read the novels, there were some parts that were initially confusing. The main one that stood out for me was when Nanase (Nana Mizuki) was confronting Miu (Aya Hirano) in the hospital. Prior to that, I didn't even know Nanase knew Miu. The ending kind of also made the MC a bit of a two-timer. + Show Spoiler [if you want detail] +After the MC says he lovesd Miu, he leaves the planetarium and chases after Touko, meets up with her, and kisses her before her train leaves. KYAAAA! (I loved that scene, I just ignored that fact that the MC confessed his love to Miu just minutes before). But I believe that was movie original, and didn't actually happen in the novels. I felt Aya Hirano actually did a pretty good job voicing Miu and showing her to be a true psychotic bitch. + Show Spoiler [more miu spoilers] +Miu had some pretty sick plot armor to be able to survive jumping off the school roof and jumping in front of a truck with little to no visible damage. As some on IRC can vouch for me, I got pretty into the movie as I was watching, and was really sad the MC would, even for a second, pick Miu over Touko. But, I'll just blindly believe he confessed to Miu just so that she won't go suicidal on him, and really loves Touko instead. Sadly, Nanase's character felt almost negligible and could've been ignored for most of the movie save one scene (that scene was pretty sick too). She's was a pretty cute tsundere for some of the screen time she did get though. All in all, I loved it, and now just waiting for the novels to be delivered to me :D.
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On May 04 2012 02:39 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage? yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift?
So, apparently you can't even address any of the points I made about it, so you have to resort to this? Can you really not defend it at all?
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Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q8Ue9.jpg)
Look at dem forheads, jesus christ...
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On May 04 2012 02:41 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:39 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage? yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift? So, apparently you can't even address any of the points I made about it, so you have to resort to this? Can you really not defend it at all?
I didn't see any points other than "Shinji is a pussy", "Asuka didn't jump on the MC's dick", and "Rei is not a healthy human female", the hell is there to say about that?
Did you want another iteration of "fearless teenagers vs the universe"?
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On May 04 2012 02:41 Emnjay808 wrote:Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big. + Show Spoiler +Look at dem forheads, jesus christ...
Have you seen the average anime girl head...?
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On May 04 2012 02:41 Emnjay808 wrote:Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big. Look at dem forheads, jesus christ...
What the fuck is wrong with the size of their heads? Thats normal size, wtf.
![[image loading]](http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/12/21418l.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/5/29252l.jpg)
Yeah, heads are so much bigger in Evangelion.
You think everyone in Eva has a misshapen, huge head, like it was K-On or something (for example, everyone in K-On looks like they have Down Syndrome)? I even said that despite its many problems, the show looked fine, but this is the first time I've heard someone complain about the character design in it.
On May 04 2012 02:44 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:41 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:39 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage? yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift? So, apparently you can't even address any of the points I made about it, so you have to resort to this? Can you really not defend it at all? I didn't see any points other than "Shinji is a pussy", "Asuka didn't jump on the MC's dick", and "Rei is not a healthy human female", the hell is there to say about that?
The point made was that every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. Shinji doesn't have to be alpha as fuck, Asuka didn't have to be on Shinji's dick, Rei didn't have to be a healthy human female. In anime, there are countlless decent-to-good characters who aren't like that. But having an entire cast full of people who are painful to watch (shinji), makes you want them to die (asuka), or not really a character (rei) is a very bad thing, is it not?
Did you want another iteration of "fearless teenagers vs the universe"?
Why is everything so black-and-white with your defense of it? Its like if all the characters aren't horrible, they gotta be like the cast in Gurren Lagann? No shades of grey at all inbetween. Characters can only either be like Shinji or Kamina, not possible to have another type?
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On May 04 2012 02:40 Nagisama wrote:Speaking of romance, ecael recently recommended I watch Bungaku Shoujo. So I did, eventually, and it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD!!! Parts of it gives me that same warm, fuzzy and sad feeling I got after watching 5cm/s. It could also be that I'm horribly biased because HanaKana voices the main girl (Amano Touko, or Tooko/Tohko, however you want to spell it). But, the rest of the voice actor cast is pretty all star too! Notable names include Nana Mizuki, Daisuke Ono, Aki Toyosaki, and Aya Hirano (say what you want about her, but I consider her "notable" anyways since she voices Haruhi). Chiwa Saito is also credited to voicing Inoue Konoha, but I didn't recognize her voice in either the flashbacks or present time. The premise is about Inoue Konoha, our MC, meeting this girl, Amano Touko, who eats paper as if it was food. There's more to it obviously, but the rest can be wiki'd. + Show Spoiler [possible spoilers] +According to ecael, the movie was based on the 5th novel and since I didn't watch any of the OVA prequels to the movie, or read the novels, there were some parts that were initially confusing. The main one that stood out for me was when Nanase (Nana Mizuki) was confronting Miu (Aya Hirano) in the hospital. Prior to that, I didn't even know Nanase knew Miu. The ending kind of also made the MC a bit of a two-timer. + Show Spoiler [if you want detail] +After the MC says he loves Miu, he leaves the planetarium and chases after Touko, meets up with her, and kisses her before her train leaves. KYAAAA! (I loved that scene, I just ignored that fact that the MC confessed his love to Miu just minutes before). But I believe that was movie original, and didn't actually happen in the novels. I felt Aya Hirano actually did a pretty good job voicing Miu and showing her to be a true psychotic bitch. + Show Spoiler [more miu spoilers] +Miu had some pretty sick plot armor to be able to survive jumping off the school roof and jumping in front of a truck with little to no visible damage. As some on IRC can vouch for me, I got pretty into the movie as I was watching, and was really sad the MC would, even for a second, pick Miu over Touko. But, I'll just blindly believe he confessed to Miu just so that she won't go suicidal on him, and really loves Touko instead. Sadly, Nanase's character felt almost negligible and could've been ignored for most of the movie save one scene (that scene was pretty sick too). She's was a pretty cute tsundere for some of the screen time she did get though. All in all, I loved it, and now just waiting for the novels to be delivered to me :D. Bungaku Shoujo was AWESOME. Needed more Nanase though.  Poor girl, ez best girl despite reverse tsundere.
End felt a bit too sweet though, I was hoping for something a bit more tragic, not just "sad". Still a really good movie, really recommend it to anyone who hasn't watched. Going to follow Nagi and buy the novels that are translated too. God damn Ecael and his good taste.
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I am looking for animes that takes place during Tokugawa or Early-Late Meiji periods. Any help is appreciated
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On May 04 2012 02:50 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:41 Emnjay808 wrote:Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big. Look at dem forheads, jesus christ... What the fuck is wrong with the size of their heads? Thats normal size, wtf. Yeah, heads are so much bigger in Evangelion. You think everyone in Eva has a misshapen, huge head, like it was K-On or something (for example, everyone in K-On looks like they have Down Syndrome)? I even said that despite its many problems, the show looked fine, but this is the first time I've heard someone complain about the character design in it. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:44 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:41 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:39 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage? yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift? So, apparently you can't even address any of the points I made about it, so you have to resort to this? Can you really not defend it at all? I didn't see any points other than "Shinji is a pussy", "Asuka didn't jump on the MC's dick", and "Rei is not a healthy human female", the hell is there to say about that? The point made was that every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. Shinji doesn't have to be alpha as fuck, Asuka didn't have to be on Shinji's dick, Rei didn't have to be a healthy human female. In anime, there are countlless decent-to-good characters who aren't like that. But having an entire cast full of people who are painful to watch (shinji), makes you want them to die (asuka), or not really a character (rei) is a very bad thing, is it not? Why is everything so black-and-white with your defense of it? Its like if all the characters aren't horrible, they gotta be like the cast in Gurren Lagann, right? No shades of grey at all inbetween. Characters can only either be like Shinji or Kamina, not possible to have another type?
So you wanted the characters to act like normal people? Like they did for a while during the middle part of the series, when Asuka was living with Shinji and Misato, and Shinji became more open and confident, and Asuka had a perfectly fine relationship with everyone else (except for maybe Rei)? That part before everything went to shit and the characters reveal their psychological problems, which was the whole fucking point of Evangelion (beyond the giant fighting robots and the pretty Christian imagery that Anno added literally because he though he looked cool)?
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On May 04 2012 02:52 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:40 Nagisama wrote:Speaking of romance, ecael recently recommended I watch Bungaku Shoujo. So I did, eventually, and it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD!!! Parts of it gives me that same warm, fuzzy and sad feeling I got after watching 5cm/s. It could also be that I'm horribly biased because HanaKana voices the main girl (Amano Touko, or Tooko/Tohko, however you want to spell it). But, the rest of the voice actor cast is pretty all star too! Notable names include Nana Mizuki, Daisuke Ono, Aki Toyosaki, and Aya Hirano (say what you want about her, but I consider her "notable" anyways since she voices Haruhi). Chiwa Saito is also credited to voicing Inoue Konoha, but I didn't recognize her voice in either the flashbacks or present time. The premise is about Inoue Konoha, our MC, meeting this girl, Amano Touko, who eats paper as if it was food. There's more to it obviously, but the rest can be wiki'd. + Show Spoiler [possible spoilers] +According to ecael, the movie was based on the 5th novel and since I didn't watch any of the OVA prequels to the movie, or read the novels, there were some parts that were initially confusing. The main one that stood out for me was when Nanase (Nana Mizuki) was confronting Miu (Aya Hirano) in the hospital. Prior to that, I didn't even know Nanase knew Miu. The ending kind of also made the MC a bit of a two-timer. + Show Spoiler [if you want detail] +After the MC says he loves Miu, he leaves the planetarium and chases after Touko, meets up with her, and kisses her before her train leaves. KYAAAA! (I loved that scene, I just ignored that fact that the MC confessed his love to Miu just minutes before). But I believe that was movie original, and didn't actually happen in the novels. I felt Aya Hirano actually did a pretty good job voicing Miu and showing her to be a true psychotic bitch. + Show Spoiler [more miu spoilers] +Miu had some pretty sick plot armor to be able to survive jumping off the school roof and jumping in front of a truck with little to no visible damage. As some on IRC can vouch for me, I got pretty into the movie as I was watching, and was really sad the MC would, even for a second, pick Miu over Touko. But, I'll just blindly believe he confessed to Miu just so that she won't go suicidal on him, and really loves Touko instead. Sadly, Nanase's character felt almost negligible and could've been ignored for most of the movie save one scene (that scene was pretty sick too). She's was a pretty cute tsundere for some of the screen time she did get though. All in all, I loved it, and now just waiting for the novels to be delivered to me :D. Bungaku Shoujo was AWESOME. Needed more Nanase though. Poor girl, ez best girl despite reverse tsundere. End felt a bit too sweet though, I was hoping for something a bit more tragic, not just "sad". Still a really good movie, really recommend it to anyone who hasn't watched. Going to follow Nagi and buy the novels that are translated too. God damn Ecael and his good taste.
Yea I went through the first 2 LN's, still have the other 2 lying around had to stop the marathoning and couldnt get back to it. Probably gonna reread and finish the job in a couple of months when I have time. I figured Id go for the Movie then. I dont read to many LN's (or well anything thats not complete on BT) but I bought them around the time Ecael mentioned it first and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I think KazeHydra bought them around the same time. Hes probably done with all of them.
Also before reading the first LN try watching the "No longer Human" arc of Aoi Bungaku. It helped alot. Im sure most people have read Wuthering heights or atleast know what its about, that plays into Book 2. Dono what the other 2 are about I was going to request that info prior to reading them,
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On May 04 2012 03:03 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:50 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:41 Emnjay808 wrote:Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big. Look at dem forheads, jesus christ... What the fuck is wrong with the size of their heads? Thats normal size, wtf. Yeah, heads are so much bigger in Evangelion. You think everyone in Eva has a misshapen, huge head, like it was K-On or something (for example, everyone in K-On looks like they have Down Syndrome)? I even said that despite its many problems, the show looked fine, but this is the first time I've heard someone complain about the character design in it. On May 04 2012 02:44 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:41 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:39 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage? yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift? So, apparently you can't even address any of the points I made about it, so you have to resort to this? Can you really not defend it at all? I didn't see any points other than "Shinji is a pussy", "Asuka didn't jump on the MC's dick", and "Rei is not a healthy human female", the hell is there to say about that? The point made was that every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. Shinji doesn't have to be alpha as fuck, Asuka didn't have to be on Shinji's dick, Rei didn't have to be a healthy human female. In anime, there are countlless decent-to-good characters who aren't like that. But having an entire cast full of people who are painful to watch (shinji), makes you want them to die (asuka), or not really a character (rei) is a very bad thing, is it not? Did you want another iteration of "fearless teenagers vs the universe"? Why is everything so black-and-white with your defense of it? Its like if all the characters aren't horrible, they gotta be like the cast in Gurren Lagann, right? No shades of grey at all inbetween. Characters can only either be like Shinji or Kamina, not possible to have another type? So you wanted the characters to act like normal people? Like they did for a while during the middle part of the series, when Asuka was living with Shinji and Misato, and Shinji became more open and confident, and Asuka had a perfectly fine relationship with everyone else (except for maybe Rei)? That part before everything went to shit and the characters reveal their psychological problems, which was the whole fucking point of Evangelion (beyond the giant fighting robots and the pretty Christian imagery that Anno added literally because he though he looked cool)?
Yes, like what happened during the middle part of the series, before "everything went to shit". Normally, anime gives you a character, they develop said character, and then it ends with said character overcoming sometime (speaking in very vague terms here, what is overcome could be practically anything, and isn't limited to physical things like enemies, such as mental/emotional stuff). Except in Evangelion, you get to the end, and it takes a huge dump on everything else that happened in the show. So you are also telling me the point of Evangelion was to be garbage?
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On May 04 2012 02:52 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:40 Nagisama wrote:Speaking of romance, ecael recently recommended I watch Bungaku Shoujo. So I did, eventually, and it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD!!! Parts of it gives me that same warm, fuzzy and sad feeling I got after watching 5cm/s. It could also be that I'm horribly biased because HanaKana voices the main girl (Amano Touko, or Tooko/Tohko, however you want to spell it). But, the rest of the voice actor cast is pretty all star too! Notable names include Nana Mizuki, Daisuke Ono, Aki Toyosaki, and Aya Hirano (say what you want about her, but I consider her "notable" anyways since she voices Haruhi). Chiwa Saito is also credited to voicing Inoue Konoha, but I didn't recognize her voice in either the flashbacks or present time. The premise is about Inoue Konoha, our MC, meeting this girl, Amano Touko, who eats paper as if it was food. There's more to it obviously, but the rest can be wiki'd. + Show Spoiler [possible spoilers] +According to ecael, the movie was based on the 5th novel and since I didn't watch any of the OVA prequels to the movie, or read the novels, there were some parts that were initially confusing. The main one that stood out for me was when Nanase (Nana Mizuki) was confronting Miu (Aya Hirano) in the hospital. Prior to that, I didn't even know Nanase knew Miu. The ending kind of also made the MC a bit of a two-timer. + Show Spoiler [if you want detail] +After the MC says he loves Miu, he leaves the planetarium and chases after Touko, meets up with her, and kisses her before her train leaves. KYAAAA! (I loved that scene, I just ignored that fact that the MC confessed his love to Miu just minutes before). But I believe that was movie original, and didn't actually happen in the novels. I felt Aya Hirano actually did a pretty good job voicing Miu and showing her to be a true psychotic bitch. + Show Spoiler [more miu spoilers] +Miu had some pretty sick plot armor to be able to survive jumping off the school roof and jumping in front of a truck with little to no visible damage. As some on IRC can vouch for me, I got pretty into the movie as I was watching, and was really sad the MC would, even for a second, pick Miu over Touko. But, I'll just blindly believe he confessed to Miu just so that she won't go suicidal on him, and really loves Touko instead. Sadly, Nanase's character felt almost negligible and could've been ignored for most of the movie save one scene (that scene was pretty sick too). She's was a pretty cute tsundere for some of the screen time she did get though. All in all, I loved it, and now just waiting for the novels to be delivered to me :D. Bungaku Shoujo was AWESOME. Needed more Nanase though. Poor girl, ez best girl despite reverse tsundere. End felt a bit too sweet though, I was hoping for something a bit more tragic, not just "sad". Still a really good movie, really recommend it to anyone who hasn't watched. Going to follow Nagi and buy the novels that are translated too. God damn Ecael and his good taste.
Looks like I'll have to give in and buy the English releases too. When browsing Amazon for them I chanced upon this fetching review: "Dark YA fiction is all the rage and "Book Girl and the Corrupted Angel" fits the pattern. If you know a teen who is interested in dark stories, gritty mysteries or tales of teen angst, I can't think of a better gift than the Book Girl series."
Not going to see the movie till I can finish book 5 (it's releasing late July).
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On May 04 2012 03:06 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 03:03 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:50 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:41 Emnjay808 wrote:Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big. Look at dem forheads, jesus christ... What the fuck is wrong with the size of their heads? Thats normal size, wtf. Yeah, heads are so much bigger in Evangelion. You think everyone in Eva has a misshapen, huge head, like it was K-On or something (for example, everyone in K-On looks like they have Down Syndrome)? I even said that despite its many problems, the show looked fine, but this is the first time I've heard someone complain about the character design in it. On May 04 2012 02:44 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:41 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:39 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage? yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift? So, apparently you can't even address any of the points I made about it, so you have to resort to this? Can you really not defend it at all? I didn't see any points other than "Shinji is a pussy", "Asuka didn't jump on the MC's dick", and "Rei is not a healthy human female", the hell is there to say about that? The point made was that every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. Shinji doesn't have to be alpha as fuck, Asuka didn't have to be on Shinji's dick, Rei didn't have to be a healthy human female. In anime, there are countlless decent-to-good characters who aren't like that. But having an entire cast full of people who are painful to watch (shinji), makes you want them to die (asuka), or not really a character (rei) is a very bad thing, is it not? Did you want another iteration of "fearless teenagers vs the universe"? Why is everything so black-and-white with your defense of it? Its like if all the characters aren't horrible, they gotta be like the cast in Gurren Lagann, right? No shades of grey at all inbetween. Characters can only either be like Shinji or Kamina, not possible to have another type? So you wanted the characters to act like normal people? Like they did for a while during the middle part of the series, when Asuka was living with Shinji and Misato, and Shinji became more open and confident, and Asuka had a perfectly fine relationship with everyone else (except for maybe Rei)? That part before everything went to shit and the characters reveal their psychological problems, which was the whole fucking point of Evangelion (beyond the giant fighting robots and the pretty Christian imagery that Anno added literally because he though he looked cool)? Yes, like what happened during the middle part of the series, before "everything went to shit". So you are also telling me the point of Evangelion was to be garbage?
Yes, if exploring the themes of depression and other mental illnesses is what you call garbage. Clearly Anime is meant as a medium to portray badass fight scenes and moe 2d girls, anything else would be unacceptable, or "garbage".
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Awwwww yeah. All aboard on the Book Train!
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On May 04 2012 03:12 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 03:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 03:03 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:50 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:41 Emnjay808 wrote:Its hard to take Evangelion seriously when their heads are so big. Look at dem forheads, jesus christ... What the fuck is wrong with the size of their heads? Thats normal size, wtf. Yeah, heads are so much bigger in Evangelion. You think everyone in Eva has a misshapen, huge head, like it was K-On or something (for example, everyone in K-On looks like they have Down Syndrome)? I even said that despite its many problems, the show looked fine, but this is the first time I've heard someone complain about the character design in it. On May 04 2012 02:44 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:41 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:39 mcimba42 wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:On May 04 2012 02:33 biology]major wrote:
thats just the way evangelion is supposed to be, some people arent meant to be heroes and will stay bitches for life So its meant to be garbage? yea eva is ass i have no idea how people can enjoy it the main guy is some whiny kid whos afraid of getting into a giant robot and fighting giant murderous aliens with less training than the average traffic cop and he doesnt even become a fearless alpha male through sheer willpower, what a fucking joke man, does he even lift? So, apparently you can't even address any of the points I made about it, so you have to resort to this? Can you really not defend it at all? I didn't see any points other than "Shinji is a pussy", "Asuka didn't jump on the MC's dick", and "Rei is not a healthy human female", the hell is there to say about that? The point made was that every single character in Evangelion sucked horribly. Shinji doesn't have to be alpha as fuck, Asuka didn't have to be on Shinji's dick, Rei didn't have to be a healthy human female. In anime, there are countlless decent-to-good characters who aren't like that. But having an entire cast full of people who are painful to watch (shinji), makes you want them to die (asuka), or not really a character (rei) is a very bad thing, is it not? Did you want another iteration of "fearless teenagers vs the universe"? Why is everything so black-and-white with your defense of it? Its like if all the characters aren't horrible, they gotta be like the cast in Gurren Lagann, right? No shades of grey at all inbetween. Characters can only either be like Shinji or Kamina, not possible to have another type? So you wanted the characters to act like normal people? Like they did for a while during the middle part of the series, when Asuka was living with Shinji and Misato, and Shinji became more open and confident, and Asuka had a perfectly fine relationship with everyone else (except for maybe Rei)? That part before everything went to shit and the characters reveal their psychological problems, which was the whole fucking point of Evangelion (beyond the giant fighting robots and the pretty Christian imagery that Anno added literally because he though he looked cool)? Yes, like what happened during the middle part of the series, before "everything went to shit". So you are also telling me the point of Evangelion was to be garbage? Yes, if exploring the themes of depression and other mental illnesses is what you call garbage. Clearly Anime is meant as a medium to portray badass fight scenes and moe 2d girls, anything else would be unacceptable, or "garbage".
Again, you are completely stuck on black-and-white Strawman arguments. Are you really that unable to discuss it?
There are countless anime out there that explores the themes of depression. Yet few of them are as bad as Evangelion. You have a flawed character, you develop them, and in the end, they overcome "something" (could be mental, emotional, or physical). In Evangelion, however, you have a flawed character, they try to develop them, and then at the end NOPE takes a huge shit on everything that ever happened in the anime and hes worse than before. Its complete and total shit. Even Code Geass had more respect for its viewers than Evangelion did.
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