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On April 21 2012 16:06 Quintum_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 14:54 Nagisama wrote:On April 21 2012 14:24 Sentenal wrote:Sure, you can start watching Code Geass R2 without having watched the series. Sure, you won't know anything about the setting or backstory, or who any of the characters are. But at least you certain stuff is bad and is killing stuff. On April 21 2012 14:23 Nagisama wrote:On April 21 2012 14:18 Sentenal wrote:On April 21 2012 14:16 Zergneedsfood wrote:
It's just not a direct sequel, lol. Like, it'd be preferred if you watched the original, but given what I've seen in Ao so far, nothing has really been presented that absolutely requires knowledge of the original.
But if they're two different stories, I don't see what's the big problem. Alright, I'm gonna go watch Gundam SEED Destiny without having watched SEED. Or ZZ Gundam without having watched Zeta. What could go wrong? Also, wtf does "direct sequel" mean? Direct sequel: The series starts exactly where the first one leaves off, barely no time is skipped. Knowledge of the first series pretty much required to have any clue wtf is going on. Eg. ZZ and Zeta, Nanoha, Gundam 00. Not as direct sequel?: Massive time skip? just in same universe and story starts from scratch again. Knowing first series is beneficial, and may add to better enjoyment, but not necessary. Eg. Aquarion? At least, my thoughts on it. But I think it just depends on the series really. Aquarion is a special case and you know it. Nanoha has years inbetween each show, lots of years in StrikerS's case. Gundam SEED Destiny and Gundam 00 have years inbetween them too. Ao is called a sequel, not a side story. Alright, I admit most of my arguments for the "not as direct sequel" spawn from the fact that the only recent example I could think of was Aquarion EVOL and that I watched that before the first one, and that it's a pretty special case in itself because of the 12000 year time skip. Obviously, it's always best to have watched the first series before watching a sequel. There are very few examples (Aquarion, MAYBE R2) where you can actually watch the sequel w/o prior knowledge of the series before it and trying to group them into a specific category of "not as direct sequel" clearly doesn't work. Basically, it depends. As for AGE Sent, you can't really say gen1/gen2/gen3 are sequels in AGE. It's all within the same single series. You're taking the "massive time skip" as the only requirement for "not as direct sequels", instead of a possible criteria. A direct squeal to me is when there is continuity in the plot, time is not really a factor. So while something could have happened 200 years ago as an example in x series 1 and series 2 is 200 years later but still ties into the events of the first in some way. I would not consider AO a squeal if it just has eureka and maybe renton in it(I mean who else is going to be Ao dad with those looks, he looks like a mini renton as a kid) but it is like the plot of the first never happened.
Best explanation I've seen. Unless Ao continues the plot from the original series or references it heavily, he probably doesn't need to watch it. Granted, he may enjoy the original series, and it may make Ao more enjoyable, but that doesn't make it a prerequisite.
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Not watching it won't affect the continuity with Ao you have a brand new cast of characters and little to no mention of the previous characters. With a few canon appearances aside you really aren't missing much of anything, if there's one thing I would be worried about missing is the mechanics of this universe's mechs like trapar and the monsters etc etc. Most of which seems new to the series to me....I don't remember anything about Scub's being in E7 this honestly seems more similar to Evangelion and the Angels lmao
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On April 21 2012 16:23 Monokeros wrote:
Not watching it won't affect the continuity with Ao you have a brand new cast of characters and little to no mention of the previous characters. With a few canon appearances aside you really aren't missing much of anything, if there's one thing I would be worried about missing is the mechanics of this universe's mechs like trapar and the monsters etc etc. Most of which seems new to the series to me....I don't remember anything about Scub's being in E7 this honestly seems more similar to Evangelion and the Angels lmao
Lol, then you have forgotten quite a bit. The whole plot of the first series revolves around the scub. And i think it is still to early to make that call.While it does seem to be headed that way though. with the moon being a big tell. They could still weave the plot of the first in after the "intro" of the series is over. Should be clear in the next couple episodes though .
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On April 21 2012 16:06 Quintum_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 14:54 Nagisama wrote:On April 21 2012 14:24 Sentenal wrote:Sure, you can start watching Code Geass R2 without having watched the series. Sure, you won't know anything about the setting or backstory, or who any of the characters are. But at least you certain stuff is bad and is killing stuff. On April 21 2012 14:23 Nagisama wrote:On April 21 2012 14:18 Sentenal wrote:On April 21 2012 14:16 Zergneedsfood wrote:
It's just not a direct sequel, lol. Like, it'd be preferred if you watched the original, but given what I've seen in Ao so far, nothing has really been presented that absolutely requires knowledge of the original.
But if they're two different stories, I don't see what's the big problem. Alright, I'm gonna go watch Gundam SEED Destiny without having watched SEED. Or ZZ Gundam without having watched Zeta. What could go wrong? Also, wtf does "direct sequel" mean? Direct sequel: The series starts exactly where the first one leaves off, barely no time is skipped. Knowledge of the first series pretty much required to have any clue wtf is going on. Eg. ZZ and Zeta, Nanoha, Gundam 00. Not as direct sequel?: Massive time skip? just in same universe and story starts from scratch again. Knowing first series is beneficial, and may add to better enjoyment, but not necessary. Eg. Aquarion? At least, my thoughts on it. But I think it just depends on the series really. Aquarion is a special case and you know it. Nanoha has years inbetween each show, lots of years in StrikerS's case. Gundam SEED Destiny and Gundam 00 have years inbetween them too. Ao is called a sequel, not a side story. Alright, I admit most of my arguments for the "not as direct sequel" spawn from the fact that the only recent example I could think of was Aquarion EVOL and that I watched that before the first one, and that it's a pretty special case in itself because of the 12000 year time skip. Obviously, it's always best to have watched the first series before watching a sequel. There are very few examples (Aquarion, MAYBE R2) where you can actually watch the sequel w/o prior knowledge of the series before it and trying to group them into a specific category of "not as direct sequel" clearly doesn't work. Basically, it depends. As for AGE Sent, you can't really say gen1/gen2/gen3 are sequels in AGE. It's all within the same single series. You're taking the "massive time skip" as the only requirement for "not as direct sequels", instead of a possible criteria. A direct squeal to me is when there is continuity in the plot, time is not really a factor. So while something could have happened 200 years ago as an example in x series 1 and series 2 is 200 years later but still ties into the events of the first in some way. I would not consider AO a squeal if it just has eureka and maybe renton in it(I mean who else is going to be Ao dad with those looks, he looks like a mini renton as a kid) but it is like the plot of the first never happened.
See, the problem with this argument (not Quintum specifically but this argument in general) is assuming that the first story is not going to be an important factor in the plot. At 2 episodes in, we really have no idea what the emphasis is going to be on. Maybe it'll just be Ao's own story with cameo appearances of former characters. In this case, sure, you can watch this without seeing the original. But I would think it's more natural to assume that a sequel does not work this way. Having a new set of characters certainly points toward the former but that alone is not enough to indicate one way or another.
Based on what we've seen, yes, the original isn't very important aside from the MC is almost 100% kid of Renton and Eureka. However, I think it's too early to cast away the original work as something largely irrelevant to Ao. Maybe everything about Ao will be some sort of delayed consequences of actions taken during the original. If nothing else, I think the whole history of Coralians and related info is really important to know, unless Ao does some history lessons, which is certainly possible (and really, ANY "sequel" can be understood without the original with enough flashbacks/history lessons). The argument that the original is not needed is not technically wrong at this point in time but it makes a pretty big assumption that I would not make after only 2 episodes.
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On April 21 2012 16:23 Monokeros wrote:
Not watching it won't affect the continuity with Ao you have a brand new cast of characters and little to no mention of the previous characters. With a few canon appearances aside you really aren't missing much of anything, if there's one thing I would be worried about missing is the mechanics of this universe's mechs like trapar and the monsters etc etc. Most of which seems new to the series to me....I don't remember anything about Scub's being in E7 this honestly seems more similar to Evangelion and the Angels lmao
Are you kidding me ? You dont remember trapar waves and the Scub coral from E7 ? Are you really serious ? The whole fucking sport of Lifting is only possible because of trapar waves. Or do you not remember kids surfing the sky in E7 either ? Screw that, most of the main Robots cant even fly without Trapars and are basically Scubs fitted with mech exoskeletons. The Scub coral is the only reason said waves exist and is a huge driving force in how you understand the technology in E7.
+ Show Spoiler +In short Scub Coral is the entire reason shit is even happening in E7, and CLEARRYY that has carried over to this show in a big way. Because there is scub blowing shit up and G monsters attacking humans + Show Spoiler +and we know from E7 that the Scub is not omfg evil. Which begs the question WHAAAIIII ?
Seems to me like you either havent seen the original or just dont know what your talking about. Either way recommending not watching the original on "that" basis alone is.. well for lack of a better word. Stupid. There is no reason you might not still get by, already said that much. As Kaze pointed out there probably will be some kind of history lesson. But that might just leave you with more questions than answers. Because clearly 50+ episodes in the original werent able to clarify this to some people.
+ Show Spoiler +Eureka is a humanoid manifestation of Scub, Ao is her son. DOH !
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The arguments saying you can watch Ao without watching E7 are the same type of arguments that would say you could watch Gundam SEED Destiny or ZZ Gundam without watching what came before them. And thats retarded. Or are you people going to tell me you can watch Destiny without watching SEED, even though they take place years apart, Destiny starts with a different cast, and is about a different war?
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Can u watch Zeta without watching the original Gundam Sent?
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my favorite time of the day is almost here! just one more hours to go
+ Show Spoiler +last arc should cover up to vol 3, which I have heard good things about
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Actually, if anything, Ao is the prequel and E7 the sequel. Ao takes place on Earth, E7 takes place on the "Promised Land", or + Show Spoiler +Earth after scrub corals have formed a crust over it
Now there can still be some connections - apparently E7 movie was just E7 story on Earth rather than Promised Land (dunno how, Eva type rewind powers?), but honestly it is highly unlikely for anything from E7 to be a major factor.
And no, MC isn't Renton and Eureka's kid unless they time traveled a few thousand years in the past, at which point I am willing to just dismiss the entire anime rightaway. The Renton and Eureka of the movie are also some 20 years after Ao and is in an alternative universe. Again if those got tied in I am just going to dismiss the series, or fuck it the entire project Eureka.
The intent was probably just to tell the story of Renton again with a different setting w/ slightly different technology to the result that we know - that Humanity left earth because scrub corals are beating their ass. So will E7 matter? Probably not much. Something like this is much closer to either F/Z or the Aquarion genesis rather than whatever you people have listed so far, zzzzzzz
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On April 22 2012 01:05 Ecael wrote:Actually, if anything, Ao is the prequel and E7 the sequel. Ao takes place on Earth, E7 takes place on the "Promised Land", or + Show Spoiler +Earth after scrub corals have formed a crust over it . If memory serves, Ao is some at least thousands of years after E7. Now there can still be some connections - apparently E7 movie was just E7 story on Earth rather than Promised Land (dunno how, Eva type rewind powers?), but honestly it is highly unlikely for anything from E7 to be a major factor. And no, MC isn't Renton and Eureka's kid unless they time traveled a few thousand years in the past, at which point I am willing to just dismiss the entire anime rightaway. The Renton and Eureka of the movie are also some 20 years after Ao.
This is getting confusing now. It's going from 10-15 year time skip to now few thousand years?
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On April 22 2012 01:15 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 01:05 Ecael wrote:Actually, if anything, Ao is the prequel and E7 the sequel. Ao takes place on Earth, E7 takes place on the "Promised Land", or + Show Spoiler +Earth after scrub corals have formed a crust over it . If memory serves, Ao is some at least thousands of years after E7. Now there can still be some connections - apparently E7 movie was just E7 story on Earth rather than Promised Land (dunno how, Eva type rewind powers?), but honestly it is highly unlikely for anything from E7 to be a major factor. And no, MC isn't Renton and Eureka's kid unless they time traveled a few thousand years in the past, at which point I am willing to just dismiss the entire anime rightaway. The Renton and Eureka of the movie are also some 20 years after Ao. This is getting confusing now. It's going from 10-15 year time skip to now few thousand years?
2 universes, the movie universe is around 20 years after Ao. The original TV series universe is some thousands of years after. Probably best to consider movie its own thing and forget forever.
Ao is the earliest in the timeline both cases, ignore the typo from the old version of the post you quoted.
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On April 22 2012 01:32 Maxie wrote:Fate Zero 16: + Show Spoiler +I loved the darkness in this episode. Bloody good.
+ Show Spoiler [Fate/Zero - 16] +Kiritsugu is a master troll and a monster. Manipulate Kayneth into signing the contract to save Sola-Ui and himself from Kiritsugu and forcing Diarmuid to kill himself. Then seconds later have Maiya finish them both off. Keikaku doori!
And that rage by Diarmuid as he dies and curses the Grail! After all the talk of pride on the battlefield, you have to feel for him. Kiritsugu doesn't care how he wins as long as he wins. By any means necessary.
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F/Z 16:
+ Show Spoiler +The clash between Kiritsugu and Saber alone was enough to make the episode awesome... and yeah, Diarmuid's rage was incredible, having him do that in the middle of their super honourable duel was... well, let's just say that I can understand why he reacted that way (and fuck, his bloody/crazy/angry face looked really scary to me)...
I do wonder what happened to Iri though, I know she's gonna die sooner or later but I'm really not looking forward to it...
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Being Lancer is suffering, haven't you learned from all of the Fate related materials yet?
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any Lancer getting shafted is Fate stuff is totally standard at this point.
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The World God Only Knows 186
+ Show Spoiler +For sure, this is the best chapter in a long time. Looks like development coming and Mercury probably will reveal herself in the next week.
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hahaha poor Lancer-kun. Berserker forgot about his friend this time D:
On April 22 2012 01:16 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 01:15 Nagisama wrote:On April 22 2012 01:05 Ecael wrote:Actually, if anything, Ao is the prequel and E7 the sequel. Ao takes place on Earth, E7 takes place on the "Promised Land", or + Show Spoiler +Earth after scrub corals have formed a crust over it . If memory serves, Ao is some at least thousands of years after E7. Now there can still be some connections - apparently E7 movie was just E7 story on Earth rather than Promised Land (dunno how, Eva type rewind powers?), but honestly it is highly unlikely for anything from E7 to be a major factor. And no, MC isn't Renton and Eureka's kid unless they time traveled a few thousand years in the past, at which point I am willing to just dismiss the entire anime rightaway. The Renton and Eureka of the movie are also some 20 years after Ao. This is getting confusing now. It's going from 10-15 year time skip to now few thousand years? 2 universes, the movie universe is around 20 years after Ao. The original TV series universe is some thousands of years after. Probably best to consider movie its own thing and forget forever. Ao is the earliest in the timeline both cases, ignore the typo from the old version of the post you quoted.
I didn't watch the movie so I wasn't aware it was like that but this actually answers a lot of the questions I had. Few thousand years prior and not in the "Promised Land" makes the Ao world much more logical when I was previously thinking it was a sequel. Pretty much everyone thought it was a sequel though, do you have a source for this or is it just based off logic from what we know about the E7 universe(s)?
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On April 22 2012 02:53 KazeHydra wrote:hahaha poor Lancer-kun. Berserker forgot about his friend this time D: Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 01:16 Ecael wrote:On April 22 2012 01:15 Nagisama wrote:On April 22 2012 01:05 Ecael wrote:Actually, if anything, Ao is the prequel and E7 the sequel. Ao takes place on Earth, E7 takes place on the "Promised Land", or + Show Spoiler +Earth after scrub corals have formed a crust over it . If memory serves, Ao is some at least thousands of years after E7. Now there can still be some connections - apparently E7 movie was just E7 story on Earth rather than Promised Land (dunno how, Eva type rewind powers?), but honestly it is highly unlikely for anything from E7 to be a major factor. And no, MC isn't Renton and Eureka's kid unless they time traveled a few thousand years in the past, at which point I am willing to just dismiss the entire anime rightaway. The Renton and Eureka of the movie are also some 20 years after Ao. This is getting confusing now. It's going from 10-15 year time skip to now few thousand years? 2 universes, the movie universe is around 20 years after Ao. The original TV series universe is some thousands of years after. Probably best to consider movie its own thing and forget forever. Ao is the earliest in the timeline both cases, ignore the typo from the old version of the post you quoted. I didn't watch the movie so I wasn't aware it was like that but this actually answers a lot of the questions I had. Few thousand years prior and not in the "Promised Land" makes the Ao world much more logical when I was previously thinking it was a sequel. Pretty much everyone thought it was a sequel though, do you have a source for this or is it just based off logic from what we know about the E7 universe(s)?
Japanese wiki + official site information plus what we know of Project Eureka worldview. Information available in English should pretty much tell you the same thing anyway, look at the post prior and see if it matches what you know.
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On April 22 2012 03:09 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 02:53 KazeHydra wrote:hahaha poor Lancer-kun. Berserker forgot about his friend this time D: On April 22 2012 01:16 Ecael wrote:On April 22 2012 01:15 Nagisama wrote:On April 22 2012 01:05 Ecael wrote:Actually, if anything, Ao is the prequel and E7 the sequel. Ao takes place on Earth, E7 takes place on the "Promised Land", or + Show Spoiler +Earth after scrub corals have formed a crust over it . If memory serves, Ao is some at least thousands of years after E7. Now there can still be some connections - apparently E7 movie was just E7 story on Earth rather than Promised Land (dunno how, Eva type rewind powers?), but honestly it is highly unlikely for anything from E7 to be a major factor. And no, MC isn't Renton and Eureka's kid unless they time traveled a few thousand years in the past, at which point I am willing to just dismiss the entire anime rightaway. The Renton and Eureka of the movie are also some 20 years after Ao. This is getting confusing now. It's going from 10-15 year time skip to now few thousand years? 2 universes, the movie universe is around 20 years after Ao. The original TV series universe is some thousands of years after. Probably best to consider movie its own thing and forget forever. Ao is the earliest in the timeline both cases, ignore the typo from the old version of the post you quoted. I didn't watch the movie so I wasn't aware it was like that but this actually answers a lot of the questions I had. Few thousand years prior and not in the "Promised Land" makes the Ao world much more logical when I was previously thinking it was a sequel. Pretty much everyone thought it was a sequel though, do you have a source for this or is it just based off logic from what we know about the E7 universe(s)? Japanese wiki + official site information plus what we know of Project Eureka worldview. Information available in English should pretty much tell you the same thing anyway, look at the post prior and see if it matches what you know.
Ah okay, just wondering why no one else seemed to realize it was a prequel. I don't actually care about E7 that much so never bothered to look up information on it. I have like 3 friends who think E7 is the greatest anime ever (idk...) and they all say it's a direct sequel lol.
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