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Zergneedsfood
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Gao Xi
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On April 21 2012 14:02 Zergneedsfood wrote: Well, I watched Ao, and it didn't really feel like I needed to watch E7 to really get it. It feels like a whole different story. Sure you might not understand some of those alien things are...but eh. Well if you didn't watch E7 then you wouldnt be getting the full picture | ||
Sentenal
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Zergneedsfood
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But if they're two different stories, I don't see what's the big problem. | ||
Sentenal
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On April 21 2012 14:16 Zergneedsfood wrote: It's just not a direct sequel, lol. Like, it'd be preferred if you watched the original, but given what I've seen in Ao so far, nothing has really been presented that absolutely requires knowledge of the original. But if they're two different stories, I don't see what's the big problem. Alright, I'm gonna go watch Gundam SEED Destiny without having watched SEED. Or ZZ Gundam without having watched Zeta. What could go wrong? Also, wtf does "direct sequel" mean? | ||
Zergneedsfood
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I'm just saying, that it might be preferred, but you're not going to be completely clueless. I barely remember anything from E7 other than that green stuff that comes out of the machines, but it's not like I'm missing out on anything, and I for sure don't want to spend 50 episodes rewatching Renton again. | ||
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Nagisama
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On April 21 2012 14:18 Sentenal wrote: Alright, I'm gonna go watch Gundam SEED Destiny without having watched SEED. Or ZZ Gundam without having watched Zeta. What could go wrong? Also, wtf does "direct sequel" mean? Direct sequel: The series starts exactly where the first one leaves off, barely no time is skipped. Knowledge of the first series pretty much required to have any clue wtf is going on. Eg. ZZ and Zeta, Nanoha, Gundam 00. Not as direct sequel?: Massive time skip? just in same universe and story starts from scratch again. Knowing first series is beneficial, and may add to better enjoyment, but not necessary. Eg. Aquarion? At least, my thoughts on it. But I think it just depends on the series really. | ||
Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On April 21 2012 14:23 Nagisama wrote: Direct sequel: The series starts exactly where the first one leaves off, barely no time is skipped. Knowledge of the first series pretty much required to have any clue wtf is going on. Eg. ZZ and Zeta, Nanoha, Gundam 00. Not as direct sequel?: Massive time skip? just in same universe and story starts from scratch again. Knowing first series is beneficial, and may add to better enjoyment, but not necessary. Eg. Aquarion? At least, my thoughts on it. But I think it just depends on the series really. Yeah. That's what I was trying to go for. I'm just too dumb to formulate a good response sometimes. >.> | ||
Sentenal
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On April 21 2012 14:23 Nagisama wrote: Direct sequel: The series starts exactly where the first one leaves off, barely no time is skipped. Knowledge of the first series pretty much required to have any clue wtf is going on. Eg. ZZ and Zeta, Nanoha, Gundam 00. Not as direct sequel?: Massive time skip? just in same universe and story starts from scratch again. Knowing first series is beneficial, and may add to better enjoyment, but not necessary. Eg. Aquarion? At least, my thoughts on it. But I think it just depends on the series really. Aquarion is a special case and you know it. Nanoha has years inbetween each show, lots of years in StrikerS's case. Gundam SEED Destiny and Gundam 00 have years inbetween them too. Ao is called a sequel, not a side story. | ||
Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
On April 21 2012 14:23 Nagisama wrote: Direct sequel: The series starts exactly where the first one leaves off, barely no time is skipped. Knowledge of the first series pretty much required to have any clue wtf is going on. Eg. ZZ and Zeta, Nanoha, Gundam 00. Not as direct sequel?: Massive time skip? just in same universe and story starts from scratch again. Knowing first series is beneficial, and may add to better enjoyment, but not necessary. Eg. Aquarion? At least, my thoughts on it. But I think it just depends on the series really. Aquarion EVOL is a GREAT EXAMPLE you DON'T have to know about the previous series to get into this one, there are a few throwbacks (as in EVOL with the pairings/angels some characters etc) but you can get plenty out of the story without watching it. Obviously since the story is about Eureka's son (pretty sure that's who he is) then you're going to get more from watching E7 but the whole of Eureka Seven isn't needed to understand some of their nods to the previous series. Heck even after watching E7 I still don't understand some of their universes mechanics like trapar and all of that, which I'm sure they'll explain with some nice exposition when he gets onto the crew and he gets his "mandatory training montage episode" @Sent this series has basically NO canon appearances of people from the previous series so it makes it a lot easier to watch for new viewers imo, heck Gundam ZZ you had to have watched regular Gundam along with Zeta to figure out what was going on. Gundam isn't exactly a great comparison, since it loves reward fans with little nods to its previous series (in the same universe and others rarely/obscurely/vageuly or w/e) Same with Code Geass since you have the exact same protagonist/antagonist (to an extent since the whole show was a cluster-fuck of what sometimes). | ||
Zergneedsfood
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On April 21 2012 14:24 Sentenal wrote: Sure, you can start watching Code Geass R2 without having watched the series. Sure, you won't know anything about the setting or backstory, or who any of the characters are. But at least you certain stuff is bad and is killing stuff. Like I said, we're arguing two different things. R2 happens almost immediately after R1. For Ao, it's a massive time skip, and generally speaking, the episodes have done a decent job of explaining/giving good hints about how things work. Again, I only remember the machine mechanics and Eureka from the original, and I'm not that lost. Ao is all about completely new characters, a new story, a new setting, and most of the things from the old plot are pretty irrelevant at this point. You might miss out on a few things, but not much. Yes, you'll benefit from watching 50 episodes, but since I don't think it'll really help that much, I'm saying unless you really really really want to understand some of the references in Ao, it's not that necessary. On April 21 2012 14:24 Sentenal wrote: Sure, you can start watching Code Geass R2 without having watched the series. Sure, you won't know anything about the setting or backstory, or who any of the characters are. But at least you certain stuff is bad and is killing stuff. Aquarion is a special case and you know it. Nanoha has years inbetween each show, lots of years in StrikerS's case. Gundam SEED Destiny and Gundam 00 have years inbetween them too. Ao is called a sequel, not a side story. Ao is a sequel only because it happens after the original, and it's almost a decade after the original. Ao features a new set of characters that we haven't met before, while Nanoha features the same main characters. | ||
Rebs
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On April 21 2012 14:02 Zergneedsfood wrote: Well, I watched Ao, and it didn't really feel like I needed to watch E7 to really get it. It feels like a whole different story. Sure you might not understand some of those alien things are...but eh. Yeah, having no idea what the Scub coral is doesnt take away to much from whats going on in AO. They is just bad alien type things causing destruction. + Show Spoiler + Except they arent and if you rememberd E7 you'd know thats not exactly the case. This also impacts the story quite significantly. Maybe it doesnt feel like a big deal now, but things seem like they will get messier. If people are saying you need to watch it, then there are pretty good reasons and not just this one. CBA to go through all of em. Renton is probably not likely one of those reasons aside from probably being his dad. | ||
Sentenal
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On April 21 2012 14:27 Monokeros wrote: Aquarion EVOL is a GREAT EXAMPLE you DON'T have to know about the previous series to get into this one, there are a few throwbacks (as in EVOL with the pairings/angels some characters etc) but you can get plenty out of the story without watching it. Obviously since the story is about Eureka's son (pretty sure that's who he is) then you're going to get more from watching E7 but the whole of Eureka Seven isn't needed to understand some of their nods to the previous series. Heck even after watching E7 I still don't understand some of their universes mechanics like trapar and all of that, which I'm sure they'll explain with some nice exposition when he gets onto the crew and he gets his "mandatory training montage episode" @Sent this series has basically NO canon appearances of people from the previous series so it makes it a lot easier to watch for new viewers imo, heck Gundam ZZ you had to have watched regular Gundam along with Zeta to figure out what was going on. Gundam isn't exactly a great comparison, since it loves reward fans with little nods to its previous series (in the same universe and others rarely/obscurely/vageuly or w/e) Same with Code Geass since you have the exact same protagonist/antagonist (to an extent since the whole show was a cluster-fuck of what sometimes). So are you telling me the MC in Ao isn't Renton's son, and neither Renton or Eureka will be showing up in significant ways in Ao? There is plenty of president for this type of sequel. Gundam SEED Destiny is a perfect example, you didn't even know where Kira was in that till like episode 11. I like how me and Gao are the only ones who are remotely sane in this topic, even though we have extremely different options on E7 lol | ||
Zergneedsfood
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On April 21 2012 14:32 Rebs wrote: Yeah, having no idea what the Scrub coral is doesnt take away to much from whats going on in AO. They is just bad alien type things causing destruction. + Show Spoiler + Except they arent and if you rememberd E7 you'd know thats not exactly the case. This also impacts the story quite significantly. Maybe it doesnt feel like a big deal now, but things seem like they will get messier. If people are saying you need to watch it, then there are pretty good reasons and not just this one. CBA to go through all of em. Renton is probably not likely one of those reasons. I mean sure, there's important stuff about the scub, but the reason why I don't think that's necessary is that it'll probably be explained in Ao (given how they're structuring the story so far) and even so, it doesn't really justify watching all 50 episodes. On April 21 2012 14:33 Sentenal wrote: So are you telling me the MC in Ao isn't Renton's son, and neither Renton or Eureka will be showing up in significant ways in Ao? There is plenty of president for this type of sequel. Gundam SEED Destiny is a perfect example, you didn't even know where Kira was in that till like episode 11. I like how me and Gao are the only ones who are remotely sane in this topic, even though we have extremely different options on E7 lol I haven't watched E7 in a year. I remember stuff, but I hardly think there's anything that really has helped me liked Ao even more than I do. As long as that's true, is there really an issue in saying that one doesn't need to watch E7? | ||
Sentenal
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On April 21 2012 14:35 Zergneedsfood wrote: I mean sure, there's important stuff about the scub, but the reason why I don't think that's necessary is that it'll probably be explained in Ao (given how they're structuring the story so far) and even so, it doesn't really justify watching all 50 episodes. I haven't watched E7 in a year. I've forgotten practically everything except for the things that aren't easily wiki'd. I understand Ao perfectly. As long as that's true, is there really an issue in saying that one doesn't need to watch E7? You can watch any sequel before the first one, but that doesn't make it smart or suggested. Watching GSD before SEED is retarded, but Harem did it. Doesn't make it any less stupid though. Also, wtf is wrong with your memory if you can't remember anything about an anime you watched only a year ago? | ||
Rebs
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On April 21 2012 14:35 Zergneedsfood wrote: I haven't watched E7 in a year. I remember stuff, but I hardly think there's anything that really has helped me liked Ao even more than I do. As long as that's true, is there really an issue in saying that one doesn't need to watch E7? Well you can fix that here. If you want. I dont know like I said before you could probably get by, but it'll take way to much away where you'll probably be left with more questions than answers. And honestly that stuff about trapar waves and corals isnt that difficult to get. Think its been 3-4 years since I saw it. I remember well enough. Shame on you for wasting this following piece of hard work (although why that show warranted so much is beyond me.) Although to be fair you could probably get most of the same non spoiler info from wiki or something + Show Spoiler + On December 23 2011 15:30 Gao Xi wrote: Eureka Seven [~Contains spoilers~] With the announcement of an Eureka Seven sequel (Eureka Seven: Astral Ocean) to air April 2012, I need to talk about E7 a bit. Eureka Seven was an anime that aired in 2005-06 by Studio Bones and when I was watching it at the time, it was very entertaining and a decently good anime. I will be going over some of the reasons why Eureka Seven was a excellent anime and one of my favourites. Eureka Seven touches on many themes and topics throughout the anime including love, religion, war, and family. The main character, Renton, is forced to deal with the aspects of adulthood all triggered by unforeseen circumstances at home. Renton’s journey throughout the duration of Eureka Seven was his transition from childhood to adulthood, a loss of innocence. Not only was the story entertaining, the music as well as the visuals were also very good, which added to the overall experience to make it very enjoyable. Renton is shown as an underachiever who hates his life and wants change. He, however, never had the balls to do so, and escapes facing reality by “lifting“. His excuse for not willing to make change was that he was too young, too inexperienced to do so. Escaping into that “world” by adoring the sweet stories of Gekkostate and admiring them, for in his eyes, they are the embodiment of the change and life he wants to have. After Nirvash crashes into his room, he meets Eureka. For him, it was love at first sight, this represents his childishness and naivety because he likes her superficially. He finally decides he wants change after being faced with a choice to abandon all in his current life, to pursue (what he thinks is) a vastly more enjoyable life with his idols in Gekkostate and to follow the love of his life, Eureka. He unknowingly accepts many hardships to come that will shape him into a better person. “Don’t beg for it, Earn it. Then it will be granted to you.” with those words in mind he charges headfirst into the world. After arriving on the Gekko, he is shown that the life in Gekkostate wasn’t as glamorous as shown in the magazine. However, Gekkostate accepts him as part of his family (initially at least), and gives him a sense of family, after never really having one when he lived with his grandfather. This is followed by series of events that would slowly force Renton to take a step back away from the rose-colored glasses (primarily dealing with shit the kids do). He learns about different world perspectives but doesn’t fully comprehend them especially when it came to religion. He didn’t really have an opinion. After getting to know some of the Vodarac and then learning that they were anti-government labelled as terrorists and killed for their religion, he is torn by contending loyalties. The dark past of Gekkostate also shatters his preconceived view. When he starts having problems with Eureka, it was a test of his love. Though it was initially built on superficial ideals, he has grown strong enough for Renton to handle Eureka after her incident. Once he realizes he brutally murders an entire squad of KLFs and he is isolated from Gekkostate (but most importantly Eureka) He is forced to leave them, as he feels he is know longer feels like he is with them. This takes a lot balls to leave familiar surroundings and jump into the harsh world with nothing more than a backpack and a board. Now living a life of homelessness in an unknown city after being robbed of everything except his board, he finds the will to continue on. He finds a new “family” with Ray and Charles. This new family is a stark contrast to the “family” of Gekkostate. In Gekkostate, he was a punching bag for Holland, and he wasn’t really close enough with anyone other than Eureka. However with this new family, he is treated with respect, loved and appreciated. This speeds up the process of Renton getting close to Ray and Charles, as they were acting as the parent figures that he never had. Although he still does some of his dumb naïve shit, he was not scolded by Ray and Charles as they understand his perspective (there would be tremendously different actions if he was still with Gekkostate). Shortly after learning Ray and Charles’ real mission is to take back Nirvash and Eureka (and kill Gekkostate) he is again, torn by contending loyalties, his new family and his love for Eureka. This proves that his love for Eureka is real, and strong enough for him to chose a much harder life in order to be with her show signs that Renton is no longer that naïve little kid who escapes into his own world. As it goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer that Renton has become an adult. By the end of it, when you take a step back, it should feel like as if you raised him, watching his good days and bad days. Renton is obnoxious, annoying and extremely naive initially because it help contrasts the "beginning Renton" with the "end Renton". Renton is not the only person that has character development, throughout the series you could see everyone grow, individually and collectively as a group. Character development among other things are some of the reasons why I think it was really enjoyable. The music used throughout Eureka Seven is amazing. The OPs and EDs are all amazing, and the fact that they used some of the OPs as insert songs for certain moments really creates a very upbeat and optimistic atmosphere while at the same time highlighting what has or is happening, they also did a good job with this using the reoccurring insert song “Storywriter”. The OST of Eureka Seven is mostly orchestra which felt like a good choice when looking at it as a whole in the anime. You could feel the music but it wasn’t overpowering the moment. The animation for the battle scenes were also well done. They use of high and low angles helped drive the point home, without overdoing it. In terms of characters, they were decent. The kids though, oh god I hated the kids. However, seeing as Renton had to deal with that shit throughout most of the anime until the end, I have to respect him for that. For the best character of all, Anemone. For being a badass crazy bitch. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Eureka Seven also won multiple awards including “Best Television Series of 2006”, “Best Character Designs” “Best Female Character” and so on. And with that, hopefully you look forward to Eureka Seven: Ao as much as I do, and hopefully Bones does and epically good job like it did with Psalms of Planets Eureka seveN | ||
Zergneedsfood
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WHAT MORE OF A CONCESSION DO YOU WANT FROM ME?! D: | ||
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Nagisama
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On April 21 2012 14:24 Sentenal wrote: Sure, you can start watching Code Geass R2 without having watched the series. Sure, you won't know anything about the setting or backstory, or who any of the characters are. But at least you certain stuff is bad and is killing stuff. Aquarion is a special case and you know it. Nanoha has years inbetween each show, lots of years in StrikerS's case. Gundam SEED Destiny and Gundam 00 have years inbetween them too. Ao is called a sequel, not a side story. Alright, I admit most of my arguments for the "not as direct sequel" spawn from the fact that the only recent example I could think of was Aquarion EVOL and that I watched that before the first one, and that it's a pretty special case in itself because of the 12000 year time skip. Obviously, it's always best to have watched the first series before watching a sequel. There are very few examples (Aquarion, MAYBE R2) where you can actually watch the sequel w/o prior knowledge of the series before it and trying to group them into a specific category of "not as direct sequel" clearly doesn't work. Basically, it depends. As for AGE Sent, you can't really say gen1/gen2/gen3 are sequels in AGE. It's all within the same single series. You're taking the "massive time skip" as the only requirement for "not as direct sequels", instead of a possible criteria. | ||
Angel_
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Quintum_
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On April 21 2012 14:54 Nagisama wrote: Alright, I admit most of my arguments for the "not as direct sequel" spawn from the fact that the only recent example I could think of was Aquarion EVOL and that I watched that before the first one, and that it's a pretty special case in itself because of the 12000 year time skip. Obviously, it's always best to have watched the first series before watching a sequel. There are very few examples (Aquarion, MAYBE R2) where you can actually watch the sequel w/o prior knowledge of the series before it and trying to group them into a specific category of "not as direct sequel" clearly doesn't work. Basically, it depends. As for AGE Sent, you can't really say gen1/gen2/gen3 are sequels in AGE. It's all within the same single series. You're taking the "massive time skip" as the only requirement for "not as direct sequels", instead of a possible criteria. A direct squeal to me is when there is continuity in the plot, time is not really a factor. So while something could have happened 200 years ago as an example in x series 1 and series 2 is 200 years later but still ties into the events of the first in some way. I would not consider AO a squeal if it just has eureka and maybe renton in it(I mean who else is going to be Ao dad with those looks, he looks like a mini renton as a kid) but it is like the plot of the first never happened. | ||
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