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On December 19 2009 06:49 Bond(i2) wrote:
Holy crap, how can you guys watch so much romance school teenager harem. Seriously my eyes start bleeding 2 minutes into those animes. I wanna know how you can throw away your dignity and sense and find these animes watchable O_O
Because I'm lonely and living vicariously through anime highschool teenagers allows me to feel a shallow and temporary happiness that inevitably breaks down in my sleep as I realize the pathetic nature of my reality and weep for hours.
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On December 19 2009 05:14 mrmin123 wrote:
So should I check it out y/n
everything but episode 12
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I want another season of Seitokai.
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On December 19 2009 06:49 Bond(i2) wrote:
Holy crap, how can you guys watch so much romance school teenager harem. Seriously my eyes start bleeding 2 minutes into those animes. I wanna know how you can throw away your dignity and sense and find these animes watchable O_O It's kind of like an addiction, and I guess enjoying fanservice definitely helps. That said, some of them do have fantastic chemistry between the characters. This, I think, is what keeps me watching these kinds of anime.
The Dante's Inferno anime is based on the EA game, so expect a terrible story and a lack of philosophical ponderings. I just watched the trailer, and it describes itself as a "breathtaking new vision". I almost laughed. It's pretty bloody, but overall, it just looks ridiculously bad.
Kampfer episode 12... 
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Mystlord
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Expected to hear that about Dante's Inferno.
On December 19 2009 08:14 MYM.Testie wrote:
I want another season of Seitokai.
I think Seitokai suffers from the same problem as F/SN, in that it's produced by Studio Deen. Please switch studios for season 2.
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No I'm pretty sure I'd be happy if Studio Deen did season 2 as well. ;o
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can we just pretend kampfer episode 12 didnt happen and have a season 2 anyways?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On December 19 2009 14:30 MYM.Testie wrote:
No I'm pretty sure I'd be happy if Studio Deen did season 2 as well. ;o
Well I'm fine with Studio Deen doing F/SN UBW, but I know it would be better if another studio did it.
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I haven't dl'd ep 12 because of you fusion.
But I'm still like... super curious.
Maybe I should just d/l and skim through it anyway. Can it be worse than the breastmilk manga/anime? ;p
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On December 19 2009 04:57 fusionsdf wrote:
I thought episode 11 was awesome
probably my favorite of the entire series
I saw it and was hopeful for a season 2. It seemed like things were setting up well for a mix of harem comedy/increasing power levels/alien puppet masters/love-war between natsuru and kaede...
This really could have developed into an AMAZING anime if it went where I thought it was going to do.
And then they threw out (threw up) episode 12. Should have just been a pointless, funny, christmas themed omake. THATS ALL IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
IT WAS THE SINGLE WORST EPISODE OF ANIME I HAVE EVER SEEN. IT WAS COMPRESSED SHIT.
It went from bad->horrible->so bad its ok ->so bad its horrible ->WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
faster than you can believe. I would rather rewatch every single episode of endless eight 20 hours a day for the next 2 weeks than live through that atrocious episode again.
I want everyone to understand it wasnt just underwhelming or bad. Its so bad it uniquely bad. There is nothing bad like this episode was bad.
I hate my life just for watching that piece of shit episode.
Gj, I give you 9/10. Here, watch me swallow the bait;
You're raging over a retarded episode in a series that is filled with equally retarded things - a series which entire reason'd etre is fanservice /w tits+genderbeinding. I don't know about you, but I think most people figured out that "the plot" was only dressing and a convenient excuse for the former somewhere during the past 11 episodes of the series.
The best part is though how you're apparently totally fine with the series up to episode 11, but how episode 12, which for all bits and purposes wasn't much different from any other in the series aside from vague lack of continuity, somehow magically ruined some prospective Gloriously Awesome Visionary Continuation (tm) of the series you had cooked up in your head - Never mind the fact that it never would have become a reality anyway even without episode 12 "ruining it".
Also, FWIW, I thought the "end" of Ep12 was probably the best joke in the entire series :p.
Either way, if you want a semi-serious fanservice show with lot's of girls and a "plot", go watch Mai Hime, it's probably the best take on the concept.
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^doesnt know what hes talking about
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Wow I can't believe I missed Blue Literature until yesterday. By far the best anime this year, although that doesn't say a lot due to the extreme amount of shit shows.
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On December 19 2009 06:49 Bond(i2) wrote:
Holy crap, how can you guys watch so much romance school teenager harem. Seriously my eyes start bleeding 2 minutes into those animes. I wanna know how you can throw away your dignity and sense and find these animes watchable O_O
I never got it either but I just learned to accept them as they are
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On December 20 2009 02:17 Shauni wrote:
Wow I can't believe I missed Blue Literature until yesterday. By far the best anime this year, although that doesn't say a lot due to the extreme amount of shit shows.
I'd heap more praises on it if I can see it as a good (batch of) anime(s). It simply doesn't fall under the category of anime for me because it is just a ton of people being gathered to do a ton of famous literatures in animation form. I am having a hard time even evaluating how things go once you put them into animation form. So yeah...in all, I can't see it as an anime, I really just see it as "Hey go read the original work"
On December 19 2009 15:16 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 14:30 MYM.Testie wrote:
No I'm pretty sure I'd be happy if Studio Deen did season 2 as well. ;o Well I'm fine with Studio Deen doing F/SN UBW, but I know it would be better if another studio did it.
I am not sure what other studio I'd prefer to have Seitokai season 2 done by, Deen hasn't exactly done a bad job imo, nothing is making me just ignoring the anime and pretending that the light novel is the only medium this series is available in. They did manage to make me think that way for Umineko though.
On December 20 2009 01:44 fusionsdf wrote:
^doesnt know what hes talking about
From how I read it. "Kampfer sucks, Mai-hime is better, you are an idiot". Probably. To which, my response would probably be "Kettle, pot".
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On December 19 2009 06:18 Mori600 wrote:
What was the point of Endless Eight by the way. It was a major waste of time and a good way to let down the fans after 3 years of waiting.
No one is and no one here will argue with you.
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On December 20 2009 04:07 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 02:17 Shauni wrote:
Wow I can't believe I missed Blue Literature until yesterday. By far the best anime this year, although that doesn't say a lot due to the extreme amount of shit shows. I'd heap more praises on it if I can see it as a good (batch of) anime(s). It simply doesn't fall under the category of anime for me because it is just a ton of people being gathered to do a ton of famous literatures in animation form. I am having a hard time even evaluating how things go once you put them into animation form. So yeah...in all, I can't see it as an anime, I really just see it as "Hey go read the original work"
What's the difference between a ton of people being gathered to remake a light novel or manga in animated form?
Why do you always have to compare anime with the source material? Why do you have to 'evaluate how things go once you put it in animation form'? I'd prefer seeing it as it is instead of all the time going for 'the original is better' phrase or using similar comparisons. A lot of things are stolen from other works in secrecy, but when they do it publicly fans are disgusted and criticizes it regardless, whether the adaptation is being true to the original or sidetracking from it.
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On December 20 2009 04:32 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 04:07 Ecael wrote:On December 20 2009 02:17 Shauni wrote:
Wow I can't believe I missed Blue Literature until yesterday. By far the best anime this year, although that doesn't say a lot due to the extreme amount of shit shows. I'd heap more praises on it if I can see it as a good (batch of) anime(s). It simply doesn't fall under the category of anime for me because it is just a ton of people being gathered to do a ton of famous literatures in animation form. I am having a hard time even evaluating how things go once you put them into animation form. So yeah...in all, I can't see it as an anime, I really just see it as "Hey go read the original work" What's the difference between a ton of people being gathered to remake a light novel or manga in animated form? Why do you always have to compare anime with the source material? Why do you have to 'evaluate how things go once you put it in animation form'? I'd prefer seeing it as it is instead of all the time going for 'the original is better' phrase or using similar comparisons. A lot of things are stolen from other works in secrecy, but when they do it publicly fans are disgusted and criticizes it regardless, whether the adaptation is being true to the original or sidetracking from it.
I didn't say it was bad either, did I? I said that I can't evaluate it properly, but if I could, I'd heap praises on it.
As for why one wants to evaluate with the source material, why not? It certainly has a value of its own once turned into a different medium, but more often than not it is just that. A piece of work changed into a different media for representation. It is all nice to say that you should look at things as they are, but the best meterstick is more often than not the original work. While I certainly use that as the standard for a lot of things, it isn't like I just say that the original is better for every instance. Being an anime places a lot more restrictions to the work, in fact, often crippling restrictions. Let's take Umineko, to be able to fit into the 24~26ep format, it had to sacrifice a lot of the epic parts to the visual novel. Even if they are considerably less important to the problem solving part of the work, it contributes significantly to the amusement you get out of it. Blue Literature series had to compress it down even further, you don't see me complaining. I simply can't evaluate it properly, that's it.
Frankly, I don't care about the "stealing from other works" aspect, I am simply using something that I know already to be of a certain quality to judge something else that is supposed to be this work, but in a different medium. I've posted my reaction to Kara no Kyoukai here, and I don't think I've ever said anything along the line that the original is better by virtue of it being the original. I even defended chapter 6 of the said work, which anyone could tell you the original chapter runs nothing like that. Or we can look at seitokai, which compressed like 4 novels' worth of materials into a single season, yet I never quite expressed any issue with that. It might be annoying to constantly see complaints from me about how the anime is worse, but frankly, they are. An imitation should be lauded for trying to be like the original, but its flaws should not be ignored simply because of that.
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On December 20 2009 04:49 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 04:32 Shauni wrote:On December 20 2009 04:07 Ecael wrote:On December 20 2009 02:17 Shauni wrote:
Wow I can't believe I missed Blue Literature until yesterday. By far the best anime this year, although that doesn't say a lot due to the extreme amount of shit shows. I'd heap more praises on it if I can see it as a good (batch of) anime(s). It simply doesn't fall under the category of anime for me because it is just a ton of people being gathered to do a ton of famous literatures in animation form. I am having a hard time even evaluating how things go once you put them into animation form. So yeah...in all, I can't see it as an anime, I really just see it as "Hey go read the original work" What's the difference between a ton of people being gathered to remake a light novel or manga in animated form? Why do you always have to compare anime with the source material? Why do you have to 'evaluate how things go once you put it in animation form'? I'd prefer seeing it as it is instead of all the time going for 'the original is better' phrase or using similar comparisons. A lot of things are stolen from other works in secrecy, but when they do it publicly fans are disgusted and criticizes it regardless, whether the adaptation is being true to the original or sidetracking from it. Frankly, I don't care about the "stealing from other works" aspect, I am simply using something that I know already to be of a certain quality to judge something else that is supposed to be this work, but in a different medium.
The 'stealing from other works' sentence was just to make a point that if you don't know what it's based on it doesn't disturb you either. Ignorance is bliss and all that.
Yes, anime is a horrible medium for the most part, just because people make novel, game and manga adaptations without any sense of art and just plainly adding things sheepishly from the source. It is not creation. It may be called milking and stupefying but you still add the object movement and musical atmosphere that doesn't exist in manga or literature. My point is, an anime can be based on a manga, but it doesn't make the sensation similar and shouldn't be seen as 'the same'.
And even more so while talking about very loose sources alike Blue Literature, I don't see why even mentioning it would hold any significance as the anime can obviously stand on its own legs.
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On December 20 2009 05:10 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 04:49 Ecael wrote:On December 20 2009 04:32 Shauni wrote:On December 20 2009 04:07 Ecael wrote:On December 20 2009 02:17 Shauni wrote:
Wow I can't believe I missed Blue Literature until yesterday. By far the best anime this year, although that doesn't say a lot due to the extreme amount of shit shows. I'd heap more praises on it if I can see it as a good (batch of) anime(s). It simply doesn't fall under the category of anime for me because it is just a ton of people being gathered to do a ton of famous literatures in animation form. I am having a hard time even evaluating how things go once you put them into animation form. So yeah...in all, I can't see it as an anime, I really just see it as "Hey go read the original work" What's the difference between a ton of people being gathered to remake a light novel or manga in animated form? Why do you always have to compare anime with the source material? Why do you have to 'evaluate how things go once you put it in animation form'? I'd prefer seeing it as it is instead of all the time going for 'the original is better' phrase or using similar comparisons. A lot of things are stolen from other works in secrecy, but when they do it publicly fans are disgusted and criticizes it regardless, whether the adaptation is being true to the original or sidetracking from it. Frankly, I don't care about the "stealing from other works" aspect, I am simply using something that I know already to be of a certain quality to judge something else that is supposed to be this work, but in a different medium. The 'stealing from other works' sentence was just to make a point that if you don't know what it's based on it doesn't disturb you either. Ignorance is bliss and all that. Yes, anime is a horrible medium for the most part, just because people make novel, game and manga adaptations without any sense of art and just plainly adding things sheepishly from the source. It is not creation. It may be called milking and stupefying but you still add the object movement and musical atmosphere that doesn't exist in manga or literature. My point is, an anime can be based on a manga, but it doesn't make the sensation similar and shouldn't be seen as 'the same'. And even more so while talking about very loose sources alike Blue Literature, I don't see why even mentioning it would hold any significance as the anime can obviously stand on its own legs.
Wait, why is Blue Literature a "very loose source"? Some interpretations are loose (setting and such), alright, but they pretty much just draw on the original works. Again, with Blue Literature, I really can't properly evaluate it. It isn't bad, if I have to say anything, I'd say it is good. All I can say for sure is that it just makes me want to read the original, is that really so big a problem? The Ningen Shikkaku (No Longer Human) manga was done as a celebration of the anniversary of its publish date and as a way to encourage people to read the original, iirc.
I wouldn't quite go as far as to say that anime is a horrible medium, most adaptations are just limited by one thing or another (funding, time) and can't properly use the materials they have been provided. My issue is never with something like that, though, since it is to be expected. Again, the original is simply a meterstick that I have a proper measurement of, but that doesn't mean I expect everything to be the same. I thought my examples above already suggested that I appreciate the changes done as long as there is something of substance within them. However, that it elicits a different sensation doesn't really make a difference big enough, for the most part, to make it exempt from the natural comparison. If we can have things like FMP that faithfully portrayed the original light novels (for the most part, TSR was kind of loose) and did a great job doing so, why not other things? There has been plenty of works that can be said to have stood out from the original because of its quality and be recognized as a good work in itself for whatever reason (or capture the original in an amazing way, like Aria). If you are making a spinoff, then you need to be prepared to match the quality of the original and higher just to be recognized. It isn't like something like this only applies to anime, people will naturally use what they know already to judge an adaptation.
As for ignorance is bliss, well, it is. I don't see why my opinions should have to be censored for that reason though. If people can only get the anime, a comparison to the original shouldn't really bother them anyway.
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From how I read it. "Kampfer sucks, Mai-hime is better, you are an idiot". Probably. To which, my response would probably be "Kettle, pot".
FWIW I quite enjoyed Kampfer for the unpretentious T&A show that it was, but thanks for assuming otherwise - I mean, where would the internet be if people actually had reading comprehension and wouldn't draw out-of-context conclusions!
I just honestly don't see what's so terrible about episode 12 that it would totally ruin his perception of the rest of the series, when for all bits and purposes it's just another Kampfer episode - Fusion's post made it sound like he had just finished watching Gilgamesh or some other series with a potentially rage-inducing slapping-the-viewer-in-the-face -type ending.
And to that end, I decided to recommend Mai Hime to him if he hasn't seen it already, as it's a show that goes in a direction and has elements that he apparently was looking to find in Kampfer, despite it being fairly clear from the get-go that there was a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
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