EPTHe was just such an annoying, whiny little pussy for 80% of pre-timeskip.
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
He was just such an annoying, whiny little pussy for 80% of pre-timeskip. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
On September 07 2014 18:41 Capped wrote: Luffy is pretty awesome, he has that "bland hero" appearance but there are many things that make him unique imo. He's a great character with some very strange morals at times and conflicting beliefs. Zoros just a fucking badass though, sorry, my favourite character just because he's like super badass swordsman guy. The most annoying thing about him is those stupid moments where they overexaggerate his lack of direction 10000% Usopp should never have been brought into OP. Hate him. Never was a huge fan of chopper / franky but they have their moments and post-time skip have been alot better. Went from 50/50 to 75/25 on the "i like" scale. The rest of the straw hats to me are pretty cool. How can anyone hate Usopp-sama? I don't understand how that is even possible. | ||
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kanchome
44 Posts
On September 07 2014 22:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How can anyone hate Usopp-sama? I don't understand how that is even possible. I think a few people like myself are annoyed by Oda's transformation of Usopp from a skilled sniper to a magical sniper. Oda said that he planned to keep Usopp power levels comparably that of a real life person pre time skip. Yes, he's been hit by a 10tonne hammer and survived, broken all his bones and healed magically overnight. We understand that's comedy relief so it's never been a big factor. Usopp's fight with Luffy showed us what creativity , planning and knowledge can do in a fight opposed to straight out determining the persons fighting power by their bounty or status levels. Luffy's fights never count because they are all filled with deux machina needed to progress the story. (Every major Luffy fights' outcome was based on luck or opponents underestimating him) Usopp having hakki doesn't bother me as much as the plants that he has endless supplies of. He actually made his own bullets previously, which can explain why he never runs out of ammunition. By the time Onepiece ends, Usopp will most likely have used enough plants to create the amazons. He didn't need these magical plants to power up to the new world. Oda could have improved his bullet making abilities to include SEASTONE (which wouldn't be overpowered because plenty of fruit users can fight nearly as well with haki alone). I undestand Franky's role overlaps with Usopp , but there's no reason why Franky can't make bullets for Usopp who should be a SNIPER while Franky is a mid range fighter. Same could be said about nami. Oda clearly decided it was much easier for those 2 to be relevant by giving them magical powers then actually giving them brains. Both nami and Usopp are fanservice/gag characters might as well have been given F cup breast implants that shoot out lightning(at least it explains her breast size growth) and a spermshooter that shoots out unlimited monster plants(millions of sperm made daily). | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
They should've left him at Water 7. | ||
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Chro
United States240 Posts
Don't act that its awesome zoro can cut something new but usopp cant shoot something new. Its pretty damn simple, zoro cuts things, sanji kicks things and usopp shoots things. At the end of one piece zoro can cut anything, sanji will kick anything and usopp can shoot anything. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
after the timeskip, i like him a lot more - even before the haki outburst. franky didnt change much for me, i prly like him slightly better now as he has gotten stronger and kept his personality. not my fav character, but i dont dislike him either. robin goes into the same direction. there is always something mystic surrounding her. nami cannot be disliked, her looks, her smarts, she is kind of the secret captain of the team. luffy is awesome, i dont get how anyone would dislike him. his whole personality is great, not just the simple "i gotta become stronger" protagonist. i dont know anyone who dislikes zorro. he's just badass, unique and strong. i liked chopper a lot more before the timeskip. he was acutally a very useful fighter and quite strong (e.g. the skypia arc). although he seemingly has gotten a lot stronger after the timeskip, all he does is hang around with the weak in the team and be a mascot without actual use. i never really liked sanji, his coolest moments were right at the beginning. after that he's fallen off a lot to me, now he's not even on franky's level anymore skillwise, while being considered almost as strong as zorro for a long time. His personality keeps being annoying more often than not. brook is quite cool. unique, very funny, quite a skillful fighter. If i had to do a popularity ranking, it would be something like: 1) Luffy 2) Zorro 3) Nami 4) Brook 5) Franky 6) Chopper 7) Robin 8) Usopp 9) Sanji although 5) to 9) are really close, so is Luffy vs Zorro. My favorite characters overall in One Piece are Magellan, Aokiji and Kuma. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 08 2014 02:02 Chro wrote: Usopp is the best by far, the main reason why i read one piece. Without him one piece wouldnt exist. Usopp is luffy's main source of inspiration and caused him to create gear2/3. He's second only to luffy when it comes to powering up to save someone. Oda said that he would keep usopp the weakest of the crew no matter what. He's utility, shooting that bullet and saving luffy/law currently wasn't 'strong' by any means but it got the job done. Look at how he's designed from the start, he has a slingshot! He always has and always will be able to shoot anything to solve any problem, thats what the plants give him in the new world. Its like how you guys talk about fruits and what they can/cant do when each fruit is a concept of that thing like strings in DF case. A slingshot shoots things, is a drawn face a thing? yea, is a box full of keys for robin a thing? yep! Don't act that its awesome zoro can cut something new but usopp cant shoot something new. Its pretty damn simple, zoro cuts things, sanji kicks things and usopp shoots things. At the end of one piece zoro can cut anything, sanji will kick anything and usopp can shoot anything. Wasn't going against CP9 what caused his inspiration to develop those? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Luffy knows what it means to be a captain, to have responsibility. That was most apparent in the water7/enies lobby arc. He took the fight with Usopp seriously, because taking Usopp lightly would have been disrespectful, since Usopp was dead serious about it. He didn't give in and ask Usopp to come back, because he is to be the captain, an authority figure. Similar thing was at the end of that arc, when Usopp came back. The crew forgave Usopp largely because he fought with them to rescue Robin, but he disrespected Luffy, the captain, before he left the crew. Zoro explained to the audience that Usopp had to apologize to Luffy to be accepted back. That's my opinion on Luffy. Unlike other shounen characters I know, Luffy has taken responsibility and takes it seriously, even though he is carefree all other times. I kind of feel bad for the characters that didn't get any good character moments during Water7. Poor Nami and Sanji. | ||
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Chro
United States240 Posts
On September 08 2014 03:19 Slaughter wrote: Wasn't going against CP9 what caused his inspiration to develop those? I guess that comes down to interpretation. Here is the chapter where he thanks cp9. He stole the technique from them so that he could protect the friends that he wants to be around but aren't as strong. Could say its for robin but I think its towards usopp because robin gave up by herself but usopp is the one who was beat up and blamed himself for all the issues at the time. I think its interesting that usopp and luffy are nearly the same character, except one is the weakest and the other the strongest. Any personality traits they have comes directly from that difference in power. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On September 08 2014 05:00 Sentenal wrote: When I first started One Piece, I also didn't like Usopp. Over time, I changed, and came to like him. Looking back, I can now tell why I didn't like him back then. Its because I am now a better person than I was then. So it logically follows that liking Usopp is tied to being a good person. im a bad person. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On September 08 2014 04:33 Chro wrote: I guess that comes down to interpretation. Here is the chapter where he thanks cp9. He stole the technique from them so that he could protect the friends that he wants to be around but aren't as strong. Could say its for robin but I think its towards usopp because robin gave up by herself but usopp is the one who was beat up and blamed himself for all the issues at the time. I think its interesting that usopp and luffy are nearly the same character, except one is the weakest and the other the strongest. Any personality traits they have comes directly from that difference in power. Nooooo my free time. And I'm rereading Water 7. Why did you need to post a link to the actual manga. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On September 07 2014 22:51 kanchome wrote: I think a few people like myself are annoyed by Oda's transformation of Usopp from a skilled sniper to a magical sniper. this^^ liked pre timeskip usopp | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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kanchome
44 Posts
He didn't need a training arc, they should have simply stumbled upon a bag filled with magical plants, because the end result would have been exactly the same. Everyone else except him and nami got decent powerups that were logical transitions. Usopp gets magical beans and Nami gets F cup boobs. It's obvious to me that Oda had too much in his plate and couldn't think of ways to transition them into the new world without magical power ups. That's what annoys me. There's probably more than a few people past their teens who read onepiece that are sick of oversized boobies on anime. It would be no different to if every male strawhat magically got facial transformation to resemble some male kpop star. It's the differences and variety that made onepiece interesting. Now that Usopp got magical beans that give him abilities exactly like a plant devil fruit , or a nami who went to the same breast cosmetic surgeon that did the boobjobs for robin, hancock and every other notable attractive female characters it's tranformed my view of onepiece from something truely unique to a shonen that caters to pubescent boys who like magical beans and F cup breasts like the other 90% of shonen. Having said that, I'm glad Oda didn't give Perona F cups as well, but given his track record of catering to pubescent boys, I wouldn't put it past him to do that in the future. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
Usopp is ripped now! | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
But now , change back to original style . . . . With a God prefix . . . . . . | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 08 2014 16:33 kanchome wrote: Usopp pre time skip was my favourite character. Re timeskip along with nami they are the results of lazy writing and fan servicing. Nothing makes sense about Usopp after the training arc. During the training arc he courageously beats up monsters that would have ravaged almost everything in the grand sea. A few of these insects he beats up are strong enough to take on a whole regiment of navy easily. Along with luffy and zorro he probably had the hardest training arc. The only result we have to show from this is magical plants. He still runs away every chance he gets, even against fodder. He didn't need a training arc, they should have simply stumbled upon a bag filled with magical plants, because the end result would have been exactly the same. Everyone else except him and nami got decent powerups that were logical transitions. Usopp gets magical beans and Nami gets F cup boobs. It's obvious to me that Oda had too much in his plate and couldn't think of ways to transition them into the new world without magical power ups. That's what annoys me. There's probably more than a few people past their teens who read onepiece that are sick of oversized boobies on anime. It would be no different to if every male strawhat magically got facial transformation to resemble some male kpop star. It's the differences and variety that made onepiece interesting. Now that Usopp got magical beans that give him abilities exactly like a plant devil fruit , or a nami who went to the same breast cosmetic surgeon that did the boobjobs for robin, hancock and every other notable attractive female characters it's tranformed my view of onepiece from something truely unique to a shonen that caters to pubescent boys who like magical beans and F cup breasts like the other 90% of shonen. Having said that, I'm glad Oda didn't give Perona F cups as well, but given his track record of catering to pubescent boys, I wouldn't put it past him to do that in the future. like over 80% of people who read One Piece as over the age of 18 so your theory about catering to younger boys doesn't really hold water. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 09 2014 07:10 Slaughter wrote: like over 80% of people who read One Piece as over the age of 18 so your theory about catering to younger boys doesn't really hold water. ya guys of all ages like boobs | ||
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
On September 09 2014 07:10 Slaughter wrote: like over 80% of people who read One Piece as over the age of 18 so your theory about catering to younger boys doesn't really hold water. Whats the source of your stats sir? On September 09 2014 07:17 Forikorder wrote: ya guys of all ages like boobs This is true. | ||
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