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On September 06 2014 05:33 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 04:29 Mataza wrote:
No, your facts are not irrefutable. The burden of proof is on you on this one, not us. Irrefutable is a strong word for speculation based on X-Men.
I don't think you read the whole thing, the "irrefutable facts" i'm referring to is enel didn't detect luffy inside the giant snake. so yes really, get owned.
The fact that observational haki is not perfect(if one presence is inside another presence) is the only fact you presented yet.
so make that irrefutable fact_. git owned right back.
Don't try to divert the discussion from the big thing in the middle. Kuma and his devil fruit. For that you have presented no fact yet.
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On September 06 2014 08:25 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 05:33 rei wrote:On September 06 2014 04:29 Mataza wrote:
No, your facts are not irrefutable. The burden of proof is on you on this one, not us. Irrefutable is a strong word for speculation based on X-Men.
I don't think you read the whole thing, the "irrefutable facts" i'm referring to is enel didn't detect luffy inside the giant snake. so yes really, get owned. The fact that observational haki is not perfect(if one presence is inside another presence) is the only fact you presented yet. so make that irrefutable fact_. git owned right back. Don't try to divert the discussion from the big thing in the middle. Kuma and his devil fruit. For that you have presented no fact yet.
no, we are discussing your claim about "irrefutable fact" is refutable. So yes all i need is one, stop trying to divert the discussion to something you can't defend. All I need is one fact in one piece that you can't refute which i do and you are owned.
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We're resorted to the levels of yelling "owned" at your opponent when you think you've won.
At that point you both lost...
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On September 06 2014 08:39 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 08:25 Mataza wrote:On September 06 2014 05:33 rei wrote:On September 06 2014 04:29 Mataza wrote:
No, your facts are not irrefutable. The burden of proof is on you on this one, not us. Irrefutable is a strong word for speculation based on X-Men.
I don't think you read the whole thing, the "irrefutable facts" i'm referring to is enel didn't detect luffy inside the giant snake. so yes really, get owned. The fact that observational haki is not perfect(if one presence is inside another presence) is the only fact you presented yet. so make that irrefutable fact_. git owned right back. Don't try to divert the discussion from the big thing in the middle. Kuma and his devil fruit. For that you have presented no fact yet. no, we are discussing your claim about "irrefutable fact" is refutable. So yes all i need is one, stop trying to divert the discussion to something you can't defend. All I need is one fact in one piece that you can't refute which i do and you are owned.
If I didn't talk to you before I would assume you are new to this.
So about discussions:
First, it's not a battle between you and me unless we both want that to happen.
I admit I was poking fun at you. It was meant as just banter, not personal attacks.
I do however believe that you are embarrassing yourself the way you discuss for the last few posts, considering that you were far more respectable in the past.
Secondly, you are going even deeper into senselessness as you counter a purely semantic argument("fact instead of facts") by just saying you only need one, when you earlier said you had given multiple already.
Thirdly, what you began this argument over was that "Kuma is not overpowered".
You may call it the previous argument, as seemingly you have abandoned that entirely.
Fourthly, you don't win an argument by picking one statement, taking it literally and presenting us with a counterexample.
Hyperbolic example:
If I begin a post by calling you an asshat and you then take a picture of you, post it in here and say "I do not wear an ass on my head. I am not an asshat, so you are wrong".
In that turn of events you do not beat any other statement I made before or after me calling you an asshat.
Also I am hereby actually calling you an asshat. Before, in that small paragraph I just hypothetically called you an asshat. I hereby give you the full package, both actually and hypothetically.
This way you don't have to worry about implicit and explicit statements or any of those other difficult talky thingies.
User was warned for this post
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On September 06 2014 09:05 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 08:39 rei wrote:On September 06 2014 08:25 Mataza wrote:On September 06 2014 05:33 rei wrote:On September 06 2014 04:29 Mataza wrote:
No, your facts are not irrefutable. The burden of proof is on you on this one, not us. Irrefutable is a strong word for speculation based on X-Men.
I don't think you read the whole thing, the "irrefutable facts" i'm referring to is enel didn't detect luffy inside the giant snake. so yes really, get owned. The fact that observational haki is not perfect(if one presence is inside another presence) is the only fact you presented yet. so make that irrefutable fact_. git owned right back. Don't try to divert the discussion from the big thing in the middle. Kuma and his devil fruit. For that you have presented no fact yet. no, we are discussing your claim about "irrefutable fact" is refutable. So yes all i need is one, stop trying to divert the discussion to something you can't defend. All I need is one fact in one piece that you can't refute which i do and you are owned. If I didn't talk to you before I would assume you are new to this. So about discussions: First, it's not a battle between you and me unless we both want that to happen. I admit I was poking fun at you. It was meant as just banter, not personal attacks. I do however believe that you are embarrassing yourself the way you discuss for the last few posts, considering that you were far more respectable in the past. Secondly, you are going even deeper into senselessness as you counter a purely semantic argument("fact instead of facts") by just saying you only need one, when you earlier said you had given multiple already. Thirdly, what you began this argument over was that "Kuma is not overpowered". You may call it the previous argument, as seemingly you have abandoned that entirely. Fourthly, you don't win an argument by picking one statement, taking it literally and presenting us with a counterexample. Hyperbolic example: If I begin a post by calling you an asshat and you then take a picture of you, post it in here and say "I do not wear an ass on my head. I am not an asshat, so you are wrong". In that turn of events you do not beat any other statement I made before or after me calling you an asshat. Also I am hereby actually calling you an asshat. Before, in that small paragraph I just hypothetically called you an asshat. I hereby give you the full package, both actually and hypothetically. This way you don't have to worry about implicit and explicit statements or any of those other difficult talky thingies.
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On September 06 2014 04:55 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 03:38 goody153 wrote:On September 06 2014 02:48 terranghost wrote:
"the weak don't have a choice even in death" I was wondering where I heard a line similiar to that in OP before. Then it dawned on me Law used it against Tashigi.
Kind of ironic that he would use that line with how much we now know of his hatred of DD I miss tashigi . When will oda bring back the tashigi-zoro lineup again. I am "somewhat" positive that oda will give some post-credit fanservice of tashigi and zoro later. Wasn't that crocodile though? also tashigixzoro would be one of the few one piece romances i'd accept, hancockxluffy being the other and sanji has to watch the other two with their beautiful women and cry
HancockxLuffy is probably the funniest manga-"romance" i have read in a while, the hero friendzoning the beautiful princess is just priceless. What makes it even better is that Hancock is awesome and saved him quite a few times.
Also yay, the chapter we all were waiting for.
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I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I'm more interested in characters that aren't Luffy. Probably more a testament the the giant awesome world Oda made.
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The belami part seems forceful to get luffy mad but the last few panels are so good. KILL HIM LUFFY
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On September 06 2014 13:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I'm more interested in characters that aren't Luffy. Probably more a testament the the giant awesome world Oda made.
It's probably because Luffy is the most boring of characters. He's literally Oda's version of Goku. A direct ripoff. When people ask "who is your favorite strawhat?" everyone always answers with Brooke or Franky or any other straw hat. No one ever says Luffy because he is simply so plain. He's likable, don't get me wrong, but in the end he's just a bland, average character.
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On September 07 2014 03:41 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I'm more interested in characters that aren't Luffy. Probably more a testament the the giant awesome world Oda made. It's probably because Luffy is the most boring of characters. He's literally Oda's version of Goku. A direct ripoff. When people ask "who is your favorite strawhat?" everyone always answers with Brooke or Franky or any other straw hat. No one ever says Luffy because he is simply so plain. He's likable, don't get me wrong, but in the end he's just a bland, average character.
I disagree
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v20/c177/7.html
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On September 07 2014 03:59 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:41 Hyperbola wrote:On September 06 2014 13:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I'm more interested in characters that aren't Luffy. Probably more a testament the the giant awesome world Oda made. It's probably because Luffy is the most boring of characters. He's literally Oda's version of Goku. A direct ripoff. When people ask "who is your favorite strawhat?" everyone always answers with Brooke or Franky or any other straw hat. No one ever says Luffy because he is simply so plain. He's likable, don't get me wrong, but in the end he's just a bland, average character. I disagree http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v20/c177/7.html
Please. That's like the most generic thing for any shounen character so say.
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Wouldnt say that Luffy is a boring character but he's just the typical main protagonist with a big dream that defines Shounen.
From my experience most people pick Zoro as their favourite Mugiwara because he has the most epic moments in the series. (arguably more badass than Luffy's)
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Luffy still ended at the first place of every OP popularity contest of Shonen Jump.
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On September 07 2014 03:41 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I'm more interested in characters that aren't Luffy. Probably more a testament the the giant awesome world Oda made. It's probably because Luffy is the most boring of characters. He's literally Oda's version of Goku. A direct ripoff. When people ask "who is your favorite strawhat?" everyone always answers with Brooke or Franky or any other straw hat. No one ever says Luffy because he is simply so plain. He's likable, don't get me wrong, but in the end he's just a bland, average character.
Luffy makes me laugh more than any character, Franky included (who is my favorite). I also think hes had more badass moments than anyone else, Zoro included. So hes definitely one of my favorites of the crew. I like everyone in the crew though, for what its worth.
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pre time skip i didn't like chopper at all as he was completely random either he won convincingly before the rumble ball effects ended or he lost. (unless he ended up deciding to go to his monster form)
Post time skip it is definately usopp. Because I liked the exploding and fire marbles a lot better than the plants.
I liked alot of the situations he was in pre time skip more.
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After time skip we get things like this which to me is kind of boring.
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He partially redeemed himself with the second sniping of sugar but i still think the plants are boring even if if they make him original. Because in all honesty using pachinko makes him original enough already but whatever.
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On September 07 2014 04:09 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:59 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:41 Hyperbola wrote:On September 06 2014 13:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I'm more interested in characters that aren't Luffy. Probably more a testament the the giant awesome world Oda made. It's probably because Luffy is the most boring of characters. He's literally Oda's version of Goku. A direct ripoff. When people ask "who is your favorite strawhat?" everyone always answers with Brooke or Franky or any other straw hat. No one ever says Luffy because he is simply so plain. He's likable, don't get me wrong, but in the end he's just a bland, average character. I disagree http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v20/c177/7.html Please. That's like the most generic thing for any shounen character so say.
but how many shonen characters would jsut sit there and wait for Nami to ask for help before stting out?
Luffy has this interesting selfishness that you dont see very often in Shonen heros imo
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The hero chasing a dream is not a trope that DB established. I believe it was Luffy that established that.
Goku was just a funny innocent dude that was also pretty strong and enjoyed a nice adventure, Luffy and so many other heros follow that trope.
But Luffy is rather distinct from Goku, first he does a dream, and is travelling the world to archive it. Goku is just a dude that discovered happiness in fighting and begin training for life.
Luffy is really an emotional dude. He cares a lot about what other peoples feel, and other persons personality. Goku doesn't show a huge emotional side of himself, after he grew up, the only time he got really pissed off was when his best friend was killed(a beautiful explosion of rage). Luffy gets emotional in a lot more times. It's not just the story/plot (though that matters a lot) , Luffy would react in a totally different way than Goku when Vegeta did his speech after he got defeated by Frieza and then killed.Just look at the recent event with Bellamy.
I think calling Luffy a copy of Goku is kinda insulting to both mangakas
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On September 07 2014 12:51 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 04:09 shark. wrote:On September 07 2014 03:59 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:41 Hyperbola wrote:On September 06 2014 13:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I'm more interested in characters that aren't Luffy. Probably more a testament the the giant awesome world Oda made. It's probably because Luffy is the most boring of characters. He's literally Oda's version of Goku. A direct ripoff. When people ask "who is your favorite strawhat?" everyone always answers with Brooke or Franky or any other straw hat. No one ever says Luffy because he is simply so plain. He's likable, don't get me wrong, but in the end he's just a bland, average character. I disagree http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v20/c177/7.html Please. That's like the most generic thing for any shounen character so say. but how many shonen characters would jsut sit there and wait for Nami to ask for help before stting out? Luffy has this interesting selfishness that you dont see very often in Shonen heros imo
Or "enemies don't give you food!"
Or Luffy vs Usopp.
Or agreeing with Crocodile that vivi is a mushy pacifistic who doesn't know true battle. What happened to "power of friendship", "don't bad-mouth my friends", "that's unfair", "i'm going to save the world?". Screw that. There are reasons that Luffy fight for and there are reasons he doesn't care about.
Luffy is very interesting.
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Luffy is pretty awesome, he has that "bland hero" appearance but there are many things that make him unique imo. He's a great character with some very strange morals at times and conflicting beliefs.
Zoros just a fucking badass though, sorry, my favourite character just because he's like super badass swordsman guy. The most annoying thing about him is those stupid moments where they overexaggerate his lack of direction 10000%
Usopp should never have been brought into OP. Hate him.
Never was a huge fan of chopper / franky but they have their moments and post-time skip have been alot better. Went from 50/50 to 75/25 on the "i like" scale. The rest of the straw hats to me are pretty cool.
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You hate Usopp. Post disregarded. Usopp-sama is amazing.
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