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On September 05 2014 08:45 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 03:06 Incognoto wrote:On September 05 2014 03:04 Mataza wrote:
Luffy is such a quick thinker.
Attacking Law with all his might without planning it beforehand. Only hoping Law would use his "shambles" in time.
Imagine if Law for some reason was not quick enough to do it. Would be sad and hilarious at the same time. That seemed pre-planned, Law obviously told him the tactic before hand. Law cursed him afterwards, calling him the worst. Seems to me as if Law was surprised as well.
I took that as Law wanting to save that combo for later in the fight and Luffy just got impatient and did it early...but that's just me.
Also it would appear that all of the fights are setup for the most part but 2 things are still unaccounted for:
Burgess and CP0 still haven't been seen for months now
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On September 05 2014 09:21 Zeo1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 08:45 Mataza wrote:On September 05 2014 03:06 Incognoto wrote:On September 05 2014 03:04 Mataza wrote:
Luffy is such a quick thinker.
Attacking Law with all his might without planning it beforehand. Only hoping Law would use his "shambles" in time.
Imagine if Law for some reason was not quick enough to do it. Would be sad and hilarious at the same time. That seemed pre-planned, Law obviously told him the tactic before hand. Law cursed him afterwards, calling him the worst. Seems to me as if Law was surprised as well. I took that as Law wanting to save that combo for later in the fight and Luffy just got impatient and did it early...but that's just me. Also it would appear that all of the fights are setup for the most part but 2 things are still unaccounted for: Burgess and CP0 still haven't been seen for months now
Burgess is probably stealing all the smile in the chaos, and we'll see him later going back to Blackbeard with it.
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On September 05 2014 09:01 Sentenal wrote:
I see, so as long as people mask their presense by hiding in a giant snake stomach, they can avoid Observation Haki... Good point.
If Kuma is using his Paw powers to fight someone, and doesn't actually care if they survive, I'm sure he wouldn't mind sending them flying at super speeds into a nearby wall. Hell, that could actually be his objective.
I don't think you are reading what I said. or if you did, you didn't think it through. The point i'm trying to make is the possibility of the avoiding observation haki, Which i gave an example.
kuma needs to melee to send people flying, which means he can't send those who he can't see, for example a sniper from miles away like Ussop did in the recent chapter. (the argument is kuma is the "most OP" and i'm just pointing out his weakness)
and I anticipated people saying kuma can use his observation haki to locate and teleport to the sniper, that's why i brought up the first point. and the second point i was just explaining how his teleport is not instantaneous . so even if he sense the sniper, he can only teleport near it, but not the exact location.
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On September 05 2014 09:21 Zeo1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 08:45 Mataza wrote:On September 05 2014 03:06 Incognoto wrote:On September 05 2014 03:04 Mataza wrote:
Luffy is such a quick thinker.
Attacking Law with all his might without planning it beforehand. Only hoping Law would use his "shambles" in time.
Imagine if Law for some reason was not quick enough to do it. Would be sad and hilarious at the same time. That seemed pre-planned, Law obviously told him the tactic before hand. Law cursed him afterwards, calling him the worst. Seems to me as if Law was surprised as well. I took that as Law wanting to save that combo for later in the fight and Luffy just got impatient and did it early...but that's just me. Also it would appear that all of the fights are setup for the most part but 2 things are still unaccounted for: Burgess and CP0 still haven't been seen for months now
Burgess wanted the Mera Mera but tahts gone so he probably noped the fuck out of this mini-war
CP0 probably noped out too, im pretty sure there too busy to hang around Dressrossa forever they did what they wanted to and left
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On September 05 2014 12:43 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 09:01 Sentenal wrote:
I see, so as long as people mask their presense by hiding in a giant snake stomach, they can avoid Observation Haki... Good point.
If Kuma is using his Paw powers to fight someone, and doesn't actually care if they survive, I'm sure he wouldn't mind sending them flying at super speeds into a nearby wall. Hell, that could actually be his objective.
I don't think you are reading what I said. or if you did, you didn't think it through. The point i'm trying to make is the possibility of the avoiding observation haki, Which i gave an example. kuma needs to melee to send people flying, which means he can't send those who he can't see, for example a sniper from miles away like Ussop did in the recent chapter. (the argument is kuma is the "most OP" and i'm just pointing out his weakness) and I anticipated people saying kuma can use his observation haki to locate and teleport to the sniper, that's why i brought up the first point. and the second point i was just explaining how his teleport is not instantaneous . so even if he sense the sniper, he can only teleport near it, but not the exact location.
But the only way we have seen people mask their presence vs Observation Haki is by being in a giant snake stomach. What other methods do you suggest would give the same effect?
And its not instantaneous, but for all practical purposes, its instantaneous. Plus, who says that Kuma's 'teleport' speed is the same speed as his "blast people away" speed? You are making lots of assumptions.
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On September 05 2014 09:21 Zeo1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 08:45 Mataza wrote:On September 05 2014 03:06 Incognoto wrote:On September 05 2014 03:04 Mataza wrote:
Luffy is such a quick thinker.
Attacking Law with all his might without planning it beforehand. Only hoping Law would use his "shambles" in time.
Imagine if Law for some reason was not quick enough to do it. Would be sad and hilarious at the same time. That seemed pre-planned, Law obviously told him the tactic before hand. Law cursed him afterwards, calling him the worst. Seems to me as if Law was surprised as well. I took that as Law wanting to save that combo for later in the fight and Luffy just got impatient and did it early...but that's just me. Also it would appear that all of the fights are setup for the most part but 2 things are still unaccounted for: Burgess and CP0 still haven't been seen for months now
Yup that totally makes the most sense. I agree!
But Burgess, so far nobody knows. What he came to Dressrossa for (Mera Mera Devil Fruit) is gone. But he seems kind of like a sadist and it wouldn't surprise me if you just started beating people up for the fun of it. I don't know if he can leave the birdcage and he can't contact Blackbeard. So maybe he just buys his time and wrecks face after everyone has fought??
My impression is that most people agree that CP0 made their announcement then left the island. We haven't seen them since the first couple of chapters of the Dressrossa Arc...
When Luffy kicked Doflamingo it looks like Doflamingo had hair sticking out of his hands? Is that what you saw too? What is that?
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2526/07.png) http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2526/07.png
edit - nm, I don't know what I am talking about.. >.<
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On September 05 2014 14:17 Sharkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 09:21 Zeo1990 wrote:On September 05 2014 08:45 Mataza wrote:On September 05 2014 03:06 Incognoto wrote:On September 05 2014 03:04 Mataza wrote:
Luffy is such a quick thinker.
Attacking Law with all his might without planning it beforehand. Only hoping Law would use his "shambles" in time.
Imagine if Law for some reason was not quick enough to do it. Would be sad and hilarious at the same time. That seemed pre-planned, Law obviously told him the tactic before hand. Law cursed him afterwards, calling him the worst. Seems to me as if Law was surprised as well. I took that as Law wanting to save that combo for later in the fight and Luffy just got impatient and did it early...but that's just me. Also it would appear that all of the fights are setup for the most part but 2 things are still unaccounted for: Burgess and CP0 still haven't been seen for months now Yup that totally makes the most sense. I agree! But Burgess, so far nobody knows. What he came to Dressrossa for (Mera Mera Devil Fruit) is gone. But he seems kind of like a sadist and it wouldn't surprise me if you just started beating people up for the fun of it. I don't know if he can leave the birdcage and he can't contact Blackbeard. So maybe he just buys his time and wrecks face after everyone has fought?? My impression is that most people agree that CP0 made their announcement then left the island. We haven't seen them since the first couple of chapters of the Dressrossa Arc... When Luffy kicked Doflamingo it looks like Doflamingo had hair sticking out of his hands? Is that what you saw too? What is that? + Show Spoiler +http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2526/07.png
You're not talking about Bellamy right? His head is in his hand and he has a lot of hair, he used his face to block the kick. Other than that I don't really see anything, maybe like 2 lines of hair on his knuckles? Not sure if that's creases in skin or scratches or w/e though.
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On September 05 2014 12:59 Sentenal wrote:
But the only way we have seen people mask their presence vs Observation Haki is by being in a giant snake stomach. What other methods do you suggest would give the same effect?
And its not instantaneous, but for all practical purposes, its instantaneous. Plus, who says that Kuma's 'teleport' speed is the same speed as his "blast people away" speed? You are making lots of assumptions.
I'm only offer irrefutable facts that you can't argue against. I am not offering you any suggestions that is not based on what had already been shown from one piece.
you can't clam "for all practical purposes" in the same sentence with "you are making a lots of assumptions" because you are making the assumption about all the "practical purpose" that you never mention while making assumption about kuma don't use the same skill to teleport himself and other people.
Let me give you an example of instantaneous teleporter, Nightcrawler from X-man movies, he has to see where he's teleporting because he could teleport into a wall if he doesn't have visual. For kuma, he doesn't have to worry about materializing in the middle of solid if he's not looking at where he's going, the worse he will be doing is ramming himself into a wall. Here is an example of the differences between the two, nightcrawler can teleport into imperial down if he has the den den mushi live camera feed available to him while Kuma has to wait for someone to open the door.
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On September 05 2014 14:21 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 14:17 Sharkey wrote:On September 05 2014 09:21 Zeo1990 wrote:On September 05 2014 08:45 Mataza wrote:On September 05 2014 03:06 Incognoto wrote:On September 05 2014 03:04 Mataza wrote:
Luffy is such a quick thinker.
Attacking Law with all his might without planning it beforehand. Only hoping Law would use his "shambles" in time.
Imagine if Law for some reason was not quick enough to do it. Would be sad and hilarious at the same time. That seemed pre-planned, Law obviously told him the tactic before hand. Law cursed him afterwards, calling him the worst. Seems to me as if Law was surprised as well. I took that as Law wanting to save that combo for later in the fight and Luffy just got impatient and did it early...but that's just me. Also it would appear that all of the fights are setup for the most part but 2 things are still unaccounted for: Burgess and CP0 still haven't been seen for months now Yup that totally makes the most sense. I agree! But Burgess, so far nobody knows. What he came to Dressrossa for (Mera Mera Devil Fruit) is gone. But he seems kind of like a sadist and it wouldn't surprise me if you just started beating people up for the fun of it. I don't know if he can leave the birdcage and he can't contact Blackbeard. So maybe he just buys his time and wrecks face after everyone has fought?? My impression is that most people agree that CP0 made their announcement then left the island. We haven't seen them since the first couple of chapters of the Dressrossa Arc... When Luffy kicked Doflamingo it looks like Doflamingo had hair sticking out of his hands? Is that what you saw too? What is that? + Show Spoiler +http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2526/07.png You're not talking about Bellamy right? His head is in his hand and he has a lot of hair, he used his face to block the kick. Other than that I don't really see anything, maybe like 2 lines of hair on his knuckles? Not sure if that's creases in skin or scratches or w/e though.
Nm, I see it now. TT 
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When I saw him get punched in the gut I laughed and said "In the gut!" and laughed again! Doflamingo is one of those guys I love as a bad guy but I also love to see him get hurt since I want the good guys to win.
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"the weak don't have a choice even in death" I was wondering where I heard a line similiar to that in OP before. Then it dawned on me Law used it against Tashigi.
Kind of ironic that he would use that line with how much we now know of his hatred of DD
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Uh... That's amazing writing by oda once again if that's true.
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On September 06 2014 02:48 terranghost wrote:
"the weak don't have a choice even in death" I was wondering where I heard a line similiar to that in OP before. Then it dawned on me Law used it against Tashigi.
Kind of ironic that he would use that line with how much we now know of his hatred of DD
I miss tashigi . When will oda bring back the tashigi-zoro lineup again.
I am "somewhat" positive that oda will give some post-credit fanservice of tashigi and zoro later.
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On September 05 2014 14:32 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:59 Sentenal wrote:
But the only way we have seen people mask their presence vs Observation Haki is by being in a giant snake stomach. What other methods do you suggest would give the same effect?
And its not instantaneous, but for all practical purposes, its instantaneous. Plus, who says that Kuma's 'teleport' speed is the same speed as his "blast people away" speed? You are making lots of assumptions. I'm only offer irrefutable facts that you can't argue against. I am not offering you any suggestions that is not based on what had already been shown from one piece. you can't clam "for all practical purposes" in the same sentence with "you are making a lots of assumptions" because you are making the assumption about all the "practical purpose" that you never mention while making assumption about kuma don't use the same skill to teleport himself and other people. Let me give you an example of instantaneous teleporter, Nightcrawler from X-man movies, he has to see where he's teleporting because he could teleport into a wall if he doesn't have visual. For kuma, he doesn't have to worry about materializing in the middle of solid if he's not looking at where he's going, the worse he will be doing is ramming himself into a wall. Here is an example of the differences between the two, nightcrawler can teleport into imperial down if he has the den den mushi live camera feed available to him while Kuma has to wait for someone to open the door.
So basically, you are arguing semantics now. Cool.
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Oh my god. This chapter -- how the hell could anyone start arguing shit after a chapter like this?
GUYS
THIS IS IT
THIS FUCKING CHAPTER!!!!!!!
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On September 06 2014 03:41 Sentenal wrote:
So basically, you are arguing semantics now. Cool.
it doesn't seem "basic" for you, you need to put some thought into your argument, the only come back you come up with is to dismiss someone's argument by saying it's semantics without giving any logical explanation, you were easily defeated.
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On September 06 2014 03:51 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 03:41 Sentenal wrote:
So basically, you are arguing semantics now. Cool. it doesn't seem "basic" for you, you need to put some thought into your argument, the only come back you come up with is to dismiss someone's argument by saying it's semantics without giving any logical explanation, you were easily defeated.
Really?
We can do this dance, then.
Your wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2014 14:32 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:59 Sentenal wrote:
But the only way we have seen people mask their presence vs Observation Haki is by being in a giant snake stomach. What other methods do you suggest would give the same effect?
And its not instantaneous, but for all practical purposes, its instantaneous. Plus, who says that Kuma's 'teleport' speed is the same speed as his "blast people away" speed? You are making lots of assumptions. I'm only offer irrefutable facts that you can't argue against. I am not offering you any suggestions that is not based on what had already been shown from one piece. you can't clam "for all practical purposes" in the same sentence with "you are making a lots of assumptions" because you are making the assumption about all the "practical purpose" that you never mention while making assumption about kuma don't use the same skill to teleport himself and other people. Let me give you an example of instantaneous teleporter, Nightcrawler from X-man movies, he has to see where he's teleporting because he could teleport into a wall if he doesn't have visual. For kuma, he doesn't have to worry about materializing in the middle of solid if he's not looking at where he's going, the worse he will be doing is ramming himself into a wall. Here is an example of the differences between the two, nightcrawler can teleport into imperial down if he has the den den mushi live camera feed available to him while Kuma has to wait for someone to open the door.
I'm only offer irrefutable facts that you can't argue against. I am not offering you any suggestions that is not based on what had already been shown from one piece.
No, your facts are not irrefutable. The burden of proof is on you on this one, not us. Irrefutable is a strong word for speculation based on X-Men.
you can't clam "for all practical purposes" in the same sentence with "you are making a lots of assumptions" because you are making the assumption about all the "practical purpose" that you never mention while making assumption about kuma don't use the same skill to teleport himself and other people.
You are partly correct. We can't assume all practical purposes, since Kuma has only shown to be too fast for the strawhats, before the timeskip, to react in any way. There might be someone fast enough or observant enough in the OP world. We can't even be sure the strawhats post timeskip could see him moving(IF he moves rather than teleporting).
But we can't know that unless I forgot an encounter with Kuma.
Let me give you an example of instantaneous teleporter, Nightcrawler from X-man movies(not even a comic book reader, 0/10),
[Nightcrawler, bla, teleport].
For kuma, he doesn't have to worry about materializing in the middle of solid if he's not looking at where he's going, the worse he will be doing is ramming himself into a wall. Here is an example [More X-Men, more nightcrawler]
Again, I can't remember the chapter of One Piece in which Kuma said "I teleport using incredibly fast speed from my devil fruit. I don't actually teleport, it is just really fast."
Oh and imperial down What's that? You know it is Inperu Daun, not Inperiaru Daun?
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On September 06 2014 03:38 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 02:48 terranghost wrote:
"the weak don't have a choice even in death" I was wondering where I heard a line similiar to that in OP before. Then it dawned on me Law used it against Tashigi.
Kind of ironic that he would use that line with how much we now know of his hatred of DD I miss tashigi . When will oda bring back the tashigi-zoro lineup again. I am "somewhat" positive that oda will give some post-credit fanservice of tashigi and zoro later.
Wasn't that crocodile though?
also tashigixzoro would be one of the few one piece romances i'd accept, hancockxluffy being the other and sanji has to watch the other two with their beautiful women and cry
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On September 06 2014 04:29 Mataza wrote:
No, your facts are not irrefutable. The burden of proof is on you on this one, not us. Irrefutable is a strong word for speculation based on X-Men.
I don't think you read the whole thing, the "irrefutable facts" i'm referring to is enel didn't detect luffy inside the giant snake.
so yes really, get owned.
User was warned for this post
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On September 06 2014 03:51 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 03:41 Sentenal wrote:
So basically, you are arguing semantics now. Cool. it doesn't seem "basic" for you, you need to put some thought into your argument, the only come back you come up with is to dismiss someone's argument by saying it's semantics without giving any logical explanation, you were easily defeated.
Your entire post was getting on my nuts for what "practical purposes" means. Thats semantics, going on a tirade about a figure of speech not being literal. And you just keep making assumption after assumption about what Kuma can and can't do.
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