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On July 02 2014 18:14 AsnSensation wrote: Damn break next week again because oda sensei is doijg one piece promotion stuff in taiwan. Right when the flashback starts arggg + Show Spoiler +
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Shaping up for a nice battle Luffy and weak Law vs Doflo :D
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France7248 Posts
nice chapter, but so many battles I want to see t_t
"it did become a shortcut after all!" hehe
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On July 02 2014 18:33 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 18:14 AsnSensation wrote: Damn break next week again because oda sensei is doijg one piece promotion stuff in taiwan. Right when the flashback starts arggg + Show Spoiler +
Thank you for making my life ever so slightly better.
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Mangastream is up for people that like better translations than the terrible quality of mangapanda, and unlike mangapanda, they include the message that One Piece is on hiatus next week at the end of the chapter and the cover story title at the beginning of the chapter.
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/752/2432/1
On July 02 2014 21:07 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 18:33 Elite_ wrote:On July 02 2014 18:14 AsnSensation wrote: Damn break next week again because oda sensei is doijg one piece promotion stuff in taiwan. Right when the flashback starts arggg + Show Spoiler + Thank you for making my life ever so slightly better. No problem. I stole it from reddit though so I can't take all the credit.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49498 Posts
It is coming to me, the new crew member is going to be,
Ucy.
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On July 02 2014 22:42 BLinD-RawR wrote: It is coming to me, the new crew member is going to be,
Ucy. New crew member is obviously going to Doflamingo's string clone! I mean it's pretty obvious right?
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On July 02 2014 17:04 squeezegats wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 16:10 Forikorder wrote:On July 02 2014 15:35 Sentenal wrote: Yeah, still kinnndaaaa different than your "Hey, you know what would be a great idea? You know those pirates who are constantly destroying our countries? Lets let them do that, and then pardon them!" concept people who approve of the Tenryuubito are in power, i think its safe to say top brass of the WG dont actually care about the citizens so there fine with letting them run around as long as there not running around attacking marines and remember Dofla is also a Tenryuubito so theres a good chance thats there pretty much nothing he can do to make the WG want him dead At this point in the story, at least one of the Admirals believes that the Shichibukai are not worth the benefit that they provide and wants to abolish them. It would not surprise me if Akainu decides to go along with it and shakes up the world in the process. really? you think Akainu would willingly give up a powerful asset? Fujitora doesnt seem to regard the warlords as assets, and im sure the news of all of Doflamingos exploits against the Riku Family (who were allies of the WG) and if they dig deeper into his underworld brokker business that he has been able to maintain partly because of his shichibukai status. If all this information reaches Sakazuki he will probably realize that the Shichibukai system is a liability rather than an asset. They just had to deal with Law who also abused his title for personal interests, not to mention the disaster caused by BB. It would be plain dumb to keep the shichibukai system as it is. It has also been mentioned that the marines power and influence has greatly increased under sakazuki. They recently had a massive gloval recruitment campain that got them beasts like Fujitora. Maybe they dont need the Shichibukai system anymore? First Crocodiles baroque scheme, then the moria fiasko. Then BB breaks into ID and frees some of the words criminals in history. Then Law stirs up shit and soon they will learn of the viscious exlpoits of the veteran Warlord Doflamingo that has been going on for decades. Thats alot of headache they have to put up with just to keep a loose alliance with a group of pirates who tend to constantly disobey and ignore orders.anyways. honestly i dont think Akainu will care hell just see the casualties as neccesary sacrifices and keep the system in place, why turn 7 powerful allies into powerful enemies?
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On July 02 2014 23:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 17:04 squeezegats wrote:On July 02 2014 16:10 Forikorder wrote:On July 02 2014 15:35 Sentenal wrote: Yeah, still kinnndaaaa different than your "Hey, you know what would be a great idea? You know those pirates who are constantly destroying our countries? Lets let them do that, and then pardon them!" concept people who approve of the Tenryuubito are in power, i think its safe to say top brass of the WG dont actually care about the citizens so there fine with letting them run around as long as there not running around attacking marines and remember Dofla is also a Tenryuubito so theres a good chance thats there pretty much nothing he can do to make the WG want him dead At this point in the story, at least one of the Admirals believes that the Shichibukai are not worth the benefit that they provide and wants to abolish them. It would not surprise me if Akainu decides to go along with it and shakes up the world in the process. really? you think Akainu would willingly give up a powerful asset? Fujitora doesnt seem to regard the warlords as assets, and im sure the news of all of Doflamingos exploits against the Riku Family (who were allies of the WG) and if they dig deeper into his underworld brokker business that he has been able to maintain partly because of his shichibukai status. If all this information reaches Sakazuki he will probably realize that the Shichibukai system is a liability rather than an asset. They just had to deal with Law who also abused his title for personal interests, not to mention the disaster caused by BB. It would be plain dumb to keep the shichibukai system as it is. It has also been mentioned that the marines power and influence has greatly increased under sakazuki. They recently had a massive gloval recruitment campain that got them beasts like Fujitora. Maybe they dont need the Shichibukai system anymore? First Crocodiles baroque scheme, then the moria fiasko. Then BB breaks into ID and frees some of the words criminals in history. Then Law stirs up shit and soon they will learn of the viscious exlpoits of the veteran Warlord Doflamingo that has been going on for decades. Thats alot of headache they have to put up with just to keep a loose alliance with a group of pirates who tend to constantly disobey and ignore orders.anyways. honestly i dont think Akainu will care hell just see the casualties as neccesary sacrifices and keep the system in place, why turn 7 powerful allies into powerful enemies? the Shichibukai are powerful allies you say? Even if they don't follow the WGs orders?
On July 02 2014 00:21 Forikorder wrote: sicne when do they follow the WGs orders? even if the WG doesn't seem to get much benefit from them?
On July 02 2014 02:16 Forikorder wrote: when it comes down to it they dont seem to get much benefit from the Shichibukai even if they nearly cost countries and had the most dangerous people freed from Impel Down and only half ass assist at marineford during the war?
On July 02 2014 06:46 Forikorder wrote: ya i mean the system only cost them a country, almost cost them another country (ignoring the numberous government officials that got toyed) almost got magellan killed and had some of the most dangerous people in existance freed from there most secure prison
whats that next to having a few more fighters half ass assisting at marineford during the war? even if the WG doesn't actually care if they are or are not making a good decision with the Shichibukai?
On July 02 2014 07:54 Forikorder wrote: let me try to spell out my position more cleary
the WG doesnt actually care if they are or not making a good decision with the Shichibukai A compelling argument, Fork.
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the WG doesnt care about its citizens it only cares about the pirates, therefore the only problem that the Shichibukai have caused is blackbeard freeing people from impel down (which is also mainly Luffys fault anyway)
if they cared about there citizens then the Shichibukai would have been disbanded a long time ago but as long as they can keep 7 of the most powerful pirates not attacking marines then its worth it to lose some citizens (in there twisted minds)
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Forikorder consistently forgetting that you are meant to explain your reasoning behind an argument, as opposed to just saying it and carry on from there.
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On July 02 2014 23:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Forikorder consistently forgetting that you are meant to explain your reasoning behind an argument, as opposed to just saying it and carry on from there. when has the WG ever put citizens first?
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On July 02 2014 23:24 Forikorder wrote: the WG doesnt care about its citizens it only cares about the pirates, therefore the only problem that the Shichibukai have caused is blackbeard freeing people from impel down (which is also mainly Luffys fault anyway)
if they cared about there citizens then the Shichibukai would have been disbanded a long time ago but as long as they can keep 7 of the most powerful pirates not attacking marines then its worth it to lose some citizens (in there twisted minds)
You're missing the big fact that governments can only care about their citizens when the existence of the country isn't at stake. All the yonko are insanely strong, and it's pretty clear by marineford that if two yonko teamed up they'd wipe the floor with the World Government, especially if they didn't have any shichibukai.
Pirates are clearly the strongest faction in the One Piece world, if the WG had zero pirate support, what would they do if a yonko decided they wanted all of their territory? Where would they get more fighting power? Countries that are not in the WG? The revolutionary army?
The Marines and Shichibukai balance the world so that the WG isn't massively outpowered by the yonko. They need the Shichibukai so they don't lose their territory, that's why the institution exists, that's why they turn a blind eye to everything.
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On July 03 2014 00:20 Vanka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 23:24 Forikorder wrote: the WG doesnt care about its citizens it only cares about the pirates, therefore the only problem that the Shichibukai have caused is blackbeard freeing people from impel down (which is also mainly Luffys fault anyway)
if they cared about there citizens then the Shichibukai would have been disbanded a long time ago but as long as they can keep 7 of the most powerful pirates not attacking marines then its worth it to lose some citizens (in there twisted minds) You're missing the big fact that governments can only care about their citizens when the existence of the country isn't at stake. All the yonko are insanely strong, and it's pretty clear by marineford that if two yonko teamed up they'd wipe the floor with the World Government, especially if they didn't have any shichibukai. Pirates are clearly the strongest faction in the One Piece world, if the WG had zero pirate support, what would they do if a yonko decided they wanted all of their territory? Where would they get more fighting power? Countries that are not in the WG? The revolutionary army? The Marines and Shichibukai balance the world so that the WG isn't massively outpowered by the yonko. They need the Shichibukai so they don't lose their territory, that's why the institution exists, that's why they turn a blind eye to everything. except the Shichibukai have done more to endanger the WG, blackbeard released dangerous prisoners, croc tried to get the ancient weapon Dofla has had Caeser been researching weapons of mass destruction
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On July 03 2014 00:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 00:20 Vanka wrote:On July 02 2014 23:24 Forikorder wrote: the WG doesnt care about its citizens it only cares about the pirates, therefore the only problem that the Shichibukai have caused is blackbeard freeing people from impel down (which is also mainly Luffys fault anyway)
if they cared about there citizens then the Shichibukai would have been disbanded a long time ago but as long as they can keep 7 of the most powerful pirates not attacking marines then its worth it to lose some citizens (in there twisted minds) You're missing the big fact that governments can only care about their citizens when the existence of the country isn't at stake. All the yonko are insanely strong, and it's pretty clear by marineford that if two yonko teamed up they'd wipe the floor with the World Government, especially if they didn't have any shichibukai. Pirates are clearly the strongest faction in the One Piece world, if the WG had zero pirate support, what would they do if a yonko decided they wanted all of their territory? Where would they get more fighting power? Countries that are not in the WG? The revolutionary army? The Marines and Shichibukai balance the world so that the WG isn't massively outpowered by the yonko. They need the Shichibukai so they don't lose their territory, that's why the institution exists, that's why they turn a blind eye to everything. except the Shichibukai have done more to endanger the WG, blackbeard released dangerous prisoners, croc tried to get the ancient weapon Dofla has had Caeser been researching weapons of mass destruction
They did so all in secret. The deterrent to the yonko is that officially the shichibukai are on the same side, not that what the reality actually is.
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Yeah, and when they call on the shichibukai, they assemble on the side of the navy as in the marineford war; otherwise they lose their privileged shichibukai status.
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I think sengoku valued the shichibukai system because he believed in moral justice and was more of a diplomat and strategist. But Sakazuki is a firm believer in Absolute Justice and regards pirates as Evil who should not be allowed to exist. Im pretty sure he finds the Shichibukai system disgusting. It has been mentioned that the marines have gotten insanely strong under his lead, again the global military draft might have been enough for the gorosei to feel safe enough to dispose the huge liability that the shichibukai system has proven to be. The only Shichibukai to not disobey orders, directly harm a marine/WG affiliate or create trouble for the Marines is Mihawk, but from what we have seen he seems rather lazy and unreliable since everyone was surprised that he actually showed up during the meeting after crocodiles dismissal.
That currently leaves them with Kuma, who is only loyal now because he no longer has a will of his own, and Buggy who is a useless coward.
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On July 03 2014 00:40 Vanka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 00:26 Forikorder wrote:On July 03 2014 00:20 Vanka wrote:On July 02 2014 23:24 Forikorder wrote: the WG doesnt care about its citizens it only cares about the pirates, therefore the only problem that the Shichibukai have caused is blackbeard freeing people from impel down (which is also mainly Luffys fault anyway)
if they cared about there citizens then the Shichibukai would have been disbanded a long time ago but as long as they can keep 7 of the most powerful pirates not attacking marines then its worth it to lose some citizens (in there twisted minds) You're missing the big fact that governments can only care about their citizens when the existence of the country isn't at stake. All the yonko are insanely strong, and it's pretty clear by marineford that if two yonko teamed up they'd wipe the floor with the World Government, especially if they didn't have any shichibukai. Pirates are clearly the strongest faction in the One Piece world, if the WG had zero pirate support, what would they do if a yonko decided they wanted all of their territory? Where would they get more fighting power? Countries that are not in the WG? The revolutionary army? The Marines and Shichibukai balance the world so that the WG isn't massively outpowered by the yonko. They need the Shichibukai so they don't lose their territory, that's why the institution exists, that's why they turn a blind eye to everything. except the Shichibukai have done more to endanger the WG, blackbeard released dangerous prisoners, croc tried to get the ancient weapon Dofla has had Caeser been researching weapons of mass destruction They did so all in secret. The deterrent to the yonko is that officially the shichibukai are on the same side, not that what the reality actually is.
im pretty sure Kaidou knows which side Dofla is really on, and it doesnt matter if there trying to gather WMDs in secret because those WMDs will still be used on the WG/its citizens
magma dude is all about absolute justice but he had no problem using one of whitebeards commanders hell use any means neccesary to accomplish his goals
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We aren't even discussing the new chpater?
It was a good chapter, like every other chapter. Though not an epic chapter.
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On July 03 2014 01:47 Incognoto wrote: We aren't even discussing the new chpater?
It was a good chapter, like every other chapter. Though not an epic chapter. nothing really happened its just setup
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