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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 02 2014 03:12 Hyperbola wrote: The shichibukai are supposed to take out other pirates and act as deterants for aspiring pirates. We've seen Mihawk, Doflamingo, Crocodile and Moria do just this. Croc and moria only did it for there own purposes (pretending to be a hero/building a zombie army) Mihawk im willing to bet would be going around anyway and the only reason doflamingo would be a deterrent is becuase he kills so many of them taht he recruits | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 02 2014 03:24 Forikorder wrote: Croc and moria only did it for there own purposes (pretending to be a hero/building a zombie army) Mihawk im willing to bet would be going around anyway and the only reason doflamingo would be a deterrent is becuase he kills so many of them taht he recruits They do it for their own purposes, but its a mutual benefit thing. The WG knows they are still scumbag pirates. But they officially allow them to do their thing (with some obvious restraints), as long as they go around demolishing other Pirates for them. And even at Marineford, the Shichibukai helped out there. Kuma, Doflamingo, and Moria all took care of Little Oars Jr., Kuma went around demolishing Newkama and other pirates, Doflamingo even fought Jozu at one point. Mihawk fought Whitebeard and his allies, was shown clashing with people like Jozu and Vista, not to mention going after Luffy. Moria was also helping, although Jinbe sorta took a shit on him. So yeah, the WG gets benefits from having the Shichubkai. The Shichibukai also get benefits from the WG. They don't necessarily trust each other, and sometimes it bites the WG in the ass, but that doesn't mean that its a program that reaps no benefits for the WG. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 02 2014 06:05 Sentenal wrote: They do it for their own purposes, but its a mutual benefit thing. The WG knows they are still scumbag pirates. But they officially allow them to do their thing (with some obvious restraints), as long as they go around demolishing other Pirates for them. And even at Marineford, the Shichibukai helped out there. Kuma, Doflamingo, and Moria all took care of Little Oars Jr., Kuma went around demolishing Newkama and other pirates, Doflamingo even fought Jozu at one point. Mihawk fought Whitebeard and his allies, was shown clashing with people like Jozu and Vista, not to mention going after Luffy. Moria was also helping, although Jinbe sorta took a shit on him. So yeah, the WG gets benefits from having the Shichubkai. The Shichibukai also get benefits from the WG. They don't necessarily trust each other, and sometimes it bites the WG in the ass, but that doesn't mean that its a program that reaps no benefits for the WG. seems like its rpetty slanted in the pirates favour though, they get no oversight and complete amnesty for anyone they want | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 02 2014 06:10 Forikorder wrote: seems like its rpetty slanted in the pirates favour though, they get no oversight and complete amnesty for anyone they want Well, the assumption is that if a Pirate that becomes Shichibukai does try to fuck up the Government, they will get dunked and sent to Impel Down, like Crocodile. The WG is confident in its abilities to handle them. And on the other hand, the Pirates are confident that they can either trick or defeat the Government when the time comes. But until that time does come, they both reap the benefits of the arrangement. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 02 2014 06:15 Sentenal wrote: Well, the assumption is that if a Pirate that becomes Shichibukai does try to fuck up the Government, they will get dunked and sent to Impel Down, like Crocodile. The WG is confident in its abilities to handle them. And on the other hand, the Pirates are confident that they can either trick or defeat the Government when the time comes. But until that time does come, they both reap the benefits of the arrangement. i dont see how the WG is confident in it considering croc wasnt found out and when the admiral found out about Dofla his duty was to assist him in killing the inhabitants... | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 02 2014 06:35 Sentenal wrote: Forik you are being silly, if the WG didn't think they could handle the Shichibukai, then the Shichibukai wouldn't even be a thing. They obviously do think they can, regardless of what the reality may or may not be. ya i mean the system only cost them a country, almost cost them another country (ignoring the numberous government officials that got toyed) almost got magellan killed and had some of the most dangerous people in existance freed from there most secure prison whats that next to having a few more fighters half ass assisting at marineford during the war? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 02 2014 06:52 Sentenal wrote: You are talking about something COMPLETELY different. You are talking about "Is the Shichibukai system worth it?" That is a whole different topic and subject than what I was talking about. If you even had a basic understanding of the English language, you would see my post simply states that REGARDLESS of what the actual reality is, the WG thinks they can handle the Shichibukai, and therefore the WG thinks the system is worth it. Talking about what the WG within the fictional world of One Piece thinks and believes is a completely different than asking what readers of the manga think about the current state of said fictional world, and I have not been commenting on the latter. i get the feeling that your overunderstimating the common sense of the WG i mean if they were so quick to throw away broken systems there wouldnt be tenryuubito going around killing people for no reason besides the whole system is obviously not made by someone who thought it through, Caeser is an extremely dangerous individual who did some extremely dangerous experiments and is a wanted fugitive but just because Dofla said that hes in his crew Caeser gets a complete pardon and Luffy would have got one if Law said the word letting one pirate and his immediate crew is one thing but there amnesty extends to every single person under them and theres literally no oversight on what they do your acting like the people who run the WG make logical decisions for the good of there people but thats not it, someone who calls the shots has one twisted mind | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
I have said the WG thinks they are making good decisions. The WG thinks they can control the Shichibukai. The WG thinks they benefit from the Shichibukai system. These are all facts within One Piece, because if they weren't true, then the Shichibukai system wouldn't even exist otherwise. This is all I've been saying these past posts, and in the simplest form I can possible put it in, so if you still can't understand what I'm saying now, IDK what to say. Are the WG actually making good decisions? Can the WG actually control the Shichibukai? Is the Shichibukai system itself actually a good system? I dunno, don't care, I'm not even talking about any of these questions. They are completely different topics from what I'm talking about. Please stop thinking I'm talking about this stuff. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
the WG doesnt actually care if they are or not making a good decision with the Shichibukai | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 02 2014 07:54 Forikorder wrote: let me try to spell out my position more cleary the WG doesnt actually care if they are or not making a good decision with the Shichibukai Wow such writing, WG actively fucking themselves in the ass. I know of tons of organzaitions that actively do things they they know to be harmful themselves, but do it anyway, because the WG wants to hurt itself | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 02 2014 08:17 Sentenal wrote: Wow such writing, WG actively fucking themselves in the ass. I know of tons of organzaitions that actively do things they they know to be harmful themselves, but do it anyway, because the WG wants to hurt itself which is why the Tenryuubito walk around shooting and enslaving people at random, and if someone so much as touchs them they send an admiral to kill whoever done it | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 02 2014 08:19 Forikorder wrote: which is why the Tenryuubito walk around shooting and enslaving people at random, and if someone so much as touchs them they send an admiral to kill whoever done it So, according to Forikorder, Tenryubito=Shichibukai. I learned something today. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 02 2014 09:15 Sentenal wrote: So, according to Forikorder, Tenryubito=Shichibukai. I learned something today. so your saying have the Tenryuubito walking around killing people at random while being protected by the WG is in no way the WG biting itself in the ass? | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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SupaChicken
Australia273 Posts
On July 02 2014 10:49 Slaughter wrote: Those guys walking around doing shit like that are probably considered dumb fucks by the ones who actually hold the power. That guy who luffy punched out seemed like he was a moron. Yeah he seemed like someones entitled brat of a son rather than someone with any actual power. | ||
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