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I had a discussion with a friend of mine about whether Luffy used haki from the beginning or not. We conclude that Luffy used haki in all his fight. Haki is more of a "determination" if anything. A neat exemple I can give is when Vista and Marco hit Sakazuki after he killed Ace. For me Sakazuki was at his maximum "determination" to kill all pirates, while Vista and Macro, while using haki, were kinda down after Ace's dead, so their resolution was laking and they didn't even scratch Sakazuki.
In Luffy vs Lucci, how comes his last Gatling Gun was so devastating ? Luffy's determination goes up by far more then before, because he realised all his friends managed to escape. => more determination to win the fight. It was haki. It's always haki, each punch has haki imbued in it the more you want to win.
Another exemple is Luffy vs Crocodile. Crocodile was at the time much stronger than Luffy, he beat him twice or thrice before Lufy finally managed to grab the win. Why so ? Because Crocodile's determination went from 100% (getting Pluto) to 0 after he realised Robin won't tell him what's written on the poneglyph.
We shouldn't look at haki as a form of "power up" in the same way Ichigo would get a bankai or so. It's much much more deep.
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i agree with that shit, luffy punched crocodile through a layer of bed rock cant' do that without using haki
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no need to analyse how sanji flew in nami's body without training her body
let's just categories the event as plotarmor
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Well i don't really know, but that's my guess.
If you think your theory is the right one, you can stick with it to the bitter end :D
For me it's a technique/skill and not Haki
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Haki is like Shaq because Shaq dominates free throws. - rei
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On May 07 2014 00:50 Serejai wrote:
Haki is like Shaq because Shaq dominates free throws. - rei
he always made the ones that counted. ask him he will let you know about it, and you will never doubt him when he tell it to you in your face.
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On May 06 2014 09:28 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 06 2014 08:25 rei wrote:
if the Impact Dial didn't break usopp's arm when he uses it, then it's nowhere near strong enough to beat luffy half dead to the point where he needed Robin to move him into going marry. from that I argue Lucci's attacks are much stronger and have haki imbued. None of Rob Lucci's attack flatten Luffy and deformed him like Gekko Mariah did with his, the only explanation is Lucci had Hakki imbued on his punch, and Mariah didn't. I disagree with the idea that Rob Lucci necessarily used Haki. Luffy has been shown to take damage from heavy shockwave type attack that do internal damage, such as the impact dial, and Rob Lucci's attack is like that though much more powerful, as Luffy said himself. it was alot like fishman Karate
Indeed.
Afaik, impact dials use shockwaves to do damage, so someone with a rubber body would still get hurt. Devil fruits grant immunity against certain things but not all things. Like enel's lightning being countered by rubber or crocodile with water. So Luffy's rubber should still be vulnerable to some attacks even if they aren't imbued with Haki (slashing attacks and apparently shockwaves).
fishman karate is similar on principle (it uses shockwaves going through water?) but I don't know whether or not it would hit a logia
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Luffy's still vulnerable to physical damage, he's just inherently harder to hurt. CP9 could hurt Luffy purely by hitting really hard.
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On May 07 2014 02:36 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Luffy's still vulnerable to physical damage, he's just inherently harder to hurt. CP9 could hurt Luffy purely by hitting really hard.
That's not much of a vulnerability when the majority of people have that same vulnerability. It's just a standard trait.
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On May 07 2014 02:39 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:36 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Luffy's still vulnerable to physical damage, he's just inherently harder to hurt. CP9 could hurt Luffy purely by hitting really hard. That's not much of a vulnerability when the majority of people have that same vulnerability. It's just a standard trait.
vulnerable, as apposed to INvulnerable
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On May 07 2014 00:12 Faust852 wrote:
I had a discussion with a friend of mine about whether Luffy used haki from the beginning or not.
Interesting thing to note is a filler from the anime after leaving Loguetown before entering the Grand Line (if I remember right). They stopped by an island related to thousand year dragons and met a girl who could talk to animals (fairly sure it was attributed to a Devil Fruit) and near the end when one of the dragons said something Luffy heard it as well (might've also heard it earlier in the arc, been a long time). That sounds like a good candidate for haki to me.
Regardless of what it was, even if it was an anime filler arc, I have to imagine the anime team can't just decide "Luffy can hear the voice of this dragon that nobody else hears other than the girl with a special ability" without getting an okay from higher up if not Oda.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Eric
They fought that dude during the arc and he made a small cameo when they were ascending Reverse Mountain.
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On May 07 2014 04:33 Vortok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 00:12 Faust852 wrote:
I had a discussion with a friend of mine about whether Luffy used haki from the beginning or not. Interesting thing to note is a filler from the anime after leaving Loguetown before entering the Grand Line (if I remember right). They stopped by an island related to thousand year dragons and met a girl who could talk to animals (fairly sure it was attributed to a Devil Fruit) and near the end when one of the dragons said something Luffy heard it as well. Which sounds like Observation haki to me. Regardless of what it was, even if it was an anime filler arc, I have to imagine the anime team can't just decide "Luffy can hear the voice of this dragon that nobody else hears other than the girl with a special ability" without getting an okay from higher up if not Oda. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/EricThey fought that dude during the arc and he made a small cameo when they were ascending Reverse Mountain.
I think that's actually something else entirely.
Like how luffy can hear sea kings?
I think it has more something to do with the voice of all things, which doesn't get enough attention. Voice of all things doesn't have anything to do with obs haki. Remember how Zoro he said he could feel the breathe of the rocks, which meant that he knew where they wouldn't fall. That's some shit right there.
That's what I want to know more about.
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This is such a pointless discussion, we know what haki does, there are three colours of haki, observation, armament, and conqurers. Thing that happen in the anime that are not one of those three things, are therefore, not haki, e,g, sora, or running on the air, setting your leg on fire somehow or anything else that is not one of those three things
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On May 06 2014 22:21 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:Its not safe to assume its Haki because we know exactly what Haki is now, and it isn't "anything supernatural that isn't a devil fruit". On May 06 2014 12:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
It's interesting that Lucci vs Luffy has been brought just now. I had literally just in the the couple of days re watched that arc and I always wondered about CP9 I mean they are supposed to be elite WG assassins yet none of them know haki? I mean what the literal fuck? The WG trained them in these weird techniques that are so close to haki but not quite actually being haki. Tekkai being the best example(*cough* Shit tier armament haki *cough*) that comes to mind. For your elite guys why would you train them in what is essentially a lesser version of haki?
The only thing I can think of is that it was some sort of transition skill to get people used to characters having haki? If CP9 had haki they would have destroyed the SH crew at that point in time IMO. So all I can think of is it being a skill that eases the audience into this suddenly overpowered skill but it makes no sense to me from a literal plot stand point. These supposedly elite marine soldiers being trained in something that is lesser then haki.
From a story point it makes sense as if at that point in time they met people capable of both haki's they would have gotten murdered. but from a logistical stand point it really doesn't make any sense that CP9 a super secret high tier organization couldn't use haki but instead were trained in something that straight up fails in comparison. Haki is literally ambition, so its possible CP9 just didn't have any like that, thus leaving them to only focus on their physical abilities. Plus its not like you can only use one or the other. We have seen Vice Admirals use Rokushiki, and if you take stuff from Film Z into account, Haki and Rokushiki separately. So the short answer is that if Haki=ambition, then CP9 not having Haki makes perfect sense, thematically, from a storytelling point of view. Additionally, CP9 were assassins, and you don't exactly need Haki to murder people in their sleep. Who give you the idea that Haki literally means ambition? English doesn't have a good word to describe it, you can think of it as the will to dominate anything. And to do that, one must never doubt themselves in any actions they are doing. A real world example is Shaquille O'neal in basketball.
Because... Thats what it literally means? It has a straight, literal definition. Its not even in some questionable "well it depends on context!" area like 'nakama' or something. And its ambition.
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On May 07 2014 05:55 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 22:21 rei wrote:On May 06 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:Its not safe to assume its Haki because we know exactly what Haki is now, and it isn't "anything supernatural that isn't a devil fruit". On May 06 2014 12:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
It's interesting that Lucci vs Luffy has been brought just now. I had literally just in the the couple of days re watched that arc and I always wondered about CP9 I mean they are supposed to be elite WG assassins yet none of them know haki? I mean what the literal fuck? The WG trained them in these weird techniques that are so close to haki but not quite actually being haki. Tekkai being the best example(*cough* Shit tier armament haki *cough*) that comes to mind. For your elite guys why would you train them in what is essentially a lesser version of haki?
The only thing I can think of is that it was some sort of transition skill to get people used to characters having haki? If CP9 had haki they would have destroyed the SH crew at that point in time IMO. So all I can think of is it being a skill that eases the audience into this suddenly overpowered skill but it makes no sense to me from a literal plot stand point. These supposedly elite marine soldiers being trained in something that is lesser then haki.
From a story point it makes sense as if at that point in time they met people capable of both haki's they would have gotten murdered. but from a logistical stand point it really doesn't make any sense that CP9 a super secret high tier organization couldn't use haki but instead were trained in something that straight up fails in comparison. Haki is literally ambition, so its possible CP9 just didn't have any like that, thus leaving them to only focus on their physical abilities. Plus its not like you can only use one or the other. We have seen Vice Admirals use Rokushiki, and if you take stuff from Film Z into account, Haki and Rokushiki separately. So the short answer is that if Haki=ambition, then CP9 not having Haki makes perfect sense, thematically, from a storytelling point of view. Additionally, CP9 were assassins, and you don't exactly need Haki to murder people in their sleep. Who give you the idea that Haki literally means ambition? English doesn't have a good word to describe it, you can think of it as the will to dominate anything. And to do that, one must never doubt themselves in any actions they are doing. A real world example is Shaquille O'neal in basketball. Because... Thats what it literally means? It has a straight, literal definition. Its not even in some questionable "well it depends on context!" area like 'nakama' or something. And its ambition.
How hard? 
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On May 07 2014 08:46 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 05:55 Sentenal wrote:On May 06 2014 22:21 rei wrote:On May 06 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:Its not safe to assume its Haki because we know exactly what Haki is now, and it isn't "anything supernatural that isn't a devil fruit". On May 06 2014 12:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
It's interesting that Lucci vs Luffy has been brought just now. I had literally just in the the couple of days re watched that arc and I always wondered about CP9 I mean they are supposed to be elite WG assassins yet none of them know haki? I mean what the literal fuck? The WG trained them in these weird techniques that are so close to haki but not quite actually being haki. Tekkai being the best example(*cough* Shit tier armament haki *cough*) that comes to mind. For your elite guys why would you train them in what is essentially a lesser version of haki?
The only thing I can think of is that it was some sort of transition skill to get people used to characters having haki? If CP9 had haki they would have destroyed the SH crew at that point in time IMO. So all I can think of is it being a skill that eases the audience into this suddenly overpowered skill but it makes no sense to me from a literal plot stand point. These supposedly elite marine soldiers being trained in something that is lesser then haki.
From a story point it makes sense as if at that point in time they met people capable of both haki's they would have gotten murdered. but from a logistical stand point it really doesn't make any sense that CP9 a super secret high tier organization couldn't use haki but instead were trained in something that straight up fails in comparison. Haki is literally ambition, so its possible CP9 just didn't have any like that, thus leaving them to only focus on their physical abilities. Plus its not like you can only use one or the other. We have seen Vice Admirals use Rokushiki, and if you take stuff from Film Z into account, Haki and Rokushiki separately. So the short answer is that if Haki=ambition, then CP9 not having Haki makes perfect sense, thematically, from a storytelling point of view. Additionally, CP9 were assassins, and you don't exactly need Haki to murder people in their sleep. Who give you the idea that Haki literally means ambition? English doesn't have a good word to describe it, you can think of it as the will to dominate anything. And to do that, one must never doubt themselves in any actions they are doing. A real world example is Shaquille O'neal in basketball. Because... Thats what it literally means? It has a straight, literal definition. Its not even in some questionable "well it depends on context!" area like 'nakama' or something. And its ambition. How hard?
What?
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On May 07 2014 08:50 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 08:46 rei wrote:On May 07 2014 05:55 Sentenal wrote:On May 06 2014 22:21 rei wrote:On May 06 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:Its not safe to assume its Haki because we know exactly what Haki is now, and it isn't "anything supernatural that isn't a devil fruit". On May 06 2014 12:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
It's interesting that Lucci vs Luffy has been brought just now. I had literally just in the the couple of days re watched that arc and I always wondered about CP9 I mean they are supposed to be elite WG assassins yet none of them know haki? I mean what the literal fuck? The WG trained them in these weird techniques that are so close to haki but not quite actually being haki. Tekkai being the best example(*cough* Shit tier armament haki *cough*) that comes to mind. For your elite guys why would you train them in what is essentially a lesser version of haki?
The only thing I can think of is that it was some sort of transition skill to get people used to characters having haki? If CP9 had haki they would have destroyed the SH crew at that point in time IMO. So all I can think of is it being a skill that eases the audience into this suddenly overpowered skill but it makes no sense to me from a literal plot stand point. These supposedly elite marine soldiers being trained in something that is lesser then haki.
From a story point it makes sense as if at that point in time they met people capable of both haki's they would have gotten murdered. but from a logistical stand point it really doesn't make any sense that CP9 a super secret high tier organization couldn't use haki but instead were trained in something that straight up fails in comparison. Haki is literally ambition, so its possible CP9 just didn't have any like that, thus leaving them to only focus on their physical abilities. Plus its not like you can only use one or the other. We have seen Vice Admirals use Rokushiki, and if you take stuff from Film Z into account, Haki and Rokushiki separately. So the short answer is that if Haki=ambition, then CP9 not having Haki makes perfect sense, thematically, from a storytelling point of view. Additionally, CP9 were assassins, and you don't exactly need Haki to murder people in their sleep. Who give you the idea that Haki literally means ambition? English doesn't have a good word to describe it, you can think of it as the will to dominate anything. And to do that, one must never doubt themselves in any actions they are doing. A real world example is Shaquille O'neal in basketball. Because... Thats what it literally means? It has a straight, literal definition. Its not even in some questionable "well it depends on context!" area like 'nakama' or something. And its ambition. How hard? What?
I charge over 9000 esport money per hour to teach you some Chinese Kanji
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On May 07 2014 00:50 Serejai wrote:
Haki is like Shaq because Shaq dominates free throws. - rei
Reading comprehension fail.
Shaq has haki because he goes straight through all defences to dunk the ball.
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You know we're overdo for a chapter when people start relating Haki to Shaq....
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On May 07 2014 12:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
You know we're overdo for a chapter when people start relating Haki to Shaq....
Shaquille has haki... the full body imbued type... you better get yourself up to date man
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