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On May 05 2014 21:52 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Okay just to clarify and add to this discussion, does Kyros know Haki to reinforce his blade? I don't think so since we didn't see the "darkening" of the weapon or any body part.
If.. If DD did and can channel Haki through his strings, wouldn't he have been able to use reinforcement haki to prevent his head from being cut off? He is a Shibukai with Haki abilities as far as I can recall that he has shown. So if that were so, wouldn't he have been able to reinforce his puppet enough that a unpowered by haki sword strike would be worthless?
I'm just speculating since "we are going there". Might as well right since that scene happened.
I am still unsure whether DD can reinforce all his strings with Haki, especially the whole "bird cage" with it.
I still think it is only able to cut/damage with a fine vibration/fast continous movement coursing through the birdcage strings. You dont get cut just by sticking and making contact with string no matter how fine, but imagine it was moving/vibrating, I think that would give it the cutting ability. I am just unsure whether the strings are going into the earth and back to the middle to create a highspeed "blade" that can cut that constantly circulates the birdcage.
actually yes you can quite easily get cut by very fine string
also an unpowered haki blade would only beuseless if he can reinforce himself with haki stronger then he could swing his sword, like if Kyros is strong enough to cut concrete he needs to reinforce himself stronger then concrete
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On May 05 2014 12:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 12:06 Sentenal wrote:
If Doflamingo was strong enough to beat an Admiral, you would think he would be Youkou-level, or at the very least not terrified of Kaidou. its Laws idea that he is we actually havent seen proof that he is, and he has the birdcage up and people from Kaidous crew are inside it
Are you talking about the Kaidou crew against the Sunny far from the city of Dressrosa?
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I think DD can use strong enough haki(Even on his strings/clone) to have stopped Kyros's attack easily I think the main problem wasn't lack of haki or skill in using it, more the whole surprise mother fucker I'm charging you with one leg caught him off guard and he didn't have time to react or focus to use haki.
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On May 06 2014 00:38 Superouman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 12:14 Forikorder wrote:On May 05 2014 12:06 Sentenal wrote:
If Doflamingo was strong enough to beat an Admiral, you would think he would be Youkou-level, or at the very least not terrified of Kaidou. its Laws idea that he is we actually havent seen proof that he is, and he has the birdcage up and people from Kaidous crew are inside it Are you talking about the Kaidou crew against the Sunny far from the city of Dressrosa?
no thats big mam, im talking about the ones in the secret port near sugar
I think DD can use strong enough haki(Even on his strings/clone) to have stopped Kyros's attack easily I think the main problem wasn't lack of haki or skill in using it, more the whole surprise mother fucker I'm charging you with one leg caught him off guard and he didn't have time to react or focus to use haki.
i doubt it that would be pretty extreme haki use
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On May 05 2014 21:52 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Okay just to clarify and add to this discussion, does Kyros know Haki to reinforce his blade? I don't think so since we didn't see the "darkening" of the weapon or any body part.
I don't think that's necessary the case seeing the arrows of the kuja pirates didn't change color either.
Also, sentomaru during the sabaody archipelo battle (the battle where SH were seperated) had no darkening.
Rayleighs body did not change color during his haki explanation, especially this page, and the frame with sentomaru shows that color change is not needed for haku usage.
Well, either that, or the nature of haki changed during the time skip >.>
I'm not saying kyros does know haki, i just don't think that there not being a color change rules it out.
Edit: Quote from wikia (although no source for this was provided) "A heavy concentration (or coating) of this Haki can be used to harden parts of one's body, turning the area black, thus making the user denser and more formidable, and giving their attacks greater power."
It may be the case that people more adept at using haki are able to concentrate more of it, creating the blackness.
I can imagine that Garp didn't want to kill luffy when using his 'fist of love', so he concentrated less haki in his fist than he actually could, concentrating enough of haki to hurt a rubber man, but not enough to let it turn black.
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Well you won't need Haki to slice off the head of a non-Logia really. hmm
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If DD can use conquerors haki through his clone, why would he not be able to hurt Crocodile when he cut off his head? He can put conqueror's haki through it but not armament?
Also, I think the darkening thing with haki is just for the reader's benefit, since we actually know what it is now.
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On May 06 2014 01:55 Sentenal wrote:
If DD can use conquerors haki through his clone, why would he not be able to hurt Crocodile when he cut off his head? He can put conqueror's haki through it but not armament?
Also, I think the darkening thing with haki is just for the reader's benefit, since we actually know what it is now.
that was during the war right? wasnt he trying to get Croc to join with him or am i forgetting something?
also double on the darkening is just for the reader
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First he asked Crocodile to join him, and he refused. Later after Croc saved Ace, DD cut off Crocodile's head, and was like "you refuse to team up with me, and then go helping thse guys? I'm jealous". And then they fight, outcome inconclusive.
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On May 06 2014 01:55 Sentenal wrote:
Also, I think the darkening thing with haki is just for the reader's benefit, since we actually know what it is now.
Yup. Haki was used prior to it without the darkening. Oda must have realised he needed a visual indicator for it since it can't be expected that every character announces haki being used for the attack.
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an example of that is when Rob Lucci used Rokushiki against luffy and punch shit shit out of him costing damage.
If you look like Gekko Mariah's fight with luffy where he traped luffy inside the black box and literally flattened the box with luffy inside and luffy was unharmed.
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IIRC Lucci's attack was compared to being like an Impact Dial, and thats why it hurt, him, right?
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if the Impact Dial didn't break usopp's arm when he uses it, then it's nowhere near strong enough to beat luffy half dead to the point where he needed Robin to move him into going marry. from that I argue Lucci's attacks are much stronger and have haki imbued. None of Rob Lucci's attack flatten Luffy and deformed him like Gekko Mariah did with his, the only explanation is Lucci had Hakki imbued on his punch, and Mariah didn't.
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its moria, not mariah. also, reject dial =/= impact dial
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On May 06 2014 08:25 rei wrote:
if the Impact Dial didn't break usopp's arm when he uses it, then it's nowhere near strong enough to beat luffy half dead to the point where he needed Robin to move him into going marry. from that I argue Lucci's attacks are much stronger and have haki imbued. None of Rob Lucci's attack flatten Luffy and deformed him like Gekko Mariah did with his, the only explanation is Lucci had Hakki imbued on his punch, and Mariah didn't.
I disagree with the idea that Rob Lucci necessarily used Haki. Luffy has been shown to take damage from heavy shockwave type attack that do internal damage, such as the impact dial, and Rob Lucci's attack is like that though much more powerful, as Luffy said himself.
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On May 06 2014 09:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 08:25 rei wrote:
if the Impact Dial didn't break usopp's arm when he uses it, then it's nowhere near strong enough to beat luffy half dead to the point where he needed Robin to move him into going marry. from that I argue Lucci's attacks are much stronger and have haki imbued. None of Rob Lucci's attack flatten Luffy and deformed him like Gekko Mariah did with his, the only explanation is Lucci had Hakki imbued on his punch, and Mariah didn't. I disagree with the idea that Rob Lucci necessarily used Haki. Luffy has been shown to take damage from heavy shockwave type attack that do internal damage, such as the impact dial, and Rob Lucci's attack is like that though much more powerful, as Luffy said himself.
it was alot like fishman Karate
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On May 06 2014 08:25 rei wrote:
if the Impact Dial didn't break usopp's arm when he uses it, then it's nowhere near strong enough to beat luffy half dead to the point where he needed Robin to move him into going marry. from that I argue Lucci's attacks are much stronger and have haki imbued. None of Rob Lucci's attack flatten Luffy and deformed him like Gekko Mariah did with his, the only explanation is Lucci had Hakki imbued on his punch, and Mariah didn't.
It was commented by Luffy to be a lot like the Impact Dial, but a lot stronger. This doesn't make it a Haki attack, however, since we know that the Impact Dial itself did hurt him. Its just Lucci's attack was even stronger than a normal Impact Dial. I don't think we should assume Haki unless we are told Haki.
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just ganna ignore how Gekko Maria flatten and deformed luffy without hurting luffy? Conflicting facts needs to be ignored in order to make an argument sound.
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On May 06 2014 10:37 rei wrote:
just ganna ignore how Gekko Maria flatten and deformed luffy without hurting luffy? Conflicting facts needs to be ignored in order to make an argument sound.
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Luffy is rubber. Squeezing and stretching him doesn't hurt him. Same concept as to why bullets don't hurt Luffy. Moria's attack wasn't a shockwave of some sort, like an Impact Dial (for example).
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On May 06 2014 10:06 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 08:25 rei wrote:
if the Impact Dial didn't break usopp's arm when he uses it, then it's nowhere near strong enough to beat luffy half dead to the point where he needed Robin to move him into going marry. from that I argue Lucci's attacks are much stronger and have haki imbued. None of Rob Lucci's attack flatten Luffy and deformed him like Gekko Mariah did with his, the only explanation is Lucci had Hakki imbued on his punch, and Mariah didn't. It was commented by Luffy to be a lot like the Impact Dial, but a lot stronger. This doesn't make it a Haki attack, however, since we know that the Impact Dial itself did hurt him. Its just Lucci's attack was even stronger than a normal Impact Dial. I don't think we should assume Haki unless we are told Haki.
i think its a safe bet that something new can fit into an already existing category
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