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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 04 2014 02:00 shark. wrote: Its just for plot. Its like he could have pika make the entire island overlap like a buritto and crush everyone but he wont because of plot. pica isn't that strong | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
Hes shown changing the entire landscape surrounding and including the palace. Thats some seriously OP stuff right there. Whether he could change an island into a buritto crushing everyone within is questionable, but everyones power is questionable. | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
On May 04 2014 02:16 Sharkey wrote: Not necessarily. Consider this option (theorycrafting I know): becuase of Pika's ability all members go to the castle as their base. The SMILE Factory also 'moves' to the castle. Then Doflamingo closes in the string birdcage. People try to get into the center of the island (aka castle) but Pika doesn't let them. Everyone dies but those in the castle. Doflamingo wins. Then Sugar turns all the dead bodies into dead toys and nobody remembers anything, thus their can't be any retaliation from the government/marines. Doflamingo continues to rule Dressrosa. Seems a bit OP. Theorycrafting is fun!!  That actually sounds really likely. | ||
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MagmaPunch
Bulgaria536 Posts
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shark.
593 Posts
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
Dofla doesn't want the WG to get the idea he is really doing anything wrong. So he wants it to appear that it was the people vs people of Dressrosa for whatever reason but it wasn't DD himself actually killing them. It would be weird finding finely sliced populace right? =) As for Why Pika is not making the island a Burrito and squish the populace, I think that goes to ideas we have about DF Powers. There is a range to it the more "active": it is. Violet has vision for the whole archipalego (I think but it's huge right?) But that's passive, we know Pika can control a whole castle, but not sure if he can go farther than that to extend his range. Law has increased his room to as big as a mountain but not a whole island. So I think with the extend of scope the birdcage is, I really believe DD is actually incapacitated and unable to do anything else so he needs his commander(s) beside him to protect him so that the plan can complete. We haven't seen Fuji reaslly fight just glimpses so we don't know yet if he can infuse Haki to a meteor to prevent it being cut by DD strings in a 1v1 battle. Or if Fuji distract DD with a meteor and ends up slashing DD from behind while he is blocking the meteor. I don't know much, but I still reserve the idea the Fuji is weaker than DD. We don't concretely know yet. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 04 2014 02:16 Sharkey wrote: Not necessarily. Consider this option (theorycrafting I know): becuase of Pika's ability all members go to the castle as their base. The SMILE Factory also 'moves' to the castle. Then Doflamingo closes in the string birdcage. People try to get into the center of the island (aka castle) but Pika doesn't let them. Everyone dies but those in the castle. Doflamingo wins. Then Sugar turns all the dead bodies into dead toys and nobody remembers anything, thus their can't be any retaliation from the government/marines. Doflamingo continues to rule Dressrosa. Seems a bit OP. Theorycrafting is fun!! wouldnt the Admiral just crush him? and there are others fully capable of smashing the castle to bits Dofla doesn't want the WG to get the idea he is really doing anything wrong. So he wants it to appear that it was the people vs people of Dressrosa for whatever reason but it wasn't DD himself actually killing them. It would be weird finding finely sliced populace right? =) he toyed government officials and his fruit is known well enough that the WG will know this was his doing | ||
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Sharkey
668 Posts
On May 04 2014 13:11 Forikorder wrote: wouldnt the Admiral just crush him? and there are others fully capable of smashing the castle to bits First this is not my prediction. I just think this could be a viable strategy for Doflamingo if a couple of my assumptions are true (1. Everyone in Doflamingo's family can get to the castle, 2. Sugar can turn dead people into dead toys and erase other people's memories of them, 3. The birdcage can get smaller, 4. The birdcage is hard to defeat, 5. Pika can stop everyone from coming in the castle. To continue my theorycrafting and to answer your questions with my assumptions being true. I think one way to negate the power of Fujitora and others capable of smashing the castle into bits, Doflamingo would create chaos (ie a battle royal, ie what he is already doing). Fujitora already seems like he doesn't want to get too involved in the situation and cares more about the civilians. So in light of that his main goal would be to safe the civilians and get them to safety. How? I am not too concerned about that. Doflamingo could neutrolize other strong fighters who are capable of 'smashing the castle to bits' by naming names and getting other pirates to attack them. Thus occupying their time and getting them to focus on mini-battles instead of attacking the castle. Do I think this will happen? no. Do I think it is possible? yes. Do I think this would be the best way for Doflamingo to regain control of Dressrosa (given that my assumptions are true)? Yes, as I have not heard any better theory. Of course I am all ears. Do I want to continue discussing my theorycrafting, which I think will not happen? maybe, but not likely. Do I think Oda's story will be better than mine? yes, and I very eagerly await it (give me the next chapter!!!) | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
Personally I don't think DD is going down here. Sabo may be strong enough to fight him but I feel this is gonna end on a unfinished problem in the world of One Piece. This is gonna be a flee with our lives moment for the Strawhats imo. Or at least i hope, so we ain't gonna get a shit story where the straw hats continue to succeed everywhere they go. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
First this is not my prediction. I just think this could be a viable strategy for Doflamingo if a couple of my assumptions are true (1. Everyone in Doflamingo's family can get to the castle, 2. Sugar can turn dead people into dead toys and erase other people's memories of them, 3. The birdcage can get smaller, 4. The birdcage is hard to defeat, 5. Pika can stop everyone from coming in the castle. for 2, unless you think dofla can completely erase that Dressrossa exists out of history what hes done has gotten out, Dofla used the birdcage because he doesnt care about playing King anymore To continue my theorycrafting and to answer your questions with my assumptions being true. I think one way to negate the power of Fujitora and others capable of smashing the castle into bits, Doflamingo would create chaos (ie a battle royal, ie what he is already doing). Fujitora already seems like he doesn't want to get too involved in the situation and cares more about the civilians. So in light of that his main goal would be to safe the civilians and get them to safety. How? I am not too concerned about that. fastest way for him would be to take out Dofla and open the birdcage, if the birdcage is shrinking then Dofla is directing endangering the entire population as long as its at its current size his first priority would be to find somewhere safe for the civilians Doflamingo could neutrolize other strong fighters who are capable of 'smashing the castle to bits' by naming names and getting other pirates to attack them. Thus occupying their time and getting them to focus on mini-battles instead of attacking the castle. that only works while there not about to be killed, if the birdcage is shrinking and will eventually kill everyone then everyone realises that the only way to survive is to stop Doflamingo, while Doflamingo is not actively trying to kill them then following his orders is a viable way out Doflamingo doesnt care about regaining control fo Dressrossa hes going to kill everyone whos not in his crew, Kaidous crew or the Tontatta in the smile factory Personally I don't think DD is going down here. Sabo may be strong enough to fight him but I feel this is gonna end on a unfinished problem in the world of One Piece. This is gonna be a flee with our lives moment for the Strawhats imo. Or at least i hope, so we ain't gonna get a shit story where the straw hats continue to succeed everywhere they go. i dont see why the Straw hats winning here makes it a shit story its shounen there going to win everytime guaranteed the SMile factory will be destroyed before there done here doesnt mean DD is going down but the straw hats are going to "win" | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 05 2014 11:55 Sentenal wrote: Anyone who thinks Doflamingo is stronger than Fujitora is insane. Also anyone who thinks Luffy doesn't have a shot at beating Doflamingo has only minor insanity. id agree before we found out about the Puppet for all we know the Doflamingo weve seen up till now has always been a puppet and his real body is somewhere else also if thats true and everything hes done has been with a puppet then hed be alot stronger then we thought to get even more insane, maybe Doflamingo is the head Tenryuubito and the puppet is just him killing time and having fun | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 05 2014 11:58 Sentenal wrote: It doesn't make sense for one of the Shichibukai to be stronger than an Admiral, who are supposed to be the strongest fighting force of the WG. Sure they could put up a fight, but saying they'd have the advantage is madness. if it was anyone else id agree but Dofla is the sort of person to never get serious he could be hiding how strong he really is so theyd let him into the Shichibukai so he could get WG connections | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 05 2014 12:06 Sentenal wrote: If Doflamingo was strong enough to beat an Admiral, you would think he would be Youkou-level, or at the very least not terrified of Kaidou. its Laws idea that he is we actually havent seen proof that he is, and he has the birdcage up and people from Kaidous crew are inside it | ||
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ElizarTringov
Bulgaria317 Posts
On May 05 2014 11:57 Forikorder wrote: id agree before we found out about the Puppet for all we know the Doflamingo weve seen up till now has always been a puppet and his real body is somewhere else also if thats true and everything hes done has been with a puppet then hed be alot stronger then we thought to get even more insane, maybe Doflamingo is the head Tenryuubito and the puppet is just him killing time and having fun The Doflamingo that landed on Punk Hazard used Haoshoku haki, so unless Doflamingo has some overpowered ability that let's him use Haoshoku Haki through his string double I don't see how that's possible. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 05 2014 13:51 ElizarTringov wrote: The Doflamingo that landed on Punk Hazard used Haoshoku haki, so unless Doflamingo has some overpowered ability that let's him use Haoshoku Haki through his string double I don't see how that's possible. why couldnt he? we already know he can imbue his strings why does it matter? he can just channel the haki through the string connected from him to the puppet then to the string thats attacking | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 05 2014 12:06 Sentenal wrote: If Doflamingo was strong enough to beat an Admiral, you would think he would be Youkou-level, or at the very least not terrified of Kaidou. Yah lol just look at Akainu trying to duel whitebeard he got his ass handed to him for sure but still if you can't beat akainu then you sure as hell can't beat a yonko | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
If.. If DD did and can channel Haki through his strings, wouldn't he have been able to use reinforcement haki to prevent his head from being cut off? He is a Shibukai with Haki abilities as far as I can recall that he has shown. So if that were so, wouldn't he have been able to reinforce his puppet enough that a unpowered by haki sword strike would be worthless? I'm just speculating since "we are going there". Might as well right since that scene happened. I am still unsure whether DD can reinforce all his strings with Haki, especially the whole "bird cage" with it. I still think it is only able to cut/damage with a fine vibration/fast continous movement coursing through the birdcage strings. You dont get cut just by sticking and making contact with string no matter how fine, but imagine it was moving/vibrating, I think that would give it the cutting ability. I am just unsure whether the strings are going into the earth and back to the middle to create a highspeed "blade" that can cut that constantly circulates the birdcage. | ||
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