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On May 01 2014 12:31 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 11:49 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 11:42 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 10:48 Forikorder wrote:I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed.
So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes Aokiji was at Enies Lobby. Sengoku was probably present at Ohara, although that one is just me talking out of my ass. He just decided to do nothing there because of plot. Buster Calls can only be authorized by Admirals. Spandam being able to call one was a special privileged given to him by Aokiji for the purpose of coercing Robin's cooperation. Buster Calls are an attack of a small army lead by an Admiral and 5 Vice Admirals. Please pay attention to the story. This isn't that hard.
why say "pay attention to the story" when so far int he story no admiral has taken aprt in a buster call?
yes Aokiji could have taken part in the battle of Enies lobby but he didnt
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On May 01 2014 12:37 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:31 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 11:49 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 11:42 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 10:48 Forikorder wrote:I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed.
So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes Aokiji was at Enies Lobby. Sengoku was probably present at Ohara, although that one is just me talking out of my ass. He just decided to do nothing there because of plot. Buster Calls can only be authorized by Admirals. Spandam being able to call one was a special privileged given to him by Aokiji for the purpose of coercing Robin's cooperation. Buster Calls are an attack of a small army lead by an Admiral and 5 Vice Admirals. Please pay attention to the story. This isn't that hard. why say "pay attention to the story" when so far int he story no admiral has taken aprt in a buster call? yes Aokiji could have taken part in the battle of Enies lobby but he didnt
You said just in the previous post that there was no Admiral there at Enies Lobby. And now Aokiji was? And he could have very well taken part in the battle if he wasn't a lazy SOB?
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Actually it just proved that they can deal with an assault of 200 captain and commander level marines.
The Viceadmirals didn't leave their ships at Enie's Lobby if I remember correctly. The Strawhats didn't fight any of the 5 Vice-Admirals.
I don't think it makes a difference. Doflamingo does fear how the Marine and World Government react. The Marines can send worse things than a Buster Call.
They could, for example, send one other Admiral(besides Fujitora), a handful of Vice-Admirals and a bunch of (old model) Pacifista. Doflamingo can't beat 2 Admirals(I don't think he even can beat 1). Other than Luffy, Zoro, Diamante and maybe 2 or 3 other people no one on the island should be able to beat a (old model)Pacifista. We also have not seen the new Pacifista models yet.
The important part is that Doflamingo is in deep shit. If the Marines would send any more forces to Dressrosa, Doflamingo would have no choice, he would need to escape.
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On May 01 2014 12:51 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 12:31 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 11:49 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 11:42 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 10:48 Forikorder wrote:I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed.
So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes Aokiji was at Enies Lobby. Sengoku was probably present at Ohara, although that one is just me talking out of my ass. He just decided to do nothing there because of plot. Buster Calls can only be authorized by Admirals. Spandam being able to call one was a special privileged given to him by Aokiji for the purpose of coercing Robin's cooperation. Buster Calls are an attack of a small army lead by an Admiral and 5 Vice Admirals. Please pay attention to the story. This isn't that hard. why say "pay attention to the story" when so far int he story no admiral has taken aprt in a buster call? yes Aokiji could have taken part in the battle of Enies lobby but he didnt You said just in the previous post that there was no Admiral there at Enies Lobby. And now Aokiji was? And he could have very well taken part in the battle if he wasn't a lazy SOB?
he wasnt at Enies lobby regardless of wether he could ahve conceivably taken part, Enel could ahve conceivalby taken part, Kizaru could ahve concievably taken part pretty much anyone could have conceivably taken part to varying degrees of realism
but he didnt
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On May 01 2014 14:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:51 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 12:31 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 11:49 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 11:42 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 10:48 Forikorder wrote:I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed.
So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes Aokiji was at Enies Lobby. Sengoku was probably present at Ohara, although that one is just me talking out of my ass. He just decided to do nothing there because of plot. Buster Calls can only be authorized by Admirals. Spandam being able to call one was a special privileged given to him by Aokiji for the purpose of coercing Robin's cooperation. Buster Calls are an attack of a small army lead by an Admiral and 5 Vice Admirals. Please pay attention to the story. This isn't that hard. why say "pay attention to the story" when so far int he story no admiral has taken aprt in a buster call? yes Aokiji could have taken part in the battle of Enies lobby but he didnt You said just in the previous post that there was no Admiral there at Enies Lobby. And now Aokiji was? And he could have very well taken part in the battle if he wasn't a lazy SOB? he wasnt at Enies lobby regardless of wether he could ahve conceivably taken part, Enel could ahve conceivalby taken part, Kizaru could ahve concievably taken part pretty much anyone could have conceivably taken part to varying degrees of realism but he didnt
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-15/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Really then who is that.
Foirkorder logic:
Marines use bustercall to against SH's, the admiral and VA's that were there do not participate. SH's survive the buster call. Therefore since they survived the buster call that means they can do it everytime now.
Lets say it was akainu that had called the buster call not spandam (aokiji). Do you honestly think that Akainu would of sat on the sidelines. given what he had done in the other buster call we saw.
And if the marines were not trying to capture robin alive they would of shot at the BOH instead of just passing it by. The buster call is supposed to be an indiscriminate attack that kills friend and foe everything. Which means if it had not been aokijis orders to capture robin alive they would all be dead right now.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-2/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Also the way they defeated the Battleships was sanji closed the gates of justice creating whirlpools making the BS's crash into each other.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-8/one-piece/chapter-429.html
The first time the SH's got a bunch of lucky breaks and were able to turn the marines home turf against them.
Could they deal with the exact same situation that they had while at Ennis Lobby now easily? yes.
Could they deal with it now if the marines actually go for the kill (instead of capture) like they should of been doing with it? Situational
And I'm sure buster call is better more advanced now too now that Akainu is the fleet admiral.
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Nah. Aokiji was just on a bike somewhere else that was also burning. And he likes to shout out random phrases too.
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Aokiji likes women. Remember when he tried to ask out Nami. That was pretty funny. Or was that anime only?
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On May 02 2014 04:40 Incognoto wrote:
Aokiji likes women. Remember when he tried to ask out Nami. That was pretty funny. Or was that anime only?
Haha, what? When was that? Just before the robin and luffy freeze?
On another note, do we have any information on cp0 other then their existence atm? I can't remember i read anything specific about them.
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On May 01 2014 14:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:51 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 12:31 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 11:49 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 11:42 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 10:48 Forikorder wrote:I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed.
So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes Aokiji was at Enies Lobby. Sengoku was probably present at Ohara, although that one is just me talking out of my ass. He just decided to do nothing there because of plot. Buster Calls can only be authorized by Admirals. Spandam being able to call one was a special privileged given to him by Aokiji for the purpose of coercing Robin's cooperation. Buster Calls are an attack of a small army lead by an Admiral and 5 Vice Admirals. Please pay attention to the story. This isn't that hard. why say "pay attention to the story" when so far int he story no admiral has taken aprt in a buster call? yes Aokiji could have taken part in the battle of Enies lobby but he didnt You said just in the previous post that there was no Admiral there at Enies Lobby. And now Aokiji was? And he could have very well taken part in the battle if he wasn't a lazy SOB? he wasnt at Enies lobby regardless of wether he could ahve conceivably taken part, Enel could ahve conceivalby taken part, Kizaru could ahve concievably taken part pretty much anyone could have conceivably taken part to varying degrees of realism but he didnt
See terranghost's post. Please pay attention to the manga and check your facts. This isn't that hard, Fork.
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what he meant was aokiji didn't do shit in Enies lobby. He could have totally ice aged the ocean and freeze everything including going marry if he wanted.
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On May 02 2014 08:14 rei wrote:
what he meant was aokiji didn't do shit in Enies lobby. He could have totally ice aged the ocean and freeze everything including going marry if he wanted.
If thats what he meant, then thats what he should say. He shouldn't insist that no Admiral was even present at Enies Lobby time and time again in the face of people telling him specifically that Aokiji was there, and simply decided not to do anything.
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On May 02 2014 05:31 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:40 Incognoto wrote:
Aokiji likes women. Remember when he tried to ask out Nami. That was pretty funny. Or was that anime only? Haha, what? When was that? Just before the robin and luffy freeze? On another note, do we have any information on cp0 other then their existence atm? I can't remember i read anything specific about them.
Nope its in the manga too.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2426-5/one-piece/chapter-319.html
On May 02 2014 08:14 rei wrote:
what he meant was aokiji didn't do shit in Enies lobby. He could have totally ice aged the ocean and freeze everything including going marry if he wanted.
Rei this is the post that Imo makes me think he did not mean that.
On May 01 2014 14:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:51 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 12:31 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 11:49 Forikorder wrote:On May 01 2014 11:42 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2014 10:48 Forikorder wrote:I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed.
So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes Aokiji was at Enies Lobby. Sengoku was probably present at Ohara, although that one is just me talking out of my ass. He just decided to do nothing there because of plot. Buster Calls can only be authorized by Admirals. Spandam being able to call one was a special privileged given to him by Aokiji for the purpose of coercing Robin's cooperation. Buster Calls are an attack of a small army lead by an Admiral and 5 Vice Admirals. Please pay attention to the story. This isn't that hard. why say "pay attention to the story" when so far int he story no admiral has taken aprt in a buster call? yes Aokiji could have taken part in the battle of Enies lobby but he didnt You said just in the previous post that there was no Admiral there at Enies Lobby. And now Aokiji was? And he could have very well taken part in the battle if he wasn't a lazy SOB? he wasnt at Enies lobby regardless of wether he could ahve conceivably taken part, Enel could ahve conceivalby taken part, Kizaru could ahve concievably taken part pretty much anyone could have conceivably taken part to varying degrees of realismbut he didnt
What I interpret from that is Aokiji was not there and people talking about how could have conceivably taken part in the fight is similiar to how enel if he were there could of taken part.
The strawhats simply lucked out that the admiral present was Aokiji and not kizaru or aokinu. As I guarntee that they would not have just sat back and watched.
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If there is no flamewheel's chapter today people are gonna start questioning life again here
It won't take long.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-15/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Really then who is that.
someone close, but not at, enies lobby
Marines use bustercall to against SH's, the admiral and VA's that were there do not participate. SH's survive the buster call. Therefore since they survived the buster call that means they can do it everytime now.
no thats not at all what i said, all i said is that Luffy Sanji and Zoro can deal with a vice-admiral, which leaves 6 other members to deal with 2 vice admirals and handle the battleships
which is pretty reasonable
Lets say it was akainu that had called the buster call not spandam (aokiji). Do you honestly think that Akainu would of sat on the sidelines. given what he had done in the other buster call we saw.
i dont think Akainu would ahve called it at all he could have dealt with it all himself
And if the marines were not trying to capture robin alive they would of shot at the BOH instead of just passing it by. The buster call is supposed to be an indiscriminate attack that kills friend and foe everything. Which means if it had not been aokijis orders to capture robin alive they would all be dead right now.
but the strawhats were also scattered on account of dealing with CP9 and Luffy was busy fighting the lucci, AND the specific situation they were in gave advantage to the ships, if they had been on an island that couldnt be sunk they wouldnt have run out of space
Could they deal with the exact same situation that they had while at Ennis Lobby now easily? yes.
Could they deal with it now if the marines actually go for the kill (instead of capture) like they should of been doing with it? Situational
literally all ive been saying
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On May 02 2014 12:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-15/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Really then who is that. someone close, but not at, enies lobby Show nested quote +Marines use bustercall to against SH's, the admiral and VA's that were there do not participate. SH's survive the buster call. Therefore since they survived the buster call that means they can do it everytime now. no thats not at all what i said, all i said is that Luffy Sanji and Zoro can deal with a vice-admiral, which leaves 6 other members to deal with 2 vice admirals and handle the battleships which is pretty reasonable Show nested quote +
Lets say it was akainu that had called the buster call not spandam (aokiji). Do you honestly think that Akainu would of sat on the sidelines. given what he had done in the other buster call we saw.
i dont think Akainu would ahve called it at all he could have dealt with it all himself Show nested quote +And if the marines were not trying to capture robin alive they would of shot at the BOH instead of just passing it by. The buster call is supposed to be an indiscriminate attack that kills friend and foe everything. Which means if it had not been aokijis orders to capture robin alive they would all be dead right now. but the strawhats were also scattered on account of dealing with CP9 and Luffy was busy fighting the lucci, AND the specific situation they were in gave advantage to the ships, if they had been on an island that couldnt be sunk they wouldnt have run out of space Show nested quote +Could they deal with the exact same situation that they had while at Ennis Lobby now easily? yes.
Could they deal with it now if the marines actually go for the kill (instead of capture) like they should of been doing with it? Situational Pretty sure buster calls destroy islands... so there is no island that cant be sunk... literally all ive been saying
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On May 02 2014 12:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-15/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Really then who is that. someone close, but not at, enies lobby
"I had no idea you were here...!"
"..."
"We are still going to go after them!"
"No need. Its obvious that this was our complete defeat."
The above exchange happened between some random guy on a bike out in the ocean who just happened to be right next to some weird inferno and some Battleships. I wonder who and where this could be...?
Please Fork, you are wrong, please stop struggling with your nonsense, and take this gracefully.
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It could have been one of Enel's many lightning clones.
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On May 03 2014 10:05 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 12:44 Forikorder wrote:http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-15/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Really then who is that. someone close, but not at, enies lobby "I had no idea you were here...!" "..." "We are still going to go after them!" "No need. Its obvious that this was our complete defeat." The above exchange happened between some random guy on a bike out in the ocean who just happened to be right next to some weird inferno and some Battleships. I wonder who and where this could be...? Please Fork, you are wrong, please stop struggling with your nonsense, and take this gracefully. It's too late..
edit: @ terranghost: Thanks for looking it up. 
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On May 03 2014 10:05 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 12:44 Forikorder wrote:http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-15/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Really then who is that. someone close, but not at, enies lobby "I had no idea you were here...!" "..." "We are still going to go after them!" "No need. Its obvious that this was our complete defeat." The above exchange happened between some random guy on a bike out in the ocean who just happened to be right next to some weird inferno and some Battleships. I wonder who and where this could be...? Please Fork, you are wrong, please stop struggling with your nonsense, and take this gracefully.
i never said he wasnt close to enies lobby he just wasnt actually there just close enough to watch but wasnt actually there
unless you count being on enied lobby as being within a few kilometers in the sea
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On May 03 2014 12:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 10:05 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2014 12:44 Forikorder wrote:http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2536-15/one-piece/chapter-429.html
Really then who is that. someone close, but not at, enies lobby "I had no idea you were here...!" "..." "We are still going to go after them!" "No need. Its obvious that this was our complete defeat." The above exchange happened between some random guy on a bike out in the ocean who just happened to be right next to some weird inferno and some Battleships. I wonder who and where this could be...? Please Fork, you are wrong, please stop struggling with your nonsense, and take this gracefully. i never said he wasnt close to enies lobby he just wasnt actually there just close enough to watch but wasnt actually there unless you count being on enied lobby as being within a few kilometers in the sea
So were the Battleships that were destroying Enies Lobby not actually at Enies Lobby, then? Please just take your dumpstering gracefully.
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