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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
Do you think The threads/strings are being constantly vibrated finely by DD? Or is it just a very fine "sharp" string that has haki which reinforces it to prevent it fromt breaking? Or is it a combination of both? I am just wondering because is the birdcage functioning with DD being unable to fight back if you do reach him given that his haki is essentially spread through the "cage" and he is concentrating on it to keep it intact. Just curious what you guys think. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On April 30 2014 19:40 Incognoto wrote: 5 vice admirals is pretty strong but they're fodder compared to what's on Dressrosa atm. can't just blanket any vice admiral with that shit, for all you know there are many monsters like Garp who didn't get promoted into admiral cause there is only limited spots. And also one piece universe doesn't measure fighting strength with the stronger in haki/power the better the fighter. like a lowly crocodile in some random lake can bite off one of the strongest haki user's arm for example. People have different ability that can be very effective against others who doesn't know how to deal with it, like zoro got his sword rusted when he first encounter the rust fruit user, of course he won't be surprised by it the 2nd time, but the points is any unknown fruit/ability can be used to win a fight without giving a chance for the other guy to do anything about it. One classic example would be fighting crocodile in the desert. He can literally go Gara on people at will and suck ppl drive with ez. It doesn't matter how much Haki you would, if you get sandstormed and bury under 500meters of sand or get all water sucked out of you by suprise when crocodile touched you with the hand. The fight would be over instantly. Luffy won so many fights because he had a 2nd chance after his first defeat and found about of how to deal with those overpower abilities. If luffy was not the main character he would have died after the first defeat. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:11 17Sphynx17 wrote: want to know what you guys think about the birdcage. Do you think The threads/strings are being constantly vibrated finely by DD? Or is it just a very fine "sharp" string that has haki which reinforces it to prevent it fromt breaking? Or is it a combination of both? I am just wondering because is the birdcage functioning with DD being unable to fight back if you do reach him given that his haki is essentially spread through the "cage" and he is concentrating on it to keep it intact. Just curious what you guys think. If a string is thin enough it can cut anything so long as it has the strength to not break itself. I don't think it is being vibrated, so I would say the latter of your two scenarios, though I don't know if haki is necessary. His fruit is paramecia so it may not be necessary. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:11 17Sphynx17 wrote: want to know what you guys think about the birdcage. Do you think The threads/strings are being constantly vibrated finely by DD? Or is it just a very fine "sharp" string that has haki which reinforces it to prevent it fromt breaking? Or is it a combination of both? I am just wondering because is the birdcage functioning with DD being unable to fight back if you do reach him given that his haki is essentially spread through the "cage" and he is concentrating on it to keep it intact. Just curious what you guys think. considering some of the extremely broken shit weve seen Paramecias do, like Scissor being able to cut anything, Magellans insta-kill posion that can corrode anything Diamond Jozu i dont think its that crazy to think that Dofla can make string that cant be cut | ||
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Sharkey
668 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:45 rei wrote: can't just blanket any vice admiral with that shit, for all you know there are many monsters like Garp who didn't get promoted into admiral cause there is only limited spots. And also one piece universe doesn't measure fighting strength with the stronger in haki/power the better the fighter. like a lowly crocodile in some random lake can bite off one of the strongest haki user's arm for example. People have different ability that can be very effective against others who doesn't know how to deal with it, like zoro got his sword rusted when he first encounter the rust fruit user, of course he won't be surprised by it the 2nd time, but the points is any unknown fruit/ability can be used to win a fight without giving a chance for the other guy to do anything about it. My understanding is that Garp never accepted the promotion to Admiral is because he wanted the freedom of a Vice Admiral. Not because there was limited spots. I agree that A>B>C, doesn't mean that A>C as you said. Each DF has different strengths and weaknesses. I have a question though. Aside from Garp, can anyone name any notable feats that a current Vice Admiral has done? I am asking this because I was looking yesterday at the different current Vice Admirals and we haven't seen many of them actually fight. Smoker, yes. Lots were in Marineford and fighting. But from my brief research yesterday I couldn't really tell if they were someone to be feared. Without Garp I think the Strawhats could beat a buster call, as long as they weren't tied down with other fighting or exhausted (imo). Also I don't think Fujitora will ever make a buster call because it goes against his personality. A buster call is meant to annihilate everyone on the island, friend and foe. Fujitora shows a lot of concern for the civilians of Dressrosa. On April 30 2014 14:00 Sentenal wrote: A Buster Call is regarded as the strongest military assault the Marines can do. Putting aside the 10 Battleships that are full of people captain-rank or higher, it also comes with 5 Vice Admirals, and (in theory) the Admiral who ordered it. It wasn't weak at all in the Old World. And the 5 Vice Admirals who showed up with it at Enies Lobby were people able to fight equally with Whitebeard's Division Commander, with a few of them even disguishing themselves, like when Onigumo shackled Marco. It is a completely ridiculous notion to call a Buster Call weak. The only time the Marines assembled a larger force was to fight fucking Whitebeard lol. Onigumo shackling Marco wasn't that impressive (from reading the manga, unless i am missing something). Wasn't Marco fighting the Admiral Kizaru and Onigumo sneaked up behind him to but on the seastone handcuffs? Also were can I find that everyone on the buster call is a captain rank or higher? I was looking for that information yesterday and I couldn't find it. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18714 Posts
On May 01 2014 03:05 Sharkey wrote: My understanding is that Garp never accepted the promotion to Admiral is because he wanted the freedom of a Vice Admiral. Not because there was limited spots. I agree that A>B>C, doesn't mean that A>C as you said. Each DF has different strengths and weaknesses. I have a question though. Aside from Garp, can anyone name any notable feats that a current Vice Admiral has done? I am asking this because I was looking yesterday at the different current Vice Admirals and we haven't seen many of them actually fight. Smoker, yes. Lots were in Marineford and fighting. But from my brief research yesterday I couldn't really tell if they were someone to be feared. Without Garp I think the Strawhats could beat a buster call, as long as they weren't tied down with other fighting or exhausted (imo). Also I don't think Fujitora will ever make a buster call because it goes against his personality. A buster call is meant to annihilate everyone on the island, friend and foe. Fujitora shows a lot of concern for the civilians of Dressrosa. Onigumo shackling Marco wasn't that impressive (from reading the manga, unless i am missing something). Wasn't Marco fighting the Admiral Kizaru and Onigumo sneaked up behind him to but on the seastone handcuffs? Also were can I find that everyone on the buster call is a captain rank or higher? I was looking for that information yesterday and I couldn't find it. Smoker is a recently turned VA. No one apart of Zorro and Luffy could beat Smoker. Now image five of him. Two are held by Luffy and Zorro. What about the other three? No way are the strawhats strong enough to beat 5 VAs yet. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
Also I don't think Fujitora will ever make a buster call because it goes against his personality. A buster call is meant to annihilate everyone on the island, friend and foe. Fujitora shows a lot of concern for the civilians of Dressrosa. it was used on Ohara and civilians were supposed to be evacuated before Magma guy went against orders and killed them all Smoker is a recently turned VA. No one apart of Zorro and Luffy could beat Smoker. Now image five of him. Two are held by Luffy and Zorro. What about the other three? Sanji could deal with one, he was fighting Vergo just fine aside from small fracture at the start of the fight which could easily be explained as just a mistake on Sanjis part (nor realising he was blocking something so hard/strong) so between Brook, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Nami and usopp i think they could deal with 2 vice admirals id say the Straw Hats would be able to beat a buster call | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I think the Straw hats could take on a buster call.. Sanji is there and not all VAs are as strong as Vergo (smoker proved that didn't he?). | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
On May 01 2014 04:07 Forikorder wrote: it was used on Ohara and civilians were supposed to be evacuated before Magma guy went against orders and killed them all Sanji could deal with one, he was fighting Vergo just fine aside from small fracture at the start of the fight which could easily be explained as just a mistake on Sanjis part (nor realising he was blocking something so hard/strong) so between Brook, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Nami and usopp i think they could deal with 2 vice admirals id say the Straw Hats would be able to beat a buster call It's not so much the VAs that are the problem. Its the fleet of Battleships going ham on the island and everything near. No matter how strong you are that shit ain't easy. People seem to be overrating the New World fodder imo. There seems to be a fair but of distance of power within the ranks of VA. We saw one of them get rekt by Barto. Smoker and especially Vergo are formidable enemies to most and there is no doubt the ones present at the War are some strong buggers. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 01 2014 04:14 shark. wrote: It's not so much the VAs that are the problem. Its the fleet of Battleships going ham on the island and everything near. No matter how strong you are that shit ain't easy. People seem to be overrating the New World fodder imo. There seems to be a fair but of distance of power within the ranks of VA. We saw one of them get rekt by Barto. Smoker and especially Vergo are formidable enemies to most and there is no doubt the ones present at the War are some strong buggers. im not saying easily and it does depend on where they are but i think that it would definently be possible for them to take down a buster call, Luffy can sink battleships battleships fairly easily so if they could get in a positoon where they could prevent the battleships from unloading on the more fragile members then its there win | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
she tells me one piece "isn't for girls" what a hopeless simpleton | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
Sanji could deal with one, he was fighting Vergo just fine aside from small fracture at the start of the fight which could easily be explained as just a mistake on Sanjis part (nor realising he was blocking something so hard/strong) so between Brook, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Nami and usopp i think they could deal with 2 vice admirals id say the Straw Hats would be able to beat a buster call I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed. So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. On May 01 2014 04:27 Incognoto wrote: have a friend i'm trying to get to watch one piece she tells me one piece "isn't for girls" what a hopeless simpleton =P | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On May 01 2014 03:05 Sharkey wrote: As for every marine being a captain, i recall something like that too, but it might be an anime-only part. In my memory (although i havent checked it) it was said during the moment the straw hats encountered the grunts of the buster call, at the end of/just after luffy's fight against cp9.My understanding is that Garp never accepted the promotion to Admiral is because he wanted the freedom of a Vice Admiral. Not because there was limited spots. I agree that A>B>C, doesn't mean that A>C as you said. Each DF has different strengths and weaknesses. I have a question though. Aside from Garp, can anyone name any notable feats that a current Vice Admiral has done? I am asking this because I was looking yesterday at the different current Vice Admirals and we haven't seen many of them actually fight. Smoker, yes. Lots were in Marineford and fighting. But from my brief research yesterday I couldn't really tell if they were someone to be feared. Without Garp I think the Strawhats could beat a buster call, as long as they weren't tied down with other fighting or exhausted (imo). Also I don't think Fujitora will ever make a buster call because it goes against his personality. A buster call is meant to annihilate everyone on the island, friend and foe. Fujitora shows a lot of concern for the civilians of Dressrosa. Onigumo shackling Marco wasn't that impressive (from reading the manga, unless i am missing something). Wasn't Marco fighting the Admiral Kizaru and Onigumo sneaked up behind him to but on the seastone handcuffs? Also were can I find that everyone on the buster call is a captain rank or higher? I was looking for that information yesterday and I couldn't find it. In a roundabout way i could see that meaning those are about as strong as Axe hand Morgan. That would be pretty believable for me, although that's just speculation. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 01 2014 08:17 Yorbon wrote: As for every marine being a captain, i recall something like that too, but it might be an anime-only part. In my memory (although i havent checked it) it was said during the moment the straw hats encountered the grunts of the buster call, at the end of/just after luffy's fight against cp9. In a roundabout way i could see that meaning those are about as strong as Axe hand Morgan. That would be pretty believable for me, although that's just speculation. When they were surrounded on the Bridge of Hesitation, the Marines came at them with only people ranked Captain or higher. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2533-10/one-piece/chapter-426.html Some people seem to be putting "New World Fodder" on a pestle here too. We have seen "New World Fodder" before. A lot of them fought at Marineford on Whitebeard's side. Like 50 different allied Pirate Crews showed up there. And with only the exception of a handful of Captains from that bunch, all they did was get dumpstered by Vice Admirals and Pacifista. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
I still don't think that the buster call is even going to happen here but you seem to be forgetting the admiril that issued the buster call if he participates even under your assuptions they would still be coming up empty handed. So it becomes situational as to whether they can or not. its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 01 2014 10:48 Forikorder wrote: its not going to happen but the question "can the strawhats deal with a buster call" has the answer yes sure there could be an admiral there or other unfortunate circumstances but if ennies lobby happened again theyd be able to deal with it Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 01 2014 11:42 Sentenal wrote: Buster Calls are called by Admirals. It isn't even a question of "there could be an admiral there". They are the ones with the Golden Denden Mushi. It is strongly implied that the Buster Calls we actually have seen have been the rare exceptions, when an Admiral gives someone else the authority to call one. And even then, Aokiji was dicking around at Enies Lobby, watching the whole thing from his bike out in the ocean. If he had been serious there and gotten involved too, which he very well could have if he wasn't as lazy as he is, then the Strawhats would be dead. Against a force of 1 Admiral+5 Vice Admirals+10 Battleships, the Strawhats would run away, like they always do. of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 01 2014 11:49 Forikorder wrote: of the 2 buster calls weve known of neither had an admiral there so... can the strawhats deal with a small army lead by an admiral? no can they deal with a buster call? yes Aokiji was at Enies Lobby. Sengoku was probably present at Ohara, although that one is just me talking out of my ass. He just decided to do nothing there because of plot. Buster Calls can only be authorized by Admirals. Spandam being able to call one was a special privileged given to him by Aokiji for the purpose of coercing Robin's cooperation. Buster Calls are an attack of a small army lead by an Admiral and 5 Vice Admirals. Please pay attention to the story. This isn't that hard. | ||
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