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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 28 2014 19:07 GMT
#15281
On April 29 2014 03:30 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 02:10 Azuzu wrote:
I just want to see the fighting king destroy the castle.

Damn, that's better than my prediction.

I said "a smart person like Law and Sanji" implying that if Sanji wasn't somewhere away on a ship, Sanji would do such a thing. Law would do it as well if he wasn't acting so hopeless and hostile right now.
Hard to tell who inside the birdcage would do that, since we don't know most new characters good enough. Maybe Sabo, maybe some of gladiator, who knows.

would be pointless to send someone, hes got tons of powerful enemies hes not going to give up one of his powerful allies to chase someone theyd never catch with such a huge lead
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 21:30:56
April 28 2014 21:30 GMT
#15282
On April 29 2014 00:43 []Phase[] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:43 rei wrote:
he's implying sanji is smart because he wasn't even in the birdcage in the first place like the rest of those idiots who didn't see it coming.

What? No... how could sanji even know the whole birdcage plan in the first place. Not being there by accident doesn't make you smarter. Does that make everyone that died by accident stupid? Anyways...

What forik said is correct : it doesn't make sense for Mataza to imply sanji in that sentence. Unless it was meant like a hypothetical 'if Sanji was there, he would've been smart enough to do such and such'. But I doubt it.

No. He said someone smart like Sanji. This implies a person, who is not Sanji, but has similar intelligence to Sanji. The word "like" is a very versatile word.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 28 2014 21:42 GMT
#15283
On April 29 2014 06:30 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 00:43 []Phase[] wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:43 rei wrote:
he's implying sanji is smart because he wasn't even in the birdcage in the first place like the rest of those idiots who didn't see it coming.

What? No... how could sanji even know the whole birdcage plan in the first place. Not being there by accident doesn't make you smarter. Does that make everyone that died by accident stupid? Anyways...

What forik said is correct : it doesn't make sense for Mataza to imply sanji in that sentence. Unless it was meant like a hypothetical 'if Sanji was there, he would've been smart enough to do such and such'. But I doubt it.

No. He said someone smart like Sanji. This implies a person, who is not Sanji, but has similar intelligence to Sanji. The word "like" is a very versatile word.

and deciding what definition is entirely about context, he named 2 very specific present people it seemed very clear he was talking about them not talking about people similar to them

and Sanji would never try to run away anyway when it comes down to it hes just like Luffy and Zoro hed be the first one top of the castle (cause he can fly)

besides the whole strategy revolves around A) Doflamingo being able to tell if someone can escape B) sending someone to try to catch the runaway for some unknown reason and C) the person being sent being strong enough to validate them losing a member of there group
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 00:12:40
April 29 2014 00:12 GMT
#15284
What a useless argument. At least everyone now knows that Sanji's not in the bird cage.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 00:50:39
April 29 2014 00:49 GMT
#15285
On April 29 2014 06:42 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 06:30 Sentenal wrote:
On April 29 2014 00:43 []Phase[] wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:43 rei wrote:
he's implying sanji is smart because he wasn't even in the birdcage in the first place like the rest of those idiots who didn't see it coming.

What? No... how could sanji even know the whole birdcage plan in the first place. Not being there by accident doesn't make you smarter. Does that make everyone that died by accident stupid? Anyways...

What forik said is correct : it doesn't make sense for Mataza to imply sanji in that sentence. Unless it was meant like a hypothetical 'if Sanji was there, he would've been smart enough to do such and such'. But I doubt it.

No. He said someone smart like Sanji. This implies a person, who is not Sanji, but has similar intelligence to Sanji. The word "like" is a very versatile word.

and deciding what definition is entirely about context, he named 2 very specific present people it seemed very clear he was talking about them not talking about people similar to them

and Sanji would never try to run away anyway when it comes down to it hes just like Luffy and Zoro hed be the first one top of the castle (cause he can fly)

besides the whole strategy revolves around A) Doflamingo being able to tell if someone can escape B) sending someone to try to catch the runaway for some unknown reason and C) the person being sent being strong enough to validate them losing a member of there group

Sanji always looks at the conflict overall when deciding what he has to do. Sometimes its jumping in there to just bash his head against things like Luffy and Zoro. Sometimes its taunting Crocodile and leading him on a wild goose chase like at his casino in Alabasta. Sometimes its slipping away to close the Gate of Justice while everyone else is fighting a horde of Marines on the Bridge of Hesitation. No one implied he would "run away" like Usopp or something. The idea was to try and lure people out of the castle. I'm not saying I agree with what he was saying, just that you grossly misinterpreted what he said.

And within this context, since everyone knows that Sanji isn't even in Dressrosa, there is no reason at all for anyone to assume someone is trying to say that Sanji is inside the bird cage. I know you are really bad with language, and this is just one of those times where that is biting you. If you want to continue this, please learn the different uses of the word "like" first.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
April 29 2014 01:08 GMT
#15286
I just want Doflamingo to say "Take out all of these important people" and list a bunch of weaklings to make the strawhats and co panic. I mean, he can't just up and name Luffy, Law, Sabo, Futijora, etc. Who is really going to take them out?

If his list is like "Riku, Viola/Violet, Rebecca, Bellamy" I'll be way happier than if it's just a bunch of strong guys which makes the arc too predictable.

I'm also hoping Dofla is able to parasite one half decent guy. Actually scrap that, I want him to parasite a strawhat. By a strawhat, I want Franky specifically to become an unwilling puppet. I think that would make for some awesome turn of events.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 29 2014 01:11 GMT
#15287
On April 29 2014 09:49 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 06:42 Forikorder wrote:
On April 29 2014 06:30 Sentenal wrote:
On April 29 2014 00:43 []Phase[] wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:43 rei wrote:
he's implying sanji is smart because he wasn't even in the birdcage in the first place like the rest of those idiots who didn't see it coming.

What? No... how could sanji even know the whole birdcage plan in the first place. Not being there by accident doesn't make you smarter. Does that make everyone that died by accident stupid? Anyways...

What forik said is correct : it doesn't make sense for Mataza to imply sanji in that sentence. Unless it was meant like a hypothetical 'if Sanji was there, he would've been smart enough to do such and such'. But I doubt it.

No. He said someone smart like Sanji. This implies a person, who is not Sanji, but has similar intelligence to Sanji. The word "like" is a very versatile word.

and deciding what definition is entirely about context, he named 2 very specific present people it seemed very clear he was talking about them not talking about people similar to them

and Sanji would never try to run away anyway when it comes down to it hes just like Luffy and Zoro hed be the first one top of the castle (cause he can fly)

besides the whole strategy revolves around A) Doflamingo being able to tell if someone can escape B) sending someone to try to catch the runaway for some unknown reason and C) the person being sent being strong enough to validate them losing a member of there group

Sanji always looks at the conflict overall when deciding what he has to do. Sometimes its jumping in there to just bash his head against things like Luffy and Zoro. Sometimes its taunting Crocodile and leading him on a wild goose chase like at his casino in Alabasta. Sometimes its slipping away to close the Gate of Justice while everyone else is fighting a horde of Marines on the Bridge of Hesitation. No one implied he would "run away" like Usopp or something. The idea was to try and lure people out of the castle. I'm not saying I agree with what he was saying, just that you grossly misinterpreted what he said.

And within this context, since everyone knows that Sanji isn't even in Dressrosa, there is no reason at all for anyone to assume someone is trying to say that Sanji is inside the bird cage. I know you are really bad with language, and this is just one of those times where that is biting you. If you want to continue this, please learn the different uses of the word "like" first.

whats the point luring people out? unless Dofla has denden mushis watching the entire circumfrence at beast hes sending a low level scout to take a look, hes not going to send an executive to try and catch someone who may have potentially escaped

and even assuming he does instead of luring the executive away why not fight him in the castle/city ? that way after winning he can go on to fight more people and do more damage

the people fighting against mingo are in a tough position as is, the last thing they want is to send a powerful fighter away from the fight in order to potentially trick one of mingos fighters to check it out
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
April 29 2014 01:28 GMT
#15288
On April 29 2014 10:11 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 09:49 Sentenal wrote:
On April 29 2014 06:42 Forikorder wrote:
On April 29 2014 06:30 Sentenal wrote:
On April 29 2014 00:43 []Phase[] wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:43 rei wrote:
he's implying sanji is smart because he wasn't even in the birdcage in the first place like the rest of those idiots who didn't see it coming.

What? No... how could sanji even know the whole birdcage plan in the first place. Not being there by accident doesn't make you smarter. Does that make everyone that died by accident stupid? Anyways...

What forik said is correct : it doesn't make sense for Mataza to imply sanji in that sentence. Unless it was meant like a hypothetical 'if Sanji was there, he would've been smart enough to do such and such'. But I doubt it.

No. He said someone smart like Sanji. This implies a person, who is not Sanji, but has similar intelligence to Sanji. The word "like" is a very versatile word.

and deciding what definition is entirely about context, he named 2 very specific present people it seemed very clear he was talking about them not talking about people similar to them

and Sanji would never try to run away anyway when it comes down to it hes just like Luffy and Zoro hed be the first one top of the castle (cause he can fly)

besides the whole strategy revolves around A) Doflamingo being able to tell if someone can escape B) sending someone to try to catch the runaway for some unknown reason and C) the person being sent being strong enough to validate them losing a member of there group

Sanji always looks at the conflict overall when deciding what he has to do. Sometimes its jumping in there to just bash his head against things like Luffy and Zoro. Sometimes its taunting Crocodile and leading him on a wild goose chase like at his casino in Alabasta. Sometimes its slipping away to close the Gate of Justice while everyone else is fighting a horde of Marines on the Bridge of Hesitation. No one implied he would "run away" like Usopp or something. The idea was to try and lure people out of the castle. I'm not saying I agree with what he was saying, just that you grossly misinterpreted what he said.

And within this context, since everyone knows that Sanji isn't even in Dressrosa, there is no reason at all for anyone to assume someone is trying to say that Sanji is inside the bird cage. I know you are really bad with language, and this is just one of those times where that is biting you. If you want to continue this, please learn the different uses of the word "like" first.

whats the point luring people out? unless Dofla has denden mushis watching the entire circumfrence at beast hes sending a low level scout to take a look, hes not going to send an executive to try and catch someone who may have potentially escaped

and even assuming he does instead of luring the executive away why not fight him in the castle/city ? that way after winning he can go on to fight more people and do more damage

the people fighting against mingo are in a tough position as is, the last thing they want is to send a powerful fighter away from the fight in order to potentially trick one of mingos fighters to check it out

I hope you aren't asking me this. I wasn't the one who came up with the idea, and I even said I don't necessarily agree with it lol
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
April 29 2014 02:10 GMT
#15289
On April 29 2014 10:08 bittman wrote:
I just want Doflamingo to say "Take out all of these important people" and list a bunch of weaklings to make the strawhats and co panic. I mean, he can't just up and name Luffy, Law, Sabo, Futijora, etc. Who is really going to take them out?

If his list is like "Riku, Viola/Violet, Rebecca, Bellamy" I'll be way happier than if it's just a bunch of strong guys which makes the arc too predictable.

I'm also hoping Dofla is able to parasite one half decent guy. Actually scrap that, I want him to parasite a strawhat. By a strawhat, I want Franky specifically to become an unwilling puppet. I think that would make for some awesome turn of events.

Franky being a puppet isnt too unimaginable. He was beaten, right?
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 02:36:54
April 29 2014 02:28 GMT
#15290
It seems that the language of my post was too complicated.

What I meant was as Sentenal pointed out that I think there are people inside the birdcage that are smart. And I expect these people to trick Doflamingo or at least force Doflamingo to send members of his pirate crew outside the castle to stop people from fleeing the bird cage.
Which leads to a typical situation with many one versus one fights all over the kingdom.
If I had to guess I would name Fujitora and Sabo as such people.
Maybe even Kelly Funk or Dagama of the gladiators would be smart enough to do that.


My entire idea is that Doflamingo uses the birdcage to stop everyone from leaving the country. That is the whole reason he used that. It is literally a cage, a prison.
But I think that Pika controlling the castle walls and Doflamingos crew being inside the castle could actually be impossible to attack directly. The castle is able to fucking fly away and throw people out.
The castle threw Luffy and some others out just before this birdcage started.

Because of that Doflamingos plan isn't just "Survive"
His plan is "Stop everyone from fleeing and kill them all"
If people outside of Dressrosa find out what is happening there, the Marines will send more battleships and more admirals.
You just can't have a mass murderer as a Shichibukai(Sir Crocodile got replaced, too).
Other countries or the Yonkou(especially Shanks) might come as well to take care of Doflamingo.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 29 2014 02:43 GMT
#15291
On April 29 2014 11:28 Mataza wrote:
It seems that the language of my post was too complicated.

What I meant was as Sentenal pointed out that I think there are people inside the birdcage that are smart. And I expect these people to trick Doflamingo or at least force Doflamingo to send members of his pirate crew outside the castle to stop people from fleeing the bird cage.
Which leads to a typical situation with many one versus one fights all over the kingdom.
If I had to guess I would name Fujitora and Sabo as such people.
Maybe even Kelly Funk or Dagama of the gladiators would be smart enough to do that.


My entire idea is that Doflamingo uses the birdcage to stop everyone from leaving the country. That is the whole reason he used that. It is literally a cage, a prison.
But I think that Pika controlling the castle walls and Doflamingos crew being inside the castle could actually be impossible to attack directly. The castle is able to fucking fly away and throw people out.
The castle threw Luffy and some others out just before this birdcage started.

Because of that Doflamingos plan isn't just "Survive"
His plan is "Stop everyone from fleeing and kill them all"
If people outside of Dressrosa find out what is happening there, the Marines will send more battleships and more admirals.
You just can't have a mass murderer as a Shichibukai(Sir Crocodile got replaced, too).
Other countries or the Yonkou(especially Shanks) might come as well to take care of Doflamingo.

right cause it totally makes sense for Doflamingo to send critical parts of his defense FAR away from him in order to chase down someone trying to escape

cause if they escape they can climb mount doom and through the ball of yarn into the volcano that is the source of his power

the only reason the bird cage is there is to prevent the masses from leaving so he can have as much chaos as possible, he doesnt actually care if the strong people decide to leave, hes destroying a country, killing everyone in it and attempting to kill an admiral, some vice admirals and a bunch of fodder
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
April 29 2014 03:02 GMT
#15292
And you don't think that maybe the Marines and the World Government would send the entire fleet and all the other Admirals?

Doflamingo is trying to destroy one of the founding kingdoms of the World Government. It also is the second or third island of the new world, where the Marine Headquarters are now.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
April 29 2014 03:09 GMT
#15293
Wait is there a chapter this wee
I can't keep track of time well
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 29 2014 03:14 GMT
#15294
On April 29 2014 12:09 flamewheel wrote:
Wait is there a chapter this wee
I can't keep track of time well


This week's Golden Week, so no Jump.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
April 29 2014 03:23 GMT
#15295
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

the last week has gone by mad slow then
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 29 2014 04:03 GMT
#15296
On April 29 2014 12:02 Mataza wrote:
And you don't think that maybe the Marines and the World Government would send the entire fleet and all the other Admirals?

Doflamingo is trying to destroy one of the founding kingdoms of the World Government. It also is the second or third island of the new world, where the Marine Headquarters are now.


and you think someone can get from Dressrossa, to the headquarters, inform them, and them decide to send a fleet (which i KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDA doubt) all in a short enough time span for it to effect the current situation?
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 04:59:59
April 29 2014 04:57 GMT
#15297
On April 29 2014 13:03 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:02 Mataza wrote:
And you don't think that maybe the Marines and the World Government would send the entire fleet and all the other Admirals?

Doflamingo is trying to destroy one of the founding kingdoms of the World Government. It also is the second or third island of the new world, where the Marine Headquarters are now.


and you think someone can get from Dressrossa, to the headquarters, inform them, and them decide to send a fleet (which i KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDA doubt) all in a short enough time span for it to effect the current situation?

No.
But Doflamingo lived in Dressrosa for 10 years. He worked 10 years to keep everything secret.
Even if it takes a week or a month for the information to reach the outside world, it will mean that Doflamingo loses everything he worked for.
And that's why he tries to stop people from fleeing. If he wanted he could flee anytime. He can skywalk on his string, at least some of his crew members can fly and Pika, the castle, seems to be flying quite fast as well.
He wants to stop anyone from getting out so he can stay in Dressrosa, and keep doing his illegal stuff.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 05:19:41
April 29 2014 05:19 GMT
#15298
On April 29 2014 13:57 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 13:03 Forikorder wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:02 Mataza wrote:
And you don't think that maybe the Marines and the World Government would send the entire fleet and all the other Admirals?

Doflamingo is trying to destroy one of the founding kingdoms of the World Government. It also is the second or third island of the new world, where the Marine Headquarters are now.


and you think someone can get from Dressrossa, to the headquarters, inform them, and them decide to send a fleet (which i KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDA doubt) all in a short enough time span for it to effect the current situation?

No.
But Doflamingo lived in Dressrosa for 10 years. He worked 10 years to keep everything secret.
Even if it takes a week or a month for the information to reach the outside world, it will mean that Doflamingo loses everything he worked for.
And that's why he tries to stop people from fleeing. If he wanted he could flee anytime. He can skywalk on his string, at least some of his crew members can fly and Pika, the castle, seems to be flying quite fast as well.
He wants to stop anyone from getting out so he can stay in Dressrosa, and keep doing his illegal stuff.

hes killing off the entire population, an admiral, large amounts of marines and all the government officials hes toyed over the eyes have now been remembered, whatever reason he chose Dressrossa for no longer matters and hes fine with tossing a match on it and watching it all burn
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
April 29 2014 06:36 GMT
#15299
On April 29 2014 12:09 flamewheel wrote:
Wait is there a chapter this wee
I can't keep track of time well



I'm sorry Flamewheel. Your chapter doesn't come out this week.
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
April 29 2014 06:41 GMT
#15300
On April 29 2014 15:36 terranghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:09 flamewheel wrote:
Wait is there a chapter this wee
I can't keep track of time well



I'm sorry Flamewheel. Your chapter doesn't come out this week.


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