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rei
United States3593 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Naw DD would be the kind of person to put a fake fruit in and screw the competitors, he didn't, but it wouldn't be strange if he did. Diamante one his most trusted lieutenants did say they didn't plan to give the fruit away. He said they didn't plan to give it away not that they didn't plan on Lucy getting it so they probably didn't even want Burgess to get it. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 14 2014 07:14 Chro wrote: Any one else think he got the fire fruit too easily? like it should have been a fake or a modified fruit. It never felt like the scheme would have been worth the risk of losing the fruit. If i was told correctly, no chapter this week, chapter next week but then a break after that (golden week) imo just a consequence of trying to cram so much in one arc | ||
rei
United States3593 Posts
On April 14 2014 11:57 BlackMagister wrote: DD an honorable person? The same guy that pretended to resign from the Shichibukai position? Made Bellamy and his best friend fight each other to the "death" and then decided to kill Bellamy before he had a chance to redeem himself after his arena failure? Abandons his slaver subordinate when he needs help and puts the slave gladiators in an impossible situations to win their freedom. Naw DD would be the kind of person to put a fake fruit in and screw the competitors, he didn't, but it wouldn't be strange if he did. Diamante one his most trusted lieutenants did say they didn't plan to give the fruit away. He said they didn't plan to give it away not that they didn't plan on Lucy getting it so they probably didn't even want Burgess to get it. What is honorable to you is not the same as what other consider to be honorable. To someone who's not high and mighty about themselves, they can clearly see that Mingo dealt with law's hostage situation the way he had to. He needed to survive, he can't fight in two fronts against the government and potentially Kaido. You don't get people willing to die for you by being dishonest. | ||
Chro
United States240 Posts
On April 14 2014 12:38 rei wrote: What is honorable to you is not the same as what other consider to be honorable. To someone who's not high and mighty about themselves, they can clearly see that Mingo dealt with law's hostage situation the way he had to. He needed to survive, he can't fight in two fronts against the government and potentially Kaido. You don't get people willing to die for you by being dishonest. Buggy and now usopp...? | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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rei
United States3593 Posts
What is honorable? it's completely objective depending on your points of view, What's good and what's evil? again completely objective depend on who you are and where you stand. The world is not black and white, and the world of one piece is not something as shallow as the naruto or bleach. The fact that you guys aren't able to see this tells me that you are not mature enough to understand oda. | ||
Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 14 2014 23:24 rei wrote: the difference is that those people are brainless, while Monet is not, also he has someone with the ability to infiltrate the marines and got into a high ranking position and willing to die for him in the same time. He is in their eyes is honest to them and is honorable and worth dying for. What is honorable? it's completely objective depending on your points of view, What's good and what's evil? again completely objective depend on who you are and where you stand. The world is not black and white, and the world of one piece is not something as shallow as the naruto or bleach. The fact that you guys aren't able to see this tells me that you are not mature enough to understand oda. First of all, you mean subjective, second of all, you just ignored all the evidence presented and offered none of your own in return. You stipulate that the world is not black and white, and then go on to make the jump that because people admire Doflamingo, he must be honourable and honest. How black and white is that? Are you claiming it is metaphysically impossible for someone to be admired or loved if they are not honourable and honest? What an absurd claim, unless you are trolling, i think it is you who do not understand the source material. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 14 2014 23:31 Raneth wrote: First of all, you mean subjective, second of all, you just ignored all the evidence presented and offered none of your own in return. You stipulate that the world is not black and white, and then go on to make the jump that because people admire Doflamingo, he must be honourable and honest. How black and white is that? Are you claiming it is metaphysically impossible for someone to be admired or loved if they are not honourable and honest? What an absurd claim, unless you are trolling, i think it is you who do not understand the source material. someone not honourable would be like buggy who makes a deal with strwahat and then immediately trys to run away but Doflamingo though on punk hazard was willing to admit when he makes a mistake admits when he fucks up and flys all the way out there to fix his mistake weve never seen him lie to his employees hes always honest and up front with them | ||
Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 14 2014 23:38 Forikorder wrote: someone not honourable would be like buggy who makes a deal with strwahat and then immediately trys to run away but Doflamingo though on punk hazard was willing to admit when he makes a mistake admits when he fucks up and flys all the way out there to fix his mistake weve never seen him lie to his employees hes always honest and up front with them Except for the times he isnt, like when he had bellamy attacked before he could take the chance supposedly given to him. To be honourable, the way you are implying, is for honour to feature as a necessary aspect of his character, this is a strong claim, that can be undone with even one counter example. The claim he is NOT honourable, is a weak claim which is as easy to justify as your strong claim is to prove false. Someone can be honourable on numerous occasions, but still not have an honourable character. The inverse is not true because of the way honour works as a property. EDIT: also note there is a distinction between someone's being not honourable, and someone's being deliberately deceitful and deliberately underhanded. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
Except for the times he isnt, like when he had bellamy attacked before he could take the chance supposedly given to him. what chance? he lost in the tournament he had to win to live | ||
Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 15 2014 00:24 Forikorder wrote: what chance? he lost in the tournament he had to win to live And was then told if he took out luffy he was good to go | ||
BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/714/11 http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/729/4 Lying to Law and the world because "he had to" doesn't make it honorable. DD doesn't want to give people what they want. He likes playing with people's feelings and messing with them, like Bellamy, Law, the gladiators and any subordinate not part of his family. The only reason he might uphold giving the Mera Mera fruit is because he would lose face with the pirate/criminal community which is not the same as being honorable. Though as Diamante said they never planned to give the fruit away. | ||
Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 15 2014 00:46 Incognoto wrote: DD shits on everyone except for his crew. which is better than someone like crocodile or buggy It still doesnt make him honourable, it might make him compassionate to his crew, it might make him protective, it might make him lots of things, what it does not make him, is honourable | ||
Serejai
6007 Posts
Poll: Who is most honorable? Enel (15) Doflamingo (7) 22 total votes Your vote: Who is most honorable? | ||
BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 15 2014 00:41 BlackMagister wrote: Bellamy was given a second chance only to be attacked by member of the Donquitxote family before he could even try to kill Luffy. You can't argue he had to betray Bellamy to survive here. He just betrayed Bellamy because he doesn't give a shit about him. I don't see how this can be reasoned as honorable. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/714/11 http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/729/4 Lying to Law and the world because "he had to" doesn't make it honorable. DD doesn't want to give people what they want. He likes playing with people's feelings and messing with them, like Bellamy, Law, the gladiators and any subordinate not part of his family. The only reason he might uphold giving the Mera Mera fruit is because he would lose face with the pirate/criminal community which is not the same as being honorable. Though as Diamante said they never planned to give the fruit away. i dont see how lieing to the dude trying to kill you deserves to be in this conversation at all and despite you thinking that he likes to mess with people feelings he seems extremely straight forward so far | ||
BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Honorable right? There can still be honor between enemies, it's just when you're trying to kill each other it creates a huge incentive not to be honorable to win. Law was planning to give Caesar back that was honorable even though he could have just killed Caesar after DD appeared to resign. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:09 BlackMagister wrote: You can still be honorable to enemies. A swordsman challenges another swordsman to a duel. The second swordsman agrees to the duel, but says "I get to choose the time and place" the first agrees and turns around to leave and is struck down by the second swordsman. Honorable right? There can still be honor between enemies, it's just when you're trying to kill each other it creates a huge incentive not to be honorable to win. Law was planning to give Caesar back that was honorable even though he could have just killed Caesar after DD appeared to resign. except the switch was jsut Law trying to buy time... | ||
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