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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 02:52:59
April 14 2014 02:51 GMT
#14981
Doflamingo is a honorable person who would never cheat his combatants of his coliseum out of their fight rewards. Even evil people have a code that they follow, he's not as low as to put out something fake, he would lose all credibility in the underworld if he hadn't been good for his words. On top of that he didn't plan on allowing anyone that's not a toy walking out of that coliseum in the first place. (he didn't say anything about not killing the person who won the fruit and regain the fruit afterward)
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 03:04:42
April 14 2014 02:57 GMT
#14982
DD an honorable person? The same guy that pretended to resign from the Shichibukai position? Made Bellamy and his best friend fight each other to the "death" and then decided to kill Bellamy before he had a chance to redeem himself after his arena failure? Abandons his slaver subordinate when he needs help and puts the slave gladiators in an impossible situations to win their freedom.

Naw DD would be the kind of person to put a fake fruit in and screw the competitors, he didn't, but it wouldn't be strange if he did. Diamante one his most trusted lieutenants did say they didn't plan to give the fruit away. He said they didn't plan to give it away not that they didn't plan on Lucy getting it so they probably didn't even want Burgess to get it.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 14 2014 03:13 GMT
#14983
On April 14 2014 07:14 Chro wrote:
Any one else think he got the fire fruit too easily? like it should have been a fake or a modified fruit. It never felt like the scheme would have been worth the risk of losing the fruit.

If i was told correctly, no chapter this week, chapter next week but then a break after that (golden week)

imo just a consequence of trying to cram so much in one arc
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 14 2014 03:38 GMT
#14984
On April 14 2014 11:57 BlackMagister wrote:
DD an honorable person? The same guy that pretended to resign from the Shichibukai position? Made Bellamy and his best friend fight each other to the "death" and then decided to kill Bellamy before he had a chance to redeem himself after his arena failure? Abandons his slaver subordinate when he needs help and puts the slave gladiators in an impossible situations to win their freedom.

Naw DD would be the kind of person to put a fake fruit in and screw the competitors, he didn't, but it wouldn't be strange if he did. Diamante one his most trusted lieutenants did say they didn't plan to give the fruit away. He said they didn't plan to give it away not that they didn't plan on Lucy getting it so they probably didn't even want Burgess to get it.


What is honorable to you is not the same as what other consider to be honorable. To someone who's not high and mighty about themselves, they can clearly see that Mingo dealt with law's hostage situation the way he had to. He needed to survive, he can't fight in two fronts against the government and potentially Kaido. You don't get people willing to die for you by being dishonest.
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Chro
Profile Joined May 2010
United States240 Posts
April 14 2014 12:39 GMT
#14985
On April 14 2014 12:38 rei wrote:
What is honorable to you is not the same as what other consider to be honorable. To someone who's not high and mighty about themselves, they can clearly see that Mingo dealt with law's hostage situation the way he had to. He needed to survive, he can't fight in two fronts against the government and potentially Kaido. You don't get people willing to die for you by being dishonest.


Buggy and now usopp...?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 14:15:52
April 14 2014 14:15 GMT
#14986
Are you seriously trying to argue that Doflamingo is an honourable person? Everything suggests that he is the exact opposite, the only exception being the recent and odd case of the fire fruit which is so out of character which is why it is mentioned at all. I mean, it is even stated that he never intended to lose the fire fruit, which makes it even odder. And in One Piece, you get people willing to die for dishonest people all the time; literally every boss the strawhats face, be they pirates or the marines.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 14:28:12
April 14 2014 14:24 GMT
#14987
the difference is that those people are brainless, while Monet is not, also he has someone with the ability to infiltrate the marines and got into a high ranking position and willing to die for him in the same time. He, in their eyes is honest to them and is honorable and worth dying for.

What is honorable? it's completely objective depending on your points of view, What's good and what's evil? again completely objective depend on who you are and where you stand. The world is not black and white, and the world of one piece is not something as shallow as the naruto or bleach.

The fact that you guys aren't able to see this tells me that you are not mature enough to understand oda.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
April 14 2014 14:31 GMT
#14988
On April 14 2014 23:24 rei wrote:
the difference is that those people are brainless, while Monet is not, also he has someone with the ability to infiltrate the marines and got into a high ranking position and willing to die for him in the same time. He is in their eyes is honest to them and is honorable and worth dying for.

What is honorable? it's completely objective depending on your points of view, What's good and what's evil? again completely objective depend on who you are and where you stand. The world is not black and white, and the world of one piece is not something as shallow as the naruto or bleach.

The fact that you guys aren't able to see this tells me that you are not mature enough to understand oda.

First of all, you mean subjective, second of all, you just ignored all the evidence presented and offered none of your own in return. You stipulate that the world is not black and white, and then go on to make the jump that because people admire Doflamingo, he must be honourable and honest. How black and white is that? Are you claiming it is metaphysically impossible for someone to be admired or loved if they are not honourable and honest? What an absurd claim, unless you are trolling, i think it is you who do not understand the source material.
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 14 2014 14:38 GMT
#14989
On April 14 2014 23:31 Raneth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 23:24 rei wrote:
the difference is that those people are brainless, while Monet is not, also he has someone with the ability to infiltrate the marines and got into a high ranking position and willing to die for him in the same time. He is in their eyes is honest to them and is honorable and worth dying for.

What is honorable? it's completely objective depending on your points of view, What's good and what's evil? again completely objective depend on who you are and where you stand. The world is not black and white, and the world of one piece is not something as shallow as the naruto or bleach.

The fact that you guys aren't able to see this tells me that you are not mature enough to understand oda.

First of all, you mean subjective, second of all, you just ignored all the evidence presented and offered none of your own in return. You stipulate that the world is not black and white, and then go on to make the jump that because people admire Doflamingo, he must be honourable and honest. How black and white is that? Are you claiming it is metaphysically impossible for someone to be admired or loved if they are not honourable and honest? What an absurd claim, unless you are trolling, i think it is you who do not understand the source material.

someone not honourable would be like buggy who makes a deal with strwahat and then immediately trys to run away

but Doflamingo though on punk hazard was willing to admit when he makes a mistake admits when he fucks up and flys all the way out there to fix his mistake weve never seen him lie to his employees hes always honest and up front with them
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 14:44:18
April 14 2014 14:42 GMT
#14990
On April 14 2014 23:38 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 23:31 Raneth wrote:
On April 14 2014 23:24 rei wrote:
the difference is that those people are brainless, while Monet is not, also he has someone with the ability to infiltrate the marines and got into a high ranking position and willing to die for him in the same time. He is in their eyes is honest to them and is honorable and worth dying for.

What is honorable? it's completely objective depending on your points of view, What's good and what's evil? again completely objective depend on who you are and where you stand. The world is not black and white, and the world of one piece is not something as shallow as the naruto or bleach.

The fact that you guys aren't able to see this tells me that you are not mature enough to understand oda.

First of all, you mean subjective, second of all, you just ignored all the evidence presented and offered none of your own in return. You stipulate that the world is not black and white, and then go on to make the jump that because people admire Doflamingo, he must be honourable and honest. How black and white is that? Are you claiming it is metaphysically impossible for someone to be admired or loved if they are not honourable and honest? What an absurd claim, unless you are trolling, i think it is you who do not understand the source material.

someone not honourable would be like buggy who makes a deal with strwahat and then immediately trys to run away

but Doflamingo though on punk hazard was willing to admit when he makes a mistake admits when he fucks up and flys all the way out there to fix his mistake weve never seen him lie to his employees hes always honest and up front with them

Except for the times he isnt, like when he had bellamy attacked before he could take the chance supposedly given to him.

To be honourable, the way you are implying, is for honour to feature as a necessary aspect of his character, this is a strong claim, that can be undone with even one counter example. The claim he is NOT honourable, is a weak claim which is as easy to justify as your strong claim is to prove false.

Someone can be honourable on numerous occasions, but still not have an honourable character. The inverse is not true because of the way honour works as a property.

EDIT: also note there is a distinction between someone's being not honourable, and someone's being deliberately deceitful and deliberately underhanded.
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 14 2014 15:24 GMT
#14991
Except for the times he isnt, like when he had bellamy attacked before he could take the chance supposedly given to him.


what chance? he lost in the tournament he had to win to live
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
April 14 2014 15:41 GMT
#14992
On April 15 2014 00:24 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
Except for the times he isnt, like when he had bellamy attacked before he could take the chance supposedly given to him.


what chance? he lost in the tournament he had to win to live

And was then told if he took out luffy he was good to go
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 15:42:42
April 14 2014 15:41 GMT
#14993
Bellamy was given a second chance only to be attacked by member of the Donquitxote family before he could even try to kill Luffy. You can't argue he had to betray Bellamy to survive here. He just betrayed Bellamy because he doesn't give a shit about him. I don't see how this can be reasoned as honorable.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/714/11
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/729/4

Lying to Law and the world because "he had to" doesn't make it honorable. DD doesn't want to give people what they want. He likes playing with people's feelings and messing with them, like Bellamy, Law, the gladiators and any subordinate not part of his family. The only reason he might uphold giving the Mera Mera fruit is because he would lose face with the pirate/criminal community which is not the same as being honorable. Though as Diamante said they never planned to give the fruit away.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 14 2014 15:46 GMT
#14994
DD shits on everyone except for his crew. which is better than someone like crocodile or buggy
maru lover forever
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
April 14 2014 15:51 GMT
#14995
On April 15 2014 00:46 Incognoto wrote:
DD shits on everyone except for his crew. which is better than someone like crocodile or buggy

It still doesnt make him honourable, it might make him compassionate to his crew, it might make him protective, it might make him lots of things, what it does not make him, is honourable
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 15:52:20
April 14 2014 15:52 GMT
#14996
Do you guys feel that Doflamingo is more or less honorable than Enel?

Poll: Who is most honorable?

Enel (15)
 
68%

Doflamingo (7)
 
32%

22 total votes

Your vote: Who is most honorable?

(Vote): Doflamingo
(Vote): Enel



I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 14 2014 15:58 GMT
#14997
I forget if Enel betrayed anyone during his arc, but he did keep his promise to let the "winner" live which was Nami. He might have betrayed the old God and Skypie citizens.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 14 2014 16:00 GMT
#14998
On April 15 2014 00:41 BlackMagister wrote:
Bellamy was given a second chance only to be attacked by member of the Donquitxote family before he could even try to kill Luffy. You can't argue he had to betray Bellamy to survive here. He just betrayed Bellamy because he doesn't give a shit about him. I don't see how this can be reasoned as honorable.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/714/11
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/729/4

Lying to Law and the world because "he had to" doesn't make it honorable. DD doesn't want to give people what they want. He likes playing with people's feelings and messing with them, like Bellamy, Law, the gladiators and any subordinate not part of his family. The only reason he might uphold giving the Mera Mera fruit is because he would lose face with the pirate/criminal community which is not the same as being honorable. Though as Diamante said they never planned to give the fruit away.

i dont see how lieing to the dude trying to kill you deserves to be in this conversation at all and despite you thinking that he likes to mess with people feelings he seems extremely straight forward so far
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 14 2014 16:09 GMT
#14999
You can still be honorable to enemies. A swordsman challenges another swordsman to a duel. The second swordsman agrees to the duel, but says "I get to choose the time and place" the first agrees and turns around to leave and is struck down by the second swordsman.

Honorable right? There can still be honor between enemies, it's just when you're trying to kill each other it creates a huge incentive not to be honorable to win. Law was planning to give Caesar back that was honorable even though he could have just killed Caesar after DD appeared to resign.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 14 2014 16:33 GMT
#15000
On April 15 2014 01:09 BlackMagister wrote:
You can still be honorable to enemies. A swordsman challenges another swordsman to a duel. The second swordsman agrees to the duel, but says "I get to choose the time and place" the first agrees and turns around to leave and is struck down by the second swordsman.

Honorable right? There can still be honor between enemies, it's just when you're trying to kill each other it creates a huge incentive not to be honorable to win. Law was planning to give Caesar back that was honorable even though he could have just killed Caesar after DD appeared to resign.

except the switch was jsut Law trying to buy time...
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