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Just some random One Piece related thoughts I've had recently(Has nothing to do with current events). With this arc getting closer to it's end and IMO a decent chance seeing Dragon, I got to thinking a bit about his past and Garp's past. It's probably been discussed here before but since I've only recently starting browsing this thread,,,
What if the reason Dragon started the revolution is the same reason Garp stepped down a little in the marines, I mean he went from bad ass fighting Gol. D Roger to an escort/transport guy when he was clearly still at an insanely high fighting skill level. My theory is that the WG/Navy was somehow invovled in the or turned a blind eye to the death of Luffy's mom which sent Dragon into a rage and hurt Garp deeply. Garp being far to loyal to the marines wouldn't just quite but decides to step down from the front lines in minor protest while Dragon starts the revolutionary army.
Just kind of a random thought process that popped into my head.
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On April 12 2014 22:27 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Just some random One Piece related thoughts I've had recently(Has nothing to do with current events). With this arc getting closer to it's end and IMO a decent chance seeing Dragon, I got to thinking a bit about his past and Garp's past. It's probably been discussed here before but since I've only recently starting browsing this thread,,,
What if the reason Dragon started the revolution is the same reason Garp stepped down a little in the marines, I mean he went from bad ass fighting Gol. D Roger to an escort/transport guy when he was clearly still at an insanely high fighting skill level. My theory is that the WG/Navy was somehow invovled in the or turned a blind eye to the death of Luffy's mom which sent Dragon into a rage and hurt Garp deeply. Garp being far to loyal to the marines wouldn't just quite but decides to step down from the front lines in minor protest while Dragon starts the revolutionary army.
Just kind of a random thought process that popped into my head.
That would be pretty shallow if Dragons agenda was all based on some revenge story. Im sure its more political than that.
And we know why Garp refused the promotion to Admiral several times, its because he is like luffy and prefers freedom over responsibilities.
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On April 12 2014 22:36 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2014 22:27 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Just some random One Piece related thoughts I've had recently(Has nothing to do with current events). With this arc getting closer to it's end and IMO a decent chance seeing Dragon, I got to thinking a bit about his past and Garp's past. It's probably been discussed here before but since I've only recently starting browsing this thread,,,
What if the reason Dragon started the revolution is the same reason Garp stepped down a little in the marines, I mean he went from bad ass fighting Gol. D Roger to an escort/transport guy when he was clearly still at an insanely high fighting skill level. My theory is that the WG/Navy was somehow invovled in the or turned a blind eye to the death of Luffy's mom which sent Dragon into a rage and hurt Garp deeply. Garp being far to loyal to the marines wouldn't just quite but decides to step down from the front lines in minor protest while Dragon starts the revolutionary army.
Just kind of a random thought process that popped into my head. That would be pretty shallow if Dragons agenda was all based on some revenge story. Im sure its more political than that. And we know why Garp refused the promotion to Admiral several times, its because he is like luffy and prefers freedom over responsibilities.
Well I more mean the initial reason, the fuel to the fire so to speak. Probably witnessed a lot of terrible things the WG did then when it happened to his wife it was the last straw for him.
Probably you are right, like I said just random fleeting thought that came to mind, and this is the only place I get to talkOne Piece so I figured I'd post it for some discussion 
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On April 12 2014 22:43 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2014 22:36 sc2holar wrote:On April 12 2014 22:27 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Just some random One Piece related thoughts I've had recently(Has nothing to do with current events). With this arc getting closer to it's end and IMO a decent chance seeing Dragon, I got to thinking a bit about his past and Garp's past. It's probably been discussed here before but since I've only recently starting browsing this thread,,,
What if the reason Dragon started the revolution is the same reason Garp stepped down a little in the marines, I mean he went from bad ass fighting Gol. D Roger to an escort/transport guy when he was clearly still at an insanely high fighting skill level. My theory is that the WG/Navy was somehow invovled in the or turned a blind eye to the death of Luffy's mom which sent Dragon into a rage and hurt Garp deeply. Garp being far to loyal to the marines wouldn't just quite but decides to step down from the front lines in minor protest while Dragon starts the revolutionary army.
Just kind of a random thought process that popped into my head. That would be pretty shallow if Dragons agenda was all based on some revenge story. Im sure its more political than that. And we know why Garp refused the promotion to Admiral several times, its because he is like luffy and prefers freedom over responsibilities. Well I more mean the initial reason, the fuel to the fire so to speak. Probably witnessed a lot of terrible things the WG did then when it happened to his wife it was the last straw for him. Probably you are right, like I said just random fleeting thought that came to mind, and this is the only place I get to talkOne Piece so I figured I'd post it for some discussion
Well i suppose anything is possible, but his response to sabos speech during the burning of grey terminal gave me the impression that he learned to despise the class-based society from growing up in Goa Kingdom/Grey Terminal.
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On April 12 2014 23:15 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2014 22:43 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 12 2014 22:36 sc2holar wrote:On April 12 2014 22:27 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Just some random One Piece related thoughts I've had recently(Has nothing to do with current events). With this arc getting closer to it's end and IMO a decent chance seeing Dragon, I got to thinking a bit about his past and Garp's past. It's probably been discussed here before but since I've only recently starting browsing this thread,,,
What if the reason Dragon started the revolution is the same reason Garp stepped down a little in the marines, I mean he went from bad ass fighting Gol. D Roger to an escort/transport guy when he was clearly still at an insanely high fighting skill level. My theory is that the WG/Navy was somehow invovled in the or turned a blind eye to the death of Luffy's mom which sent Dragon into a rage and hurt Garp deeply. Garp being far to loyal to the marines wouldn't just quite but decides to step down from the front lines in minor protest while Dragon starts the revolutionary army.
Just kind of a random thought process that popped into my head. That would be pretty shallow if Dragons agenda was all based on some revenge story. Im sure its more political than that. And we know why Garp refused the promotion to Admiral several times, its because he is like luffy and prefers freedom over responsibilities. Well I more mean the initial reason, the fuel to the fire so to speak. Probably witnessed a lot of terrible things the WG did then when it happened to his wife it was the last straw for him. Probably you are right, like I said just random fleeting thought that came to mind, and this is the only place I get to talkOne Piece so I figured I'd post it for some discussion Well i suppose anything is possible, but his response to sabos speech during the burning of grey terminal gave me the impression that he learned to despise the class-based society from growing up in Goa Kingdom/Grey Terminal.
Very true but with Garp being his father, why would he grow up in a bad area? I mean I assume Garp makes some pretty decent money being a bad ass marine and all. I honestly forget if they mentioned it but did Dragon really grow up in a bad area like that? My thought was like Luffy's mom's death started him hating them, then more and more he saw the injustices and grew to truly hate that kind of society as he went and it turned from simple revenge to the much deeper and politicallly fueled fight it is now.
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Btw there has been a discussion going on about whether people can destroy a city. + Show Spoiler +Now the reason this discussion started was pretty dumb cuz someone took something out of context but whatever.
There are four points.
1.) able to level a city in the old world
2.) able to level a city in the new world (meaning there are fighters in the city capable of fighting back)
3.) able to destroy an island (as in break it up into parts)
4.) obliterate an island (as in now its there, now its not)
+ Show Spoiler +
It seems people are classifying all 4 of these as able to destroy a city.
Wapol could do number 1 and he isnt all that strong. Chopper in his monster form im sure could do number 1 to but not number 2 because I don't see him beating trebol or pika or what not.
Zoro could definately do number 2 but I don't see him doing number 3.
The only two characters that have shown being able to number 3 (and that does not mean they are the only two)
Is Moria in his 1000 shadow form and WB now BB.
Number 4 I don't think anyone in the OP universe can do that unless they have Pluton.
On April 12 2014 22:27 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Just some random One Piece related thoughts I've had recently(Has nothing to do with current events). With this arc getting closer to it's end and IMO a decent chance seeing Dragon, I got to thinking a bit about his past and Garp's past. It's probably been discussed here before but since I've only recently starting browsing this thread,,,
What if the reason Dragon started the revolution is the same reason Garp stepped down a little in the marines, I mean he went from bad ass fighting Gol. D Roger to an escort/transport guy when he was clearly still at an insanely high fighting skill level. My theory is that the WG/Navy was somehow invovled in the or turned a blind eye to the death of Luffy's mom which sent Dragon into a rage and hurt Garp deeply. Garp being far to loyal to the marines wouldn't just quite but decides to step down from the front lines in minor protest while Dragon starts the revolutionary army.
Just kind of a random thought process that popped into my head.
its an interesting thought
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There are four points.
1.) able to level a city in the old world
2.) able to level a city in the new world (meaning there are fighters in the city capable of fighting back)
3.) able to destroy an island (as in break it up into parts)
4.) obliterate an island (as in now its there, now its not)
+ Show Spoiler +
It seems people are classifying all 4 of these as able to destroy a city.
Wapol could do number 1 and he isnt all that strong. Chopper in his monster form im sure could do number 1 to but not number 2 because I don't see him beating trebol or pika or what not.
Zoro could definately do number 2 but I don't see him doing number 3.
The only two characters that have shown being able to number 3 (and that does not mean they are the only two)
Is Moria in his 1000 shadow form and WB now BB.
Number 4 I don't think anyone in the OP universe can do that unless they have Pluton.
pretty sure whitebeard could do 4 if he really wanted to
id also say its silly to say someone cant level a city because of hypothetical badass's potentially occupying it
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I think that "leveling an island" is a shitty measure of power. Plus, I bet that all the Yonkou/Admirals could destroy an island if they use their full power in that direction.I mean, look at the outcome of the Akainu vs Aokiji match for the island Punk Hazard. And I bet that their first thought was,well lets use attacks that will destroy as much as possible from the island. Mihawk probably has the potential to the destroy an island, Garp in his prime as well. Leveling an island,however, is fucking meaningless imo.
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actually i think the power levels between characters in one piece is pretty close
when we are talking about top tier.
all admirals , all yonkou , and some shichibukai
are pretty close in terms of power level.
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I agree that leveling an island is a pretty shitty way to measure power just pointing out the differences.
On April 13 2014 12:49 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +There are four points.
1.) able to level a city in the old world
2.) able to level a city in the new world (meaning there are fighters in the city capable of fighting back)
3.) able to destroy an island (as in break it up into parts)
4.) obliterate an island (as in now its there, now its not)
+ Show Spoiler +
It seems people are classifying all 4 of these as able to destroy a city.
Wapol could do number 1 and he isnt all that strong. Chopper in his monster form im sure could do number 1 to but not number 2 because I don't see him beating trebol or pika or what not.
Zoro could definately do number 2 but I don't see him doing number 3.
The only two characters that have shown being able to number 3 (and that does not mean they are the only two)
Is Moria in his 1000 shadow form and WB now BB.
Number 4 I don't think anyone in the OP universe can do that unless they have Pluton. pretty sure whitebeard could do 4 if he really wanted to id also say its silly to say someone cant level a city because of hypothetical badass's potentially occupying it
He'd imo be the only one that would come close enough to being able to do it by himself.
And yes that is the only difference between 1 and 2 is ability to level a city that is defended. So yes they are pretty much the same thing. Just pointing out the differences.
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On April 13 2014 22:07 terranghost wrote:I agree that leveling an island is a pretty shitty way to measure power just pointing out the differences. Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 12:49 Forikorder wrote:There are four points.
1.) able to level a city in the old world
2.) able to level a city in the new world (meaning there are fighters in the city capable of fighting back)
3.) able to destroy an island (as in break it up into parts)
4.) obliterate an island (as in now its there, now its not)
+ Show Spoiler +
It seems people are classifying all 4 of these as able to destroy a city.
Wapol could do number 1 and he isnt all that strong. Chopper in his monster form im sure could do number 1 to but not number 2 because I don't see him beating trebol or pika or what not.
Zoro could definately do number 2 but I don't see him doing number 3.
The only two characters that have shown being able to number 3 (and that does not mean they are the only two)
Is Moria in his 1000 shadow form and WB now BB.
Number 4 I don't think anyone in the OP universe can do that unless they have Pluton. pretty sure whitebeard could do 4 if he really wanted to id also say its silly to say someone cant level a city because of hypothetical badass's potentially occupying it He'd imo be the only one that would come close enough to being able to do it by himself. And yes that is the only difference between 1 and 2 is ability to level a city that is defended. So yes they are pretty much the same thing. Just pointing out the differences.
but at that point its not who can level a city but whos strong enough to level the people inside it
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On April 14 2014 01:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 22:07 terranghost wrote:I agree that leveling an island is a pretty shitty way to measure power just pointing out the differences. On April 13 2014 12:49 Forikorder wrote:There are four points.
1.) able to level a city in the old world
2.) able to level a city in the new world (meaning there are fighters in the city capable of fighting back)
3.) able to destroy an island (as in break it up into parts)
4.) obliterate an island (as in now its there, now its not)
+ Show Spoiler +
It seems people are classifying all 4 of these as able to destroy a city.
Wapol could do number 1 and he isnt all that strong. Chopper in his monster form im sure could do number 1 to but not number 2 because I don't see him beating trebol or pika or what not.
Zoro could definately do number 2 but I don't see him doing number 3.
The only two characters that have shown being able to number 3 (and that does not mean they are the only two)
Is Moria in his 1000 shadow form and WB now BB.
Number 4 I don't think anyone in the OP universe can do that unless they have Pluton. pretty sure whitebeard could do 4 if he really wanted to id also say its silly to say someone cant level a city because of hypothetical badass's potentially occupying it He'd imo be the only one that would come close enough to being able to do it by himself. And yes that is the only difference between 1 and 2 is ability to level a city that is defended. So yes they are pretty much the same thing. Just pointing out the differences. but at that point its not who can level a city but whos strong enough to level the people inside it
Thats assuming everyone has the same strength.
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On April 12 2014 21:26 MagmaPunch wrote:
It may turn out to be better. Right now it's pretty even between enies lobby and this one. If the end of this arc is as epic as the action throughout it, Dresrossa arc will surpass the level of enies lobby. The amount of big names in this arc is simply mindblowing.
To add my thoughts on the comparison between Enies Lobby and Dressrosa arcs: I feel like the two arcs' contexts and goals are very different. Enies Lobby took place in a pre-Marineford era, with a pre-timeskip crew of Strawhats. The arc seemed much more about crew character development and drama on a stage of budding anti-government themes tied with some of our first insights into the ancient weapons. The tragedies of Robin and the Going Merry, plus Luffy's realization of his own weakness, created a narrative that was much more personal and character-based.
The Dressrosa arc seems to have different goals: introducing and exploring political players and realities in the New World, while hopefully challenging the Strawhats' abilities to their utmost. The stage attention is very much on the specific events occurring, and how they will impact the rest of the New World. Compare this to the Enies Lobby arc, where the bold statement of burning the WG flag was to Luffy a natural course of action, almost an afterthought... since it was part of saving his nakama.
Thus I think it's remiss to say that one arc is just plain better than the other.
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So, I think bird cage is doflamingo mind-controlling all the zoans created up until that point. Zoan army will come to be his
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On April 14 2014 02:34 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2014 21:26 MagmaPunch wrote:
It may turn out to be better. Right now it's pretty even between enies lobby and this one. If the end of this arc is as epic as the action throughout it, Dresrossa arc will surpass the level of enies lobby. The amount of big names in this arc is simply mindblowing. To add my thoughts on the comparison between Enies Lobby and Dressrosa arcs: I feel like the two arcs' contexts and goals are very different. Enies Lobby took place in a pre-Marineford era, with a pre-timeskip crew of Strawhats. The arc seemed much more about crew character development and drama on a stage of budding anti-government themes tied with some of our first insights into the ancient weapons. The tragedies of Robin and the Going Merry, plus Luffy's realization of his own weakness, created a narrative that was much more personal and character-based. The Dressrosa arc seems to have different goals: introducing and exploring political players and realities in the New World, while hopefully challenging the Strawhats' abilities to their utmost. The stage attention is very much on the specific events occurring, and how they will impact the rest of the New World. Compare this to the Enies Lobby arc, where the bold statement of burning the WG flag was to Luffy a natural course of action, almost an afterthought... since it was part of saving his nakama. Thus I think it's remiss to say that one arc is just plain better than the other.
I agree with what you said, however,I was not comparing the essence of the two arcs,since they present the story in two completely different ways. However, what I was comparing is the joy factor that the two arcs deliver. Enies Lobby is so entertaining to read, though Dressrosa so far has been a blast as well. We cannot compare the means,used to present the story,because they are different,but we can compare the "fun read" we have.
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So I was reading the alabasta arc and I was reminded of something.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2309-7/one-piece/chapter-202.html
Cobra says that they were charged with protecting the true history and Robin laughs at him.
But at the same time the Nefertari family was 1 of the 20 familys that supposedly fought against the AK.
So why would Pluton be intrusted to alabasta.
Cobra goes on to say later after robin lies to croc that what is written on that tablet is exactly the whereabouts of pluton though he can't read himself I'm assuming this was more information passed down the Nefertari family line.
So we might get some more answers to that this arc which would be awesome.
Also I know OP goes on break for golden week but. Does that mean there will be no chapter this week.... or next week (dont know exactly when golden week is)
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Any one else think he got the fire fruit too easily? like it should have been a fake or a modified fruit. It never felt like the scheme would have been worth the risk of losing the fruit.
If i was told correctly, no chapter this week, chapter next week but then a break after that (golden week)
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On April 14 2014 07:14 Chro wrote:
Any one else think he got the fire fruit too easily? like it should have been a fake or a modified fruit. It never felt like the scheme would have been worth the risk of losing the fruit.
If i was told correctly, no chapter this week, chapter next week but then a break after that (golden week)
I'm assuming that you cant really create a fruit that looks identical to the fire fruit.
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Well we can create really convincing fake fruit in real life, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do it in One Piece too with wax or something. Especially if they hired someone with a DF that could create something convincing. If they didn't want the fruit taken it was silly for them to actually have the fruit there. Sabo is probably smarter than Luffy who would just fight in the arena, but Luffy could have in theory done the same thing, taken the fruit then run away.
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another part i don't understand is how that collessum is supposedly impossible to get out if you are a fighter. I mean the crowd can apparently get out whenever they want.
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