[Manga] One Piece - Page 428

On July 19 2013 04:28 Incognoto wrote:


Luffy is much stronger than he was before the time-skip imo, but I don't believe he's Yonkou level yet. He has to actually get through the new world before getting there. He has to have more very close fights like he did against Crocodile and Lucci before he gets to Yonkou level strength.

I think though that you're probably right. Blackbeard couldn't 1v1 either Shanks or Whitebeard, even in two years I find it highly doubtful that he would be on their level. Similarly, I think that Mihawk has strength (or fighting ability, whatever you want to call it) quite comparable to Shanks (ie a Yonkou). However, Mihawk is "only" a Shichibukai. He doesn't seem the political type either. He's just interested in dueling competent swordsmen (the only time during the war he didn't seem bored was when Vista came). Anyway, why is Blackbeard a Yonkou? As it's been said in the story, it's because he knows Whitebeard's territories so well that he managed to acquire them so quickly.

So, being a Yonkou doesn't demand "just" monster-like strength. It demands good politics, which, as Mihawk himself pointed out, Luffy seems to be good at.


Anyway, I think Buggy isn't as weak as we all think he is by the way. Whitebeard said that both Shanks and Buggy were "not bad" when they were on Roger's ship, so Buggy could actually be much stronger than he seems. Or he could be referring to Buggy's "political" strength (no denying he's good at that).

On July 19 2013 02:14 shark. wrote:
If the tournament isn't inturrepted somehow (which i think is very likely) I can see Burgess taking home the mera. He's the first ship/division captain of BB so I can't see how Luffy should be able to take on the "first mate" of a Yonkou. Blackbeard says he doesn't let weaklings on his crew and unless BB carried his entire crew to Yonkou level it should be out of luffys power to take Burgress imo.

On July 19 2013 04:38 Milkis wrote:


Luffy doesn't need to be stronger than the person to beat them. This is something that's been very consistent in the arcs before.

I think my point is constantly that, focusing on power level and saying "X is stronger than Y" isn't that meaningful in One Piece and completely the wrong thing to focus on. That's my point in saying, "too much shounen logic".

Also comparing Whitebeard to the rest of the yonkous is kind of unfair. Saying that Admirals < Yonkou because they couldn't (or rather, didn't) take on Whitebeard one on one is very shaky. Even saying that Strawhats aren't even at admiral level -- what evidence do you have about that, other than "shounen logic" (oh, it'd be boring if they were already at that level cause of power levels?) I think Oda focuses a lot on story telling, and story telling wise I think it'll take away a lot of excitement and tension if we find that again, our precious strawhats are so and completely outclassed as they were in the last half the series. I think Oda has been playing cards very well to show that Strawhats have improved a lot and he's veiling how strong they actually are and he'll continue to do so until much later.


It's quite likely that the marines leave yonkous alone simply because attacking them would take way too much resources, so you leave them around as a balance of power, not because they couldn't take them on. The priority of the marines is very different from the priority of a single yonkou.

One more note: Garp was on par with Roger. There are likely people in the marines who can take on a current yonkou if they were put in a position to fight. I think it makes a lot of sense that they were very cautious when approaching whitebeard. Basically all I'm saying is that I don't think power levels are clear cut at all in OP cause that's not that much of a focus.

I personally think that something will happen and interrupt the tournament, but I also wouldn't doubt that Luffy would win if they got in a fight. Blackbeard will not be the final boss of One Piece -- the final boss will be the Marines, and the political game will be needed to play out for the set up. That's my personal preferences on how I think the story should turn out though.

On July 19 2013 08:56 Hyperbola wrote:
You know what just occurred to me? I think Oda did this arc because everyone was whining about how Ace's fruit was a piece of garbage during the Marineford arc. Now everybody is fighting each other to the death over it lol.
Also to the people who think these characters are useless: have you even seen Bellamy? Oda brings back ancient characters like nobody's business. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we meet Hajruudin in Elbaf or Chinjao on Kaido's islands. Also I'd love to see Ideo again, he seems really cool.

On July 19 2013 08:57 Mensol wrote:

I just want to see Enel.

Also i want to see reactions in this thread when we see Enel again.

On July 19 2013 09:49 rei wrote:
Enel touched MC hammer.

On July 19 2013 10:48 Mataza wrote:

We should rename this thread "Enel manga discussion"

On July 19 2013 04:41 Milkis wrote:


Blackbeard is a foil to Luffy. Oda made it clear many times that Luffy got the rubber fruit for a reason. What better power to counter earthquakes than to be rubber and just flow with it? I'm also a sucker for that theory that Luffy will somehow use the power of Kuma's fruit (whether it be a crew member or an item that ate kuma's fruit) to counter BB's darkness fruit.

Won't be about power, just match ups and circumstance.

On July 19 2013 04:28 Incognoto wrote:
Anyway, I think Buggy isn't as weak as we all think he is by the way. Whitebeard said that both Shanks and Buggy were "not bad" when they were on Roger's ship, so Buggy could actually be much stronger than he seems. Or he could be referring to Buggy's "political" strength (no denying he's good at that).

On July 19 2013 12:46 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Push vs Pull