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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
July 18 2013 21:22 GMT
#8541
luffy would accidentally eat it during the huge banquet party after they beat down doflamingo obviously.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
July 18 2013 21:48 GMT
#8542
On July 19 2013 04:28 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 02:45 Milkis wrote:
On July 19 2013 02:14 shark. wrote:
If the tournament isn't inturrepted somehow (which i think is very likely) I can see Burgess taking home the mera. He's the first ship/division captain of BB so I can't see how Luffy should be able to take on the "first mate" of a Yonkou. Blackbeard says he doesn't let weaklings on his crew and unless BB carried his entire crew to Yonkou level it should be out of luffys power to take Burgress imo.


IMO, new world will be far more about politics and less about raw power levels and whether or not someone is "yonkou level" or not. Luffy is probably Yonkou level, but he wont show it for a long time. You have to realize Oda has been very sneaky about showing off the Strawhat's power.


Luffy is much stronger than he was before the time-skip imo, but I don't believe he's Yonkou level yet. He has to actually get through the new world before getting there. He has to have more very close fights like he did against Crocodile and Lucci before he gets to Yonkou level strength.

I think though that you're probably right. Blackbeard couldn't 1v1 either Shanks or Whitebeard, even in two years I find it highly doubtful that he would be on their level. Similarly, I think that Mihawk has strength (or fighting ability, whatever you want to call it) quite comparable to Shanks (ie a Yonkou). However, Mihawk is "only" a Shichibukai. He doesn't seem the political type either. He's just interested in dueling competent swordsmen (the only time during the war he didn't seem bored was when Vista came). Anyway, why is Blackbeard a Yonkou? As it's been said in the story, it's because he knows Whitebeard's territories so well that he managed to acquire them so quickly.

So, being a Yonkou doesn't demand "just" monster-like strength. It demands good politics, which, as Mihawk himself pointed out, Luffy seems to be good at.


Anyway, I think Buggy isn't as weak as we all think he is by the way. Whitebeard said that both Shanks and Buggy were "not bad" when they were on Roger's ship, so Buggy could actually be much stronger than he seems. Or he could be referring to Buggy's "political" strength (no denying he's good at that).

Blackbeard did 1v1 Shanks and gave him the scar. And that was before he had two devilfruits.
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
July 18 2013 22:10 GMT
#8543
On July 19 2013 02:14 shark. wrote:
If the tournament isn't inturrepted somehow (which i think is very likely) I can see Burgess taking home the mera. He's the first ship/division captain of BB so I can't see how Luffy should be able to take on the "first mate" of a Yonkou. Blackbeard says he doesn't let weaklings on his crew and unless BB carried his entire crew to Yonkou level it should be out of luffys power to take Burgress imo.


I agree with this 100%. Out of all the contestants Burgress definitely has the best pedigree and is imo the strongest there. Also BB getting the fruit would give Luffy all the more reason to hate him.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
July 18 2013 22:29 GMT
#8544
Cavendish gets the fruit.
betaflame
Profile Joined November 2010
175 Posts
July 18 2013 22:53 GMT
#8545
On July 19 2013 04:38 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 03:26 shark. wrote:
On July 19 2013 02:45 Milkis wrote:
On July 19 2013 02:14 shark. wrote:
If the tournament isn't inturrepted somehow (which i think is very likely) I can see Burgess taking home the mera. He's the first ship/division captain of BB so I can't see how Luffy should be able to take on the "first mate" of a Yonkou. Blackbeard says he doesn't let weaklings on his crew and unless BB carried his entire crew to Yonkou level it should be out of luffys power to take Burgress imo.


IMO, new world will be far more about politics and less about raw power levels and whether or not someone is "yonkou level" or not. Luffy is probably Yonkou level, but he wont show it for a long time. You have to realize Oda has been very sneaky about showing off the Strawhat's power.

I admit that politics is involved in being a Yonkou but as Whitebeard and Shanks have shown, how powerful you are is a HUGE part. Oda is sneaky but hes not just going to go through a couple of arcs in the New World and go " oh btw Luffy >Shanks, Zoro surpassed Miwawk during the timeskip and such". The Strawhats while they are strong they are still probably not even = to admirals atm which is a fair bit below the level that has been shown of the current Yonkous in action. You can't just claim territory's and protect them without having the power to defeat anyone and everyone who come to take them.


Luffy doesn't need to be stronger than the person to beat them. This is something that's been very consistent in the arcs before.

I think my point is constantly that, focusing on power level and saying "X is stronger than Y" isn't that meaningful in One Piece and completely the wrong thing to focus on. That's my point in saying, "too much shounen logic".

Also comparing Whitebeard to the rest of the yonkous is kind of unfair. Saying that Admirals < Yonkou because they couldn't (or rather, didn't) take on Whitebeard one on one is very shaky. Even saying that Strawhats aren't even at admiral level -- what evidence do you have about that, other than "shounen logic" (oh, it'd be boring if they were already at that level cause of power levels?) I think Oda focuses a lot on story telling, and story telling wise I think it'll take away a lot of excitement and tension if we find that again, our precious strawhats are so and completely outclassed as they were in the last half the series. I think Oda has been playing cards very well to show that Strawhats have improved a lot and he's veiling how strong they actually are and he'll continue to do so until much later.


It's quite likely that the marines leave yonkous alone simply because attacking them would take way too much resources, so you leave them around as a balance of power, not because they couldn't take them on. The priority of the marines is very different from the priority of a single yonkou.

One more note: Garp was on par with Roger. There are likely people in the marines who can take on a current yonkou if they were put in a position to fight. I think it makes a lot of sense that they were very cautious when approaching whitebeard. Basically all I'm saying is that I don't think power levels are clear cut at all in OP cause that's not that much of a focus.

I personally think that something will happen and interrupt the tournament, but I also wouldn't doubt that Luffy would win if they got in a fight. Blackbeard will not be the final boss of One Piece -- the final boss will be the Marines, and the political game will be needed to play out for the set up. That's my personal preferences on how I think the story should turn out though.




I agree, OP is much more than just beating blackbeard as the "final boss". It also has to do with you know... one piece and also the ancient runes and the political rulers that are above the marines (ie. those people above sengoku when he was fleet admiral).
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
July 18 2013 22:56 GMT
#8546
Something interesting will happen and Zoro's sword Shuusui will eat mera mera fruit.
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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2555 Posts
July 18 2013 23:56 GMT
#8547
You know what just occurred to me? I think Oda did this arc because everyone was whining about how Ace's fruit was a piece of garbage during the Marineford arc. Now everybody is fighting each other to the death over it lol.
Also to the people who think these characters are useless: have you even seen Bellamy? Oda brings back ancient characters like nobody's business. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we meet Hajruudin in Elbaf or Chinjao on Kaido's islands. Also I'd love to see Ideo again, he seems really cool.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
July 18 2013 23:57 GMT
#8548
On July 19 2013 08:56 Hyperbola wrote:
You know what just occurred to me? I think Oda did this arc because everyone was whining about how Ace's fruit was a piece of garbage during the Marineford arc. Now everybody is fighting each other to the death over it lol.
Also to the people who think these characters are useless: have you even seen Bellamy? Oda brings back ancient characters like nobody's business. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we meet Hajruudin in Elbaf or Chinjao on Kaido's islands. Also I'd love to see Ideo again, he seems really cool.

I just want to see Enel.

Also i want to see reactions in this thread when we see Enel again.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
i am plus
Profile Joined October 2011
United States190 Posts
July 19 2013 00:07 GMT
#8549
blackbeard might have given him a scar but akainu didnt even try to fight shanks even with 1 arm when he stopped his attack..

and akainu was willing to fight blackbeard when they tryed to get a warship for that supernova girl
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2555 Posts
July 19 2013 00:19 GMT
#8550
On July 19 2013 08:57 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 08:56 Hyperbola wrote:
You know what just occurred to me? I think Oda did this arc because everyone was whining about how Ace's fruit was a piece of garbage during the Marineford arc. Now everybody is fighting each other to the death over it lol.
Also to the people who think these characters are useless: have you even seen Bellamy? Oda brings back ancient characters like nobody's business. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we meet Hajruudin in Elbaf or Chinjao on Kaido's islands. Also I'd love to see Ideo again, he seems really cool.

I just want to see Enel.

Also i want to see reactions in this thread when we see Enel again.

You seem to really like Enel
rei's alt account?
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
July 19 2013 00:49 GMT
#8551
Enel touched MC hammer.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 19 2013 01:48 GMT
#8552
On July 19 2013 09:49 rei wrote:
Enel touched MC hammer.

We should rename this thread "Enel manga discussion"
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
July 19 2013 02:23 GMT
#8553
On July 19 2013 10:48 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 09:49 rei wrote:
Enel touched MC hammer.

We should rename this thread "Enel manga discussion"

You guys were right, Enel didn't achieve escape velocity when he travel from earth to moon, he's god hence he doesn't have the need to escape from anybody, in fact it was earth that achieved escape velocity away from Enel.
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sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
July 19 2013 03:24 GMT
#8554
On July 19 2013 04:41 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think though that you're probably right. Blackbeard couldn't 1v1 either Shanks or Whitebeard, even in two years I find it highly doubtful that he would be on their level.


Blackbeard is a foil to Luffy. Oda made it clear many times that Luffy got the rubber fruit for a reason. What better power to counter earthquakes than to be rubber and just flow with it? I'm also a sucker for that theory that Luffy will somehow use the power of Kuma's fruit (whether it be a crew member or an item that ate kuma's fruit) to counter BB's darkness fruit.

Won't be about power, just match ups and circumstance.

How would Kuma's fruit counter Blackbeard's?
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
July 19 2013 03:46 GMT
#8555
Push vs Pull
High Risk Low Reward
Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
July 19 2013 05:43 GMT
#8556
On July 19 2013 04:28 Incognoto wrote:
Anyway, I think Buggy isn't as weak as we all think he is by the way. Whitebeard said that both Shanks and Buggy were "not bad" when they were on Roger's ship, so Buggy could actually be much stronger than he seems. Or he could be referring to Buggy's "political" strength (no denying he's good at that).


Oda once said in an SBS that if Buggy were to actually train he'd be one of the strongest pirates around.
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
July 19 2013 09:22 GMT
#8557
I thought everyone knew Buggy D. Clown will be the Pirate king EoS.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 11:59:07
July 19 2013 11:50 GMT
#8558
On July 19 2013 12:46 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Push vs Pull

But BBs "Pull" also disables any devil fruit powers so the "Push" wouldnt work at all.

might i add that Kumas Devil Fruit is probably the most random and nonsensical out of any "major" character.

his fruit gave him paws, that allows him to push people across the entire world, create bombs of concentrated air and transfer a characters physical pain into another charater. you know, makes sense.

why didnt oda just give him the push push fruit or some kind of general air-oriented paramecia? i mean his actual powers and abilities are in no way related or associated with "Paws". Hence it should not be called the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi/ Paw-Paw fruit. it feels shoehorned in to fit with the characters bear theme. But Oda could have kept the Paws on the character if he really wanted, just not make them the "source" of the characters powers...
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 12:07:42
July 19 2013 12:07 GMT
#8559
yeah kuma's paws were really weird. i dont get why oda made it part of the fruit, rather than just making kuma an actual bear
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 19 2013 12:12 GMT
#8560
Because making Kuma an actual bear would make him overpowered. Did no one of you play Dungeons and Dragons? Bear characters 2 stronk. Level 12 dire bear lich. Level 5 black bear wizard. Level 18 bear arch mage aristocrat, king of 2 small kingdoms.
Never fuck with bears.
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