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On March 08 2012 09:45 Keone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 00:55 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Trafalgar going to fight smoker over Luffy's lo-- errrr rivalry. They'll get more Luffy than Hancock will. Everyone's missing a crucial point here. http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/659/16The 'boss' says: "I won't come out either." But Law comes out. That means the boss isn't Law. I'd go far as to guess that "Law" isn't actually Law either, it might just be a mirage or creation by whatever power the REAL boss has.
mangareader translations are notorious for being unaccurate.
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I honestly can't see either the samurai character joining the crew. He seems like he's there to help move the story along--much like Vivi did--and will probably be forgotten/put aside at the end of his storyline. The crew as it stands right now is as complete as it should be, add any more and Oda runs the risk of dividing our attention among too many character personalities.
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On March 08 2012 09:55 Lollerskates wrote:
I honestly can't see either the samurai character joining the crew. He seems like he's there to help move the story along--much like Vivi did--and will probably be forgotten/put aside at the end of his storyline. The crew as it stands right now is as complete as it should be, add any more and Oda runs the risk of dividing our attention among too many character personalities.
at the same time though hes picked a fight with Big mam so having more crew member means we can see more fights going on at once and makes it more reasonable imo
plus from how the samurai is talking hes not gonna be welcome back in his home, he said earlier he should be commiting Sepuku but wouldnt to protect his kid so its possible hes already been labelled as dishonoured in his home and would be kill on sight
though we could see it as he drops the kid off at least
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On March 08 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 09:38 Sentenal wrote:On March 08 2012 08:21 Forikorder wrote:On March 08 2012 08:19 wunsun wrote:
Robin helps progress the story along.
I guess time to theorycraft.
What other roles are possible?
Gunslinger?
... can't think of any other one, except for pretty nurse for Sanji with franky they already have all the roles a ship needs so unless the straw hats never get a new crewmate ever there gonna get someone "redundant" ...Maybe if we say "repetitive", would you understand that? Like I said, this Samurai joining would be the exact same as getting another Cook, or getting another Doctor. Whats so hard to understand about this? well jimbei joining would be the same as them getting another sanji so why should they let him join? they both use martial arts erego there both the same erego your all hypocrites
Since when was Jinbe a cook? Since when was Sanji a fishman? Are you kidding me?
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On March 08 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:
well jimbei joining would be the same as them getting another sanji so why should they let him join? they both use martial arts erego there both the same erego your all hypocrites
There is some overlap with Zoro and Brook in terms of how they fight. Heck there is even some overlap between Franky and Chopper with their strong arm attacks, but each these characters have very different jobs on the ship unrelated to fighting. Zoro is first mate and Brook is a muscian. Franky is a shipwright and Chopper is a doctor.
Also notice I said some overlap because Zoro and Brook still have different fighting styles even though they both use swords. Zoro and the Samurai's sword style would have too much overlap because lets face it Zoro is a two sword style user he just has a third sword for personality as it has no functional value even though storyline wise it does.
Sanji and Jinbei also have a very different fighting style, I don't see the overlap here at all except that they both use physical impacts like Chopper and Franky do. Sanji's kicks and Fishmen Karate are very different, I don't think I've ever seen Jinbei use his feet to fight and of course Sanji never uses his hands. Fishmen Karate also has ranged potential because of it's use of water and shock wave attacks. As for how Jinbei would be different outside of battle well he is a fishmen, he can save people from drowning in almost any water condition or fight/explor underwater something nobody can do without assistance and even then not as well as Jinbei.
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On March 08 2012 10:08 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:
well jimbei joining would be the same as them getting another sanji so why should they let him join? they both use martial arts erego there both the same erego your all hypocrites There is some overlap with Zoro and Brook in terms of how they fight. Heck there is even some overlap between Franky and Chopper with their strong arm attacks, but each these characters have very different jobs on the ship unrelated to fighting. Zoro is first mate and Brook is a muscian. Franky is a shipwright and Chopper is a doctor. Also notice I said some overlap because Zoro and Brook still have different fighting styles even though they both use swords. Zoro and the Samurai's sword style would have too much overlap because lets face it Zoro is a two sword style user he just has a third sword for personality as it has no functional value even though storyline wise it does. Sanji and Jinbei also have a very different fighting style, I don't see the overlap here at all except that they both use physical impacts like Chopper and Franky do. Sanji's kicks and Fishmen Karate are very different, I don't think I've ever seen Jinbei use his feet to fight and of course Sanji never uses his hands. Fishmen Karate also has ranged potential because of it's use of water. As for how Jinbei would be different outside of battle well he is a fishmen, he can save people from drowning in almost any water condition or fight/explorer underwater something nobody can do without assistance and even then not as well as Jinbei.
Not to mention, being a Fishman as powerful as Jinbe, imagine his potential in a naval battle. You guys remember what Arlong and Hordy were able to do in the water, fighting against battleships? Or what Jinbe himself did escaping from Impel Down? The guy must be crazy if he thinks Sanji and Jinbe would be the same.
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On March 08 2012 10:08 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:
well jimbei joining would be the same as them getting another sanji so why should they let him join? they both use martial arts erego there both the same erego your all hypocrites There is some overlap with Zoro and Brook in terms of how they fight. Heck there is even some overlap between Franky and Chopper with their strong arm attacks, but each these characters have very different jobs on the ship unrelated to fighting. Zoro is first mate and Brook is a muscian. Franky is a shipwright and Chopper is a doctor. Also notice I said some overlap because Zoro and Brook still have different fighting styles even though they both use swords. Zoro and the Samurai's sword style would have too much overlap because lets face it Zoro is a two sword style user he just has a third sword for personality as it has no functional value even though storyline wise it does. Sanji and Jinbei also have a very different fighting style, I don't see the overlap here at all except that they both use physical impacts like Chopper and Franky do. Sanji's kicks and Fishmen Karate are very different, I don't think I've ever seen Jinbei use his feet to fight and of course Sanji never uses his hands. Fishmen Karate also has ranged potential because of it's use of water and shock wave attacks. As for how Jinbei would be different outside of battle well he is a fishmen, he can save people from drowning in almost any water condition or fight/explor underwater something nobody can do without assistance and even then not as well as Jinbei.
Jimbei and Sanji are as different as Zoro and the Samurai
Sanji uses a martial art melee combat stlye, Jimbei uses a martial art melee combat style
zoro uses sword the samurai uses swords
also brook and Zoros fighting style is completely different, Brook uses fast attacks and hypnotic music he goes for one strike KOs majority of the time using speed instead of strength his style is like Iai
Zoro uses strong brute force strikes sometimes in combinations but generally doesnt aim so much for the one shot kill as to blow away his opponenet guard and exposing weaknesses
the samurai seems to use a 2 swords style thats sort of a mix between he uses speed more then strengthbut aims for a combination attack
also im pretty sure Jimbei wont be a member of the strawhats whatever job hes doing is gonna kill him or severly wound him the most hes gonna be with the strawhats is there representative on Fishman island
generally when we see a new crew member its a new character just found in that arc that is generally in some sort of trouble and winds up getting help from teh strawhats to solve it
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On March 08 2012 10:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 10:08 BlackMagister wrote:On March 08 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:
well jimbei joining would be the same as them getting another sanji so why should they let him join? they both use martial arts erego there both the same erego your all hypocrites There is some overlap with Zoro and Brook in terms of how they fight. Heck there is even some overlap between Franky and Chopper with their strong arm attacks, but each these characters have very different jobs on the ship unrelated to fighting. Zoro is first mate and Brook is a muscian. Franky is a shipwright and Chopper is a doctor. Also notice I said some overlap because Zoro and Brook still have different fighting styles even though they both use swords. Zoro and the Samurai's sword style would have too much overlap because lets face it Zoro is a two sword style user he just has a third sword for personality as it has no functional value even though storyline wise it does. Sanji and Jinbei also have a very different fighting style, I don't see the overlap here at all except that they both use physical impacts like Chopper and Franky do. Sanji's kicks and Fishmen Karate are very different, I don't think I've ever seen Jinbei use his feet to fight and of course Sanji never uses his hands. Fishmen Karate also has ranged potential because of it's use of water and shock wave attacks. As for how Jinbei would be different outside of battle well he is a fishmen, he can save people from drowning in almost any water condition or fight/explor underwater something nobody can do without assistance and even then not as well as Jinbei. Jimbei and Sanji are as different as Zoro and the Samurai Sanji uses a martial art melee combat stlye, Jimbei uses a martial art melee combat style zoro uses sword the samurai uses swords also brook and Zoros fighting style is completely different, Brook uses fast attacks and hypnotic music he goes for one strike KOs majority of the time using speed instead of strength his style is like Iai Zoro uses strong brute force strikes sometimes in combinations but generally doesnt aim so much for the one shot kill as to blow away his opponenet guard and exposing weaknesses the samurai seems to use a 2 swords style thats sort of a mix between he uses speed more then strengthbut aims for a combination attack also im pretty sure Jimbei wont be a member of the strawhats whatever job hes doing is gonna kill him or severly wound him the most hes gonna be with the strawhats is there representative on Fishman island generally when we see a new crew member its a new character just found in that arc that is generally in some sort of trouble and winds up getting help from teh strawhats to solve it
What?
Sanji is a cook, who fights by kicking and setting his feet on fire.
Jinbe is a fishman, who fights by punching things really hard and hurdling huge volumes of water at his opponents.
The Samuai is a swordsman who fights with 2 swords.
Zoro is a swordsman who can fight with 3 swords, but also often fights with just 2 swords. Also the First-Mate.
How can you be as blind to say that Sanji and Jinbe are just as similar as Zoro and the Samuai? How can you even try and figure out how the Samurai fights with his swords when you have only seen his torso attacking Brooke in like 2 frames?
If the Samurai has some other function, like a Devil Fruit Power, or some sort of skill to give him a purpose, sure he can join. But as it stands, hes Zoro minus 1 sword. Oda isn't that bad of a writer to put someone like that into the crew.
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Even if you want to debate Zoro and Samurai having different fighting styles, aesthetically the characters look too similar. Zoro already dresses and carries around his katanas in the same way as a samurai. In fact it's one of the plot points that Zoro is being mistaken for the Samurai because he looks exactly like a samurai. Zoro also has been trained in a Japanese style sword dojo and the Samurai comes from Wano which is essentially Japan. Lets also not forget they both use katana while Zoro and Brook have two different types of swords.
Personally I'm kind of surprised Wano exists given the amount of Japanese culture that seems already present in One Piece. Oda plans a lot of things but I'm not sure he planned Wano, looking back Zoro's teacher also dresses and even has the hair of a samurai.
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The samurai brings no... 'love' to the crew. People wouldn't like him the way they do with the other characters. If he was introduced to the crew... a lot of people wouldn't recognize him as a 'true' or 'real' SH crew member, myself included.
Then again if there was a 200chapter arc on him, then sure I'd like him. 
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i dunno i still think hes got the Strawhat attitude
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So I'm going to ignore Forikorder (who's either just dumb or a troll) and go back to the theorycrafting, what roles are left to fill?
Lets sum up what we have
Captain - Luffy
1. First Mate - Zoro
2. Navigator - Nami
3. Sniper - Usopp
4. Cook - Sanji
5. Doctor - Chopper
6. Archeologist - Robin
7. Shipwright - Franky
8. Musician - Brook
In chapter one Luffy says he wants 10 people to join him, so we have at the very least two more roles to fill. I can't imagine Oda would forget what Luffy says in chapter 1. So what other roles are there?
Fishman - Jinbe
But that leaves at least one more. Some posibilites, some are dumb, some are possible, just trying to brainstorm roles on a ship as well as fighting techniques.
Giant - Many crews have a giant, could luffy find one? or could we see the return of weakyoshi with full control of her power?
Cannoneer/Grenadier - someone who uses explosives? often there was a gunpowder expert on board ship, since Usopp is all plants now, this could be open.
Scout - maybe someone with exceptional vision, and perhaps super speed but not as strong?
Spy - An expert in camouflage and gaining information in sneaky ways
Tailor - perhaps silly, but someone who works on clothes/sails etc would be unique, and give the crew free costume changes and probably some good chances for humor as well.
You can take the time to shoot them all down if you want, I probably won't care to answer though, but I'm interested to see what other people might come up with. What other roles are left?
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I have a hard time imagining that someone real big, like a Giant or Shirahoshi will join, simply due to their size, and not being able to be on the boat. And in a Shirahoshi's case, being unable to come on land. Outside of Jinbe, I'm not really sure if there is a job on the ship that really needs filling. Could be anything, but I think their "job" in the crew would be something useless like Robin's job as an Archeologist. So their uniqueness would have to come from their abilities in battle, or their personality, and there is no telling what Oda will throw at us with things like this.
IMO the crew needs another chick, though. So much sausage on the Thousand Sunny right now.
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On March 08 2012 12:14 LaughingTulkas wrote:
So I'm going to ignore Forikorder (who's either just dumb or a troll) and go back to the theorycrafting, what roles are left to fill?
Lets sum up what we have
Captain - Luffy
1. First Mate - Zoro
2. Navigator - Nami
3. Sniper - Usopp
4. Cook - Sanji
5. Doctor - Chopper
6. Archeologist - Robin
7. Shipwright - Franky
8. Musician - Brook
In chapter one Luffy says he wants 10 people to join him, so we have at the very least two more roles to fill. I can't imagine Oda would forget what Luffy says in chapter 1. So what other roles are there?
Fishman - Jinbe
But that leaves at least one more. Some posibilites, some are dumb, some are possible, just trying to brainstorm roles on a ship as well as fighting techniques.
Giant - Many crews have a giant, could luffy find one? or could we see the return of weakyoshi with full control of her power?
Cannoneer/Grenadier - someone who uses explosives? often there was a gunpowder expert on board ship, since Usopp is all plants now, this could be open.
Scout - maybe someone with exceptional vision, and perhaps super speed but not as strong?
Spy - An expert in camouflage and gaining information in sneaky ways
Tailor - perhaps silly, but someone who works on clothes/sails etc would be unique, and give the crew free costume changes and probably some good chances for humor as well.
You can take the time to shoot them all down if you want, I probably won't care to answer though, but I'm interested to see what other people might come up with. What other roles are left?
Cannoneer - Uses long range artillery... sounds like Usopp
Scout - Able to see long distance... like a sniper... sounds like Usopp
Spy - Sneaky and expert in hiding... sounds like Usopp
Tailor - Able to mend a sail.. maybe the guy who sew up the pirate flag Luffy uses... sounds like Usopp
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why do i like one piece despite it being (what some might say) obnoxiously big?
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Robin was really cute this chapter 
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On March 08 2012 12:14 LaughingTulkas wrote:
So I'm going to ignore Forikorder (who's either just dumb or a troll) and go back to the theorycrafting, what roles are left to fill?
Lets sum up what we have
Captain - Luffy
1. First Mate - Zoro
2. Navigator - Nami
3. Sniper - Usopp
4. Cook - Sanji
5. Doctor - Chopper
6. Archeologist - Robin
7. Shipwright - Franky
8. Musician - Brook
In chapter one Luffy says he wants 10 people to join him, so we have at the very least two more roles to fill. I can't imagine Oda would forget what Luffy says in chapter 1. So what other roles are there?
Fishman - Jinbe
But that leaves at least one more. Some posibilites, some are dumb, some are possible, just trying to brainstorm roles on a ship as well as fighting techniques.
Giant - Many crews have a giant, could luffy find one? or could we see the return of weakyoshi with full control of her power?
Cannoneer/Grenadier - someone who uses explosives? often there was a gunpowder expert on board ship, since Usopp is all plants now, this could be open.
Scout - maybe someone with exceptional vision, and perhaps super speed but not as strong?
Spy - An expert in camouflage and gaining information in sneaky ways
Tailor - perhaps silly, but someone who works on clothes/sails etc would be unique, and give the crew free costume changes and probably some good chances for humor as well.
You can take the time to shoot them all down if you want, I probably won't care to answer though, but I'm interested to see what other people might come up with. What other roles are left?
I was thinking that weakoshi would eat a devil fruit, assume a normal enough size to travel with the SH on their boat and thus lend power to SH with the ability to traverse across the calm belt with her ability to control the sea kings, not to mention having one of the ancient weapons in the possession of the SH pirates would garner them enormous fame among the pirates and acquire a large bounty,
Just like Gol.D.Roger, the SH crew have to set themselves apart from the Yonkou and all the other top pirate crews. They need to stand out as the strongest...
Also, I think we will see the last (10th) person being invited to the crew in the next ~300 chapters.
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Well, Archaeologist is not exactly a normal position on a pirate ship anyway. There are lots of random things that could fit the One Piece world. Like Artist/Photographer, Blacksmith, Ambassador...who knows with One Piece.
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On March 08 2012 13:26 KevinIX wrote:
Well, Archaeologist is not exactly a normal position on a pirate ship anyway. There are lots of random things that could fit the One Piece world. Like Artist/Photographer, Blacksmith, Ambassador...who knows with One Piece.
She fits for the story, she explains the true history, something that gold D roger also knew. Else we wouldn't have poneglyph, again like i said all the samurai can do is be a reason for luffy and his crew to go to wano country.
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On March 08 2012 12:14 LaughingTulkas wrote:
So I'm going to ignore Forikorder (who's either just dumb or a troll) and go back to the theorycrafting, what roles are left to fill?
Lets sum up what we have
Captain - Luffy
1. First Mate - Zoro
2. Navigator - Nami
3. Sniper - Usopp
4. Cook - Sanji
5. Doctor - Chopper
6. Archeologist - Robin
7. Shipwright - Franky
8. Musician - Brook
In chapter one Luffy says he wants 10 people to join him, so we have at the very least two more roles to fill. I can't imagine Oda would forget what Luffy says in chapter 1. So what other roles are there?
Fishman - Jinbe
But that leaves at least one more. Some posibilites, some are dumb, some are possible, just trying to brainstorm roles on a ship as well as fighting techniques.
Giant - Many crews have a giant, could luffy find one? or could we see the return of weakyoshi with full control of her power?
Cannoneer/Grenadier - someone who uses explosives? often there was a gunpowder expert on board ship, since Usopp is all plants now, this could be open.
Scout - maybe someone with exceptional vision, and perhaps super speed but not as strong?
Spy - An expert in camouflage and gaining information in sneaky ways
Tailor - perhaps silly, but someone who works on clothes/sails etc would be unique, and give the crew free costume changes and probably some good chances for humor as well.
You can take the time to shoot them all down if you want, I probably won't care to answer though, but I'm interested to see what other people might come up with. What other roles are left?
Franky's a giant mecha robot... I think Cannoneer/ Grenadier is taken. What the Strawhat Crew needs now is a Logia user
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