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On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique.
Eh, there may be ass pulls, but there is definitely logical 500+ chapter payoffs.
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On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique.
pretty much. There is no hard defined rule in one piece where characters must abide by that rule. (maybe aside from DF users drowning in sea water) so Oda can relentlessly just throw in some random ass shit to cover his weak writing. After what he did to the concept of devil fruit in Whole cake island, it kinda left me disgusted that one piece has turned into a weak manga. For instance, I can make something like water melon water melon fruit where the seed is like stronger than diamond as it fits my story. I can make a tiger tiger devil fruit and say I can fly because it just CAN!! It kinda became ridiculous, but we're all in this to see what he had in mind for the final part of the journey and I think most of us here agree with that. It's a kid's show at the end of the day haha
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LMAO, What did Whole Cake Isle do to you?
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On March 15 2022 12:47 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2022 08:50 Sentenal wrote:On March 14 2022 10:32 evilfatsh1t wrote:
the argument that supports his fruit being a zoan is that his gears are transformations.
theyre not "animal-like" for sure, but you cant deny that they are definitely transformations to his actual body and they enhance his powers.
Forgive the pun, but thats still way too much of a stretch for me. Luffy stretching is a "transformation" of his body in the same vein as Robin growing hands out of her body is. Gear 2nd and 3rd aren't even transformations, they are just applications of his ability. honestly gear 2 and 3 being the result of his manipulation of rubber is just as weak. its the conclusion we've all come to because its been so long since we've seen the gears and its just how its been, but that doesnt really mean the gears made much sense to begin with. you had to give oda a lot of creative freedom to allow for a rubber man to create gears 2-4 and i would say the same amount of creative freedom could be given to say that the gears are actually just zoan transformations.
Rubber still makes more sense than the Zoan theory for 2 and 3, though. For it to be Zoan, you just have to assume a lot of Zoan conventions don't apply to him, since we've never seen anything indicating Half-Beast or Full-Beast out of him. Gear 2 is Luffy pumping his blood faster because rubber being bouncy, and Gear 3 is Luffy inflating his bones (and inflating is time-honored luffy tradition). Why one of those results in speed and the other results in power, thats the power of manga, but its not exactly a weak explanation in the context of OP
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On March 16 2022 08:38 cLutZ wrote:
LMAO, What did Whole Cake Isle do to you?
biscuit biscuit fruit, mochi mochi fruit, candy fruit. All seemed like a bullshit fruit and also relentless dragging with "WEDDDING CAKE" and realizing oda is never gonna give us tense moment. Everyone got out fine except pedro but who gives a shit about pedro lol. I'm sure no one felt sad about it.
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On March 16 2022 09:56 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2022 08:38 cLutZ wrote:
LMAO, What did Whole Cake Isle do to you? biscuit biscuit fruit, mochi mochi fruit, candy fruit. All seemed like a bullshit fruit and also relentless dragging with "WEDDDING CAKE" and realizing oda is never gonna give us tense moment. Everyone got out fine except pedro but who gives a shit about pedro lol. I'm sure no one felt sad about it.
The fruit madness really started with Dressrossa. Jacket fruit, flag fruit, hobbie fruit, art fruit, snot fruit. Fruits are part of the story, even stupid ones.
Some might say, especially stupid ones. Luffy is rubber b/c oda thought it would be fun to draw.
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Just hope luffy's fruit stays to the rubber theme. And based on the length of one piece, the writing is just fine.
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On March 16 2022 07:02 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique. Eh, there may be ass pulls, but there is definitely logical 500+ chapter payoffs.
Readers are rewarded by keen observation of small details and theorizing about the series, that's another dimension what makes the manga so damn interesting.
Personally I'm just voicing my gripes at what directions I don't like for the series to go towards. I have very high hopes for One Piece as the story is way more nuanced and thought over compared to Naruto and Bleach. And in the end, isn't this what fan discussions are basically about?
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On March 17 2022 01:38 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2022 07:02 lestye wrote:On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique. Eh, there may be ass pulls, but there is definitely logical 500+ chapter payoffs. Readers are rewarded by keen observation of small details and theorizing about the series, that's another dimension what makes the manga so damn interesting. Personally I'm just voicing my gripes at what directions I don't like for the series to go towards. I have very high hopes for One Piece as the story is way more nuanced and thought over compared to Naruto and Bleach. And in the end, isn't this what fan discussions are basically about?
A great 200+ chapter payoff is devil fruit awakening, if we're counting from when Doffy first used it. If you count all the way back from Impel Down, it's easily 500+. We all knew that Luffy would eventually awaken his fruit and the fanbase has been incessantly speculating on it for years.
The Gomu being some kind of special legendary fruit? Zero indication of that anywhere. It feels like an asspull because for the first thousand chapters of the manga Luffy has had a random devil fruit that no one cared about except for characters in the East Blue that have never seen devil fruits before or Burgess who for some reason wanted Luffy's devil fruit bad enough to want to kill him.
While it's fun theorizing on what the new fruit is / does, I'm 100% with the anti-legendary fruit crowd since it's not only a huge asspull, but it also recontextualizes the rest of the series as just some chosen one narrative instead of a fun story about some kid who wants to be a pirate.
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On March 16 2022 09:56 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2022 08:38 cLutZ wrote:
LMAO, What did Whole Cake Isle do to you? biscuit biscuit fruit, mochi mochi fruit, candy fruit. All seemed like a bullshit fruit and also relentless dragging with "WEDDDING CAKE" and realizing oda is never gonna give us tense moment. Everyone got out fine except pedro but who gives a shit about pedro lol. I'm sure no one felt sad about it.
Theres still time for Pedro to show up alive
“Hey carrot i showed up on zunesha’s back because I just went home to the mink hospital after I blew up. How’s it going?” - Pedro chapter 1094
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On March 17 2022 07:12 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2022 09:56 Shinokuki wrote:On March 16 2022 08:38 cLutZ wrote:
LMAO, What did Whole Cake Isle do to you? biscuit biscuit fruit, mochi mochi fruit, candy fruit. All seemed like a bullshit fruit and also relentless dragging with "WEDDDING CAKE" and realizing oda is never gonna give us tense moment. Everyone got out fine except pedro but who gives a shit about pedro lol. I'm sure no one felt sad about it. Theres still time for Pedro to show up alive “Hey carrot i showed up on zunesha’s back because I just went home to the mink hospital after I blew up. How’s it going?” - Pedro chapter 1094
Didn't Pele also survive an explosion during the Alabasta arc? The falcon dude, not sure if he was called Pele or not...
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Yeah and Pell's bomb was supposed to level an entire city. 1000x stronger than pedro's explosion and Pell was weak af relative to Pedro
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On March 17 2022 05:24 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2022 01:38 herMan wrote:On March 16 2022 07:02 lestye wrote:On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique. Eh, there may be ass pulls, but there is definitely logical 500+ chapter payoffs. Readers are rewarded by keen observation of small details and theorizing about the series, that's another dimension what makes the manga so damn interesting. Personally I'm just voicing my gripes at what directions I don't like for the series to go towards. I have very high hopes for One Piece as the story is way more nuanced and thought over compared to Naruto and Bleach. And in the end, isn't this what fan discussions are basically about? A great 200+ chapter payoff is devil fruit awakening, if we're counting from when Doffy first used it. If you count all the way back from Impel Down, it's easily 500+. We all knew that Luffy would eventually awaken his fruit and the fanbase has been incessantly speculating on it for years. The Gomu being some kind of special legendary fruit? Zero indication of that anywhere. It feels like an asspull because for the first thousand chapters of the manga Luffy has had a random devil fruit that no one cared about except for characters in the East Blue that have never seen devil fruits before or Burgess who for some reason wanted Luffy's devil fruit bad enough to want to kill him. While it's fun theorizing on what the new fruit is / does, I'm 100% with the anti-legendary fruit crowd since it's not only a huge asspull, but it also recontextualizes the rest of the series as just some chosen one narrative instead of a fun story about some kid who wants to be a pirate.
Yeah not a fan of the "legendary fruit" angle for luffy either. It kinda disrespects the aspect that Luffy is special because of him not because of some fruit he ate
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I buy that one way more than the Zoan Fruit theory. It even makes me disbelieve the Zoan Fruit theory even moreso because I completely forgot about Luffy's fruit being an insulator
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On March 17 2022 05:24 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2022 01:38 herMan wrote:On March 16 2022 07:02 lestye wrote:On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique. Eh, there may be ass pulls, but there is definitely logical 500+ chapter payoffs. Readers are rewarded by keen observation of small details and theorizing about the series, that's another dimension what makes the manga so damn interesting. Personally I'm just voicing my gripes at what directions I don't like for the series to go towards. I have very high hopes for One Piece as the story is way more nuanced and thought over compared to Naruto and Bleach. And in the end, isn't this what fan discussions are basically about? A great 200+ chapter payoff is devil fruit awakening, if we're counting from when Doffy first used it. If you count all the way back from Impel Down, it's easily 500+. We all knew that Luffy would eventually awaken his fruit and the fanbase has been incessantly speculating on it for years. The Gomu being some kind of special legendary fruit? Zero indication of that anywhere. It feels like an asspull because for the first thousand chapters of the manga Luffy has had a random devil fruit that no one cared about except for characters in the East Blue that have never seen devil fruits before or Burgess who for some reason wanted Luffy's devil fruit bad enough to want to kill him. While it's fun theorizing on what the new fruit is / does, I'm 100% with the anti-legendary fruit crowd since it's not only a huge asspull, but it also recontextualizes the rest of the series as just some chosen one narrative instead of a fun story about some kid who wants to be a pirate.
Hasn't that been a thing for a while that Luffy's fruit might be special? Or at least was held by someone special previously (Joy Boy I guess) so they made extra care with it? Plus Shanks caring about it isn't no bodies in the East Blue, thats an Emperor. There were signals when you find out Shanks stole the fruit from the marines and that it was a big deal they lost it. The fruit itself doesn't need to be extra special OP, it could be just that its previous user was such a nuisance that they designated the fruit to be monitored and obscured because the WG sure does love a coverup.
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On March 18 2022 14:04 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2022 05:24 Hyperbola wrote:On March 17 2022 01:38 herMan wrote:On March 16 2022 07:02 lestye wrote:On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique. Eh, there may be ass pulls, but there is definitely logical 500+ chapter payoffs. Readers are rewarded by keen observation of small details and theorizing about the series, that's another dimension what makes the manga so damn interesting. Personally I'm just voicing my gripes at what directions I don't like for the series to go towards. I have very high hopes for One Piece as the story is way more nuanced and thought over compared to Naruto and Bleach. And in the end, isn't this what fan discussions are basically about? A great 200+ chapter payoff is devil fruit awakening, if we're counting from when Doffy first used it. If you count all the way back from Impel Down, it's easily 500+. We all knew that Luffy would eventually awaken his fruit and the fanbase has been incessantly speculating on it for years. The Gomu being some kind of special legendary fruit? Zero indication of that anywhere. It feels like an asspull because for the first thousand chapters of the manga Luffy has had a random devil fruit that no one cared about except for characters in the East Blue that have never seen devil fruits before or Burgess who for some reason wanted Luffy's devil fruit bad enough to want to kill him. While it's fun theorizing on what the new fruit is / does, I'm 100% with the anti-legendary fruit crowd since it's not only a huge asspull, but it also recontextualizes the rest of the series as just some chosen one narrative instead of a fun story about some kid who wants to be a pirate. Hasn't that been a thing for a while that Luffy's fruit might be special? Or at least was held by someone special previously (Joy Boy I guess) so they made extra care with it? Plus Shanks caring about it isn't no bodies in the East Blue, thats an Emperor. There were signals when you find out Shanks stole the fruit from the marines and that it was a big deal they lost it. The fruit itself doesn't need to be extra special OP, it could be just that its previous user was such a nuisance that they designated the fruit to be monitored and obscured because the WG sure does love a coverup.
Nope, it was only revealed that shanks stole the devil fruit during the Who's Who fight like 20 chapters ago. The devil fruit was also not considered special in the prologue by any means beyond it being just a devil fruit. The crew was freaking out that Luffy ate it and can't swim anymore, not that he accidentally ate the Joy Boy chosen one fruit that made him Jesus.
Shanks was also most likely not a Yonko back in East Blue since no one knew who he was and it was quite a long time ago, more than enough time for him to become an emperor. For comparison, Luffy went from nobody to challenging Kaido in like 2.5 years.
No matter how you look at it, the Gomu fruit being special in any way is a retcon by Oda.
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shanks was not a nobody when he met luffy in east blue. he was already very well known, hence wb's surprise when he returned without an arm.
and i wouldnt go as far as saying luffy's fruit being special now is a retcon. oda very obviously planned his story out, and with the exception of shanks' arm there isnt much in the story that oda hasnt planned for.
you only have to look at virtually every theory out there about anything that shows oda leaves hints throughout his whole story telling process. some of the hints are completely outrageous by the way, and it only highlights how meticulously well thought out oda's storytelling actually is.
luffy's fruit has been seemingly average until wano and only now are we realising that theres a secret behind it, but i wouldnt go as far as saying its a complete asspull by oda to change luffy's fruit entirely. the fact that he chose rubber for luffy's fruit at the beginning of the story was curious enough that it only makes sense now there was a reason oda chose rubber, instead of literally a billion other possibilities.
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On March 16 2022 07:02 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2022 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
One Piece has always been in the realm of make shit up and never ending asspulls. It's just that it is not so obvious, the journey is nice, and there seems to be a significantly loud minority of people who seem to have a need to make out that One Piece is some sort of sophisticated MasterPiece of worldbuilding and literary technique. Eh, there may be ass pulls, but there is definitely logical 500+ chapter payoffs. Did I say there are no "payoffs" whatever that even means?
This is probably a good example of what I am talking about. Linking past events with current events is nothing novel, it is the basis of consistent world building. It is simply what happens when a writer has a plot. No-one thinks that Harry potters scar + Show Spoiler +to being key to the defeat of Voldemort
Anyhow it seems strange that the world government ordered CP0 to essentailly casue the defeat of Luffy which seems to have brought back a "Joyboy". World Government wants to bring back Joyboy? Not sure Pedro is actually dead, even though they made a grave and funeral and everything. Until they actually bury a body or make like 5 chapters dedicated with dealing with the death of a character, no-one can be assumed dead in One Piece.
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