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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
What can you really do as Kaido, defeating the guy just ends up in his resurrection. Too bad you're not the main character  It would be a bit absurd if Luffy somehow was dead and was taken over by some other being. For the main character to lose his agency somehow is almost equal to him being dead. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8928 Posts
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lestye
United States4243 Posts
On March 12 2022 17:05 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah i dont like the idea of luffy being possessed by some other spirit. i also dont like luffy's awakening or whatever being unlocked upon death. Yeah….. my friend suggested that the title of Joy Boy could be something like mantling in TES, which I would love. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
If this theory is correct (it's not really my theory) then I think Luffy's resurrection isn't an asspull. + Show Spoiler + I've been reading up on theories. This is the first time I've ever done so so fervently but here's what I think: I think Luffy's fruit is not Paramecia rubber, but a mythical zoan. Monkey King Fruit, something of the sort. That kind of fruit, and its subsequent awakening, would be what I would regard as a reasonable ass pull. Whatever the actual abilities of the fruit and the relation to Joyboy, if Luffy's fruit isn't actually the gomu gomu then I could see it being something else that has resurrection properties. Chapter 1014: Kaido queries the specific name of Luffy's fruit and laughs. Chapter 1037: The 5 elders specifically mention the name of a fruit was unique and misleading. The world gov gave this fruit a unique name. "It hasn't awakened for centuries" Chapter 1017: Shanks stole Luffy's fruit from a government ship. It was a serious deal and that's why whoswhos was thrown into prison. Another note: Blackbeard's specific interest in Luffy's fruit that was mentioned in Dressrosa I think. Another other note: Doflamingo wondering "can rubber even do this?" in his fight against luffy The relationship between Joyboy and the fruit, I'm not sure of, or if there is even one at all. I'd think that there isn't. But i think Luffy won't die and I think it's his unnamed fruit that will save him. Why stretchy? Well Sun Wukong would be the inspiration of this "monkey king" fruit and this monkey from asian mythology (I believe Chinese) had a staff that could extend at will. Just like Luffy. Good video on it (shit thumbnail tho): | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8928 Posts
theyre not "animal-like" for sure, but you cant deny that they are definitely transformations to his actual body and they enhance his powers. | ||
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lestye
United States4243 Posts
On March 14 2022 10:32 evilfatsh1t wrote: the argument that he supports his fruit being a zoan is that his gears are transformations. theyre not "animal-like" for sure, but you cant deny that they are definitely transformations to his actual body and they enhance his powers. Yeah not animal like but animal shaped.... plus with the whole animal training with Rayleigh during the timeskip. It's a cool theory but I am not persuaded. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Latham
9592 Posts
I feel like making Luffy have the monkey king fruit would really cheapen the whole character and story. Yes Monkey King = Cool, but do you really need to tie it into every eastern story? Oda I feel doesn't have to rely on a crutch such as MK to make a good story, just like he doesn't need bodily possession or reincarnation in the story to give Luffy plot armor, because the whole story is about inheriting wills and dreams of the past generations without having to literally become them. Both Donflamingo and Kaido had doubts if its truly the Rubber Fruit and note that rubber shouldn't be able to change shape and direction this freely and on a whim. It is either gear 5 or awakening. Maybe the only other person who has ever awakened Gomu Gomu no Mi was Joyboy 800 years ago? IDK. There's also a theory floating around that Imu has a power like Kaguya from Naruto and her devil fruit is like Aizen's Kyōka Suigetsu, so she effectively erased a whole century from the memories of all the people who lived at that time... using the reflection of the moon. It's one thing to put in a gag order and make your police force enforce it, it's a whole 'nother ball game making every living pleb forget 100 years of history... that takes some serious power. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Im betting the "drum" aspect is just Luffy's heart restarting while hes awakening. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
On March 14 2022 15:07 Zambrah wrote: I’m gonna say it’s Hisoka style and his rubber heart restarted by virtue of having the properties of both rubber and gum:tm: I keep thinking of Hisoka since awakening Luffy has become a topic | ||
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lestye
United States4243 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 14 2022 10:32 evilfatsh1t wrote: the argument that supports his fruit being a zoan is that his gears are transformations. theyre not "animal-like" for sure, but you cant deny that they are definitely transformations to his actual body and they enhance his powers. Forgive the pun, but thats still way too much of a stretch for me. Luffy stretching is a "transformation" of his body in the same vein as Robin growing hands out of her body is. Gear 2nd and 3rd aren't even transformations, they are just applications of his ability. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8928 Posts
On March 15 2022 08:50 Sentenal wrote: Forgive the pun, but thats still way too much of a stretch for me. Luffy stretching is a "transformation" of his body in the same vein as Robin growing hands out of her body is. Gear 2nd and 3rd aren't even transformations, they are just applications of his ability. honestly gear 2 and 3 being the result of his manipulation of rubber is just as weak. its the conclusion we've all come to because its been so long since we've seen the gears and its just how its been, but that doesnt really mean the gears made much sense to begin with. you had to give oda a lot of creative freedom to allow for a rubber man to create gears 2-4 and i would say the same amount of creative freedom could be given to say that the gears are actually just zoan transformations. | ||
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
I'd say gear two and three can be somehow waved off as manipulating rubber capabilities, but the rest really stop making any sense. Oda has addressed this via Doffy etc., and you can either conclude that it's him simply acknowledging the weirdness or hinting at some unknown info how the fruit works. It's still a disappointing if Luffy has some very special bonkers fruit rather than a pretty mundane fruit that creativity can really leverage to another level. If so, I find it hard to come up with any other advantage that the MC could have relative to your average OP world peasant... prior to the start of the series. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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