EPTDon't see why Luffy couldn't have had a regular fruit awakening instead of this
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Also not excited at all, not least because the art style of it is awful. There are two massive heavyweights fighting in a clash for the fate of thousands of people and it's drawn like a silly children's cartoon. Really undermines an arc that's actually been pretty dark. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
1044 was a great chapter | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On March 25 2022 17:23 Olli wrote: + Show Spoiler + Also not excited at all, not least because the art style of it is awful. There are two massive heavyweights fighting in a clash for the fate of thousands of people and it's drawn like a silly children's cartoon. Really undermines an arc that's actually been pretty dark. + Show Spoiler + Isn't the whole point of "joy boy" (and OP) that even under the darkest of circumstances it radiates some childish naivite and optimism and a certain careless freedom? I think the drawing (which is I think really just an homage to Tezuka and/or shin-chan) underlines that well. But I might be biased, I like weird animation styles mixing more realistic with western cartoon and freeform drawing, like panty & stocking, ttgl/klk, little witch academia Oda has always used drawing styles to emphasise certain things, and does here to good extent here as well. The "twist" of the fruit is much worse in my opinion | ||
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Latham
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
Also shouldn't the government know luffys power like way way earlier like at the very least from alabasta and onward, then they coulda just sent some admiral to kill him or whatever if the fruit is so special. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On March 25 2022 18:32 PVJ wrote: + Show Spoiler + Isn't the whole point of "joy boy" (and OP) that even under the darkest of circumstances it radiates some childish naivite and optimism and a certain careless freedom? I think the drawing (which is I think really just an homage to Tezuka and/or shin-chan) underlines that well. But I might be biased, I like weird animation styles mixing more realistic with western cartoon and freeform drawing, like panty & stocking, ttgl/klk, little witch academia Oda has always used drawing styles to emphasise certain things, and does here to good extent here as well. The "twist" of the fruit is much worse in my opinion + Show Spoiler + Yes and no. There have always been silly elements, but never in the decisive moments. No important battle was decided by something over the top silly, because OP knew when to pick its moments — quite the opposite actually. Think about all of Luffy's boss battles and you'll find that most of them are actually pretty gritty. Don Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, the whole Marineford arc, Doflamingo, Katakuri - all these were intense, fierce, bloody battles and drawn that way, and all of them were resolved violently and seriously. To break with it now is especially out of place here. Luffy even got angry at Kaido for getting drunk and supposedly not fighting seriously only a few chapters ago, now he's as silly as it gets himself. And since this is now Luffy's ultimate ability, every important fight he's in from now on will look silly. The twist of the fruit and what it means for Oda's storytelling is bad too, no doubt about it. But it's been pointed out before, so I focused on something else. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
Not to mention all of the plot holes this opens with the Gorosei never trying to kill luffy with their top agents as soon as he got the Gomu fruit. Even if the fruit hasn't awoken in centuries, clearly they wanted to get their hands on it, so why not go and kill Luffy so they can get it? They had ample time to do it during Enis Lobby and Marineford. And now Luffy is a Zoan? That's gotta be the worst possible part of all this. I mean if Oda really wanted to change the name of the fruit, could he have made it another paramecia like the Toon Toon no mi? Why make it a mythical Zoan? Because now the fruit makes no sense since Zoan are supposed to have on / off / hybrid modes. So this "Zoan" basically had luffy in hybrid mode the whole time or something? Then why does it take an awakening for Luffy to fully transform? That's literally not the case for every other Zoan fruit. I feel really cheated after reading this series for so long. I hope Oda can turn this around but now I'm starting to lose faith in his "reveals". I used to be excited for the reveal of the will of D or One Piece but now I'm not so sure. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
Luffy was the greatest of the main characters (of former big 3 mangas) because he had such a ridicilous fruit and made it work. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8928 Posts
im also in agreement that the gorosei saying now that luffy had to be killed because his fruit was problematic is really weak storytelling. you could argue that the instruction to kill luffy was first given when im-sama was introduced and gorosei sought instructions on whose 'light' to erase, but even so luffy should have been killed as soon as he started receiving bounties if his fruit was such a problem. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8928 Posts
as for why the decision came so late, well maybe reporting facts about individuals isnt a big thing within the wg and the gorosei actually first found out after marineford? it wouldnt matter that information about luffy and his fruit circulated within the navy; the information would have to reach the very top for it to matter because only the gorosei knows about the fruit's true identity. before marineford luffy is arguably still too small of a fish for the gorosei to give a fuck. after marineford luffy is missing for 2 years, and seeing as how the general timeline of op arcs go extremely quick in one piece time, hes briefly in punk hazard, dressrosa and whole cake island before wano. maybe even if the gorosei took steps to locate luffy as soon as they found out, the quickest they could actually reach him just happened to be at wano. overall plausible theory imo, but flimsy. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8928 Posts
its not the goroseis job to keep tabs on every pirate on the grand line. could be that luffy having the gomu gomu no mi only came to their attention after a large event like marineford. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Let alone the vile asininity of completing butchering established fruit categories by having a Zoan with no transformations and an always-on-body-altering effect. God help me, thinking about this chapter just makes me completely flabbergasted and amazed at the decision making. Oda, I thought you were better than this. | ||
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Archeon
3273 Posts
On March 25 2022 18:47 Olli wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yes and no. There have always been silly elements, but never in the decisive moments. No important battle was decided by something over the top silly, because OP knew when to pick its moments — quite the opposite actually. Think about all of Luffy's boss battles and you'll find that most of them are actually pretty gritty. Don Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, the whole Marineford arc, Doflamingo, Katakuri - all these were intense, fierce, bloody battles and drawn that way, and all of them were resolved violently and seriously. To break with it now is especially out of place here. Luffy even got angry at Kaido for getting drunk and supposedly not fighting seriously only a few chapters ago, now he's as silly as it gets himself. And since this is now Luffy's ultimate ability, every important fight he's in from now on will look silly. The twist of the fruit and what it means for Oda's storytelling is bad too, no doubt about it. But it's been pointed out before, so I focused on something else. As someone who reread a lot of these battles somewhat recently that isn't exactly true. Don Krieg was mostly a joke fight, Arlong had Luffy put Arlong's teeth in and bite him with it, Wapol was a joke fight, the fight against Moria was intentionally ridiculous start to finish. OP got a lot more serious later on probably beginning with the grand line but still had very light elements in a lot of major fights basically until Marineford. But I think a lot of people are forgetting that it basically started out as a gag manga with shonen elements and stayed true to that for a long time. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
Neither goofyness nor art style bothers me the least, its actually super One Piece but the fruit.... | ||
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