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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I don't really understand this movie. I think it could have been amazing if it were more focused but the movie was trying not to have one focused storyline. I don't know if I understand the common theme. + Show Spoiler + Like the future one was about how the individual is important and there is a human element to everything. But they also introduced a theme that no one had any freedom, that from birth they are reliant on others and not free from them. The racism story was about a white man starting to learn that blacks are people like them and that there was no justification for some people to be born and punished for their entire lives. Then they added the theme at the end that even if an individual's impact on the world is small as to be a droplet in an Ocean, an Ocean is just a collection of droplets. The superstitions tribal story didn't seem to have a theme for me. People died in raids in the past and a futuristic society crash landed and breeded with them? The 70s crime scene story seemed to be a mystery movie about uncovering a political plot that would change the face of US energy. The music story seemed to just be about some old kook trying to bum work off his apprentice. I think the movie had great scenes and it probably took a lot of talent to make 5 movies fit into one, and to tell 5 stories in such a short time span, but they didn't need to do it like this. They should have just shown the direct impact of one person's decision on the life of another. It seemed like a movie designed to fish for Oscars rather than to be thought provoking. There was also no need to give a character in each story a birthmark. Is the director an otherkin believer? | ||
Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On May 16 2014 06:47 obesechicken13 wrote: Cloud Atlas I don't really understand this movie. I think it could have been amazing if it were more focused but the movie was trying not to have one focused storyline. I don't know if I understand the common theme. + Show Spoiler + Like the future one was about how the individual is important and there is a human element to everything. But they also introduced a theme that no one had any freedom, that from birth they are reliant on others and not free from them. The racism story was about a white man starting to learn that blacks are people like them and that there was no justification for some people to be born and punished for their entire lives. Then they added the theme at the end that even if an individual's impact on the world is small as to be a droplet in an Ocean, an Ocean is just a collection of droplets. The superstitions tribal story didn't seem to have a theme for me. People died in raids in the past and a futuristic society crash landed and breeded with them? The 70s crime scene story seemed to be a mystery movie about uncovering a political plot that would change the face of US energy. The music story seemed to just be about some old kook trying to bum work off his apprentice. I think the movie had great scenes and it probably took a lot of talent to make 5 movies fit into one, and to tell 5 stories in such a short time span, but they didn't need to do it like this. They should have just shown the direct impact of one person's decision on the life of another. It seemed like a movie designed to fish for Oscars rather than to be thought provoking. There was also no need to give a character in each story a birthmark. Is the director an otherkin believer? You obviously didn't understand the movie from your explanations. Author believes in multiple lives yes, hence the birthmark "marking" the same life throughout the hundreds/thousands of years. Depending on what people did in 1 life they either got a better standing in the next or they moved down and had it worse. The slaves in the earliest storyline had no rights at all and by the very ending storyline that was farthest in the future, they were all that was left and had everything. The tribal story actually took place farthest in the future and everyone on the giant flying ship was black. Everyone in the crappy tribe trying to survive radiation poisoning while avoiding being eaten alive was white. It's a movie you need to watch several times to pick up on everything and to fully understand things. | ||
deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
It's a mediocre Seth Rogan comedy. If you thought the trailer was hilarious, that plus a whole bunch of dildo and dick jokes is all that's left. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On May 16 2014 06:53 Zooper31 wrote: You obviously didn't understand the movie from your explanations. Author believes in multiple lives yes, hence the birthmark "marking" the same life throughout the hundreds/thousands of years. Depending on what people did in 1 life they either got a better standing in the next or they moved down and had it worse. The slaves in the earliest storyline had no rights at all and by the very ending storyline that was farthest in the future, they were all that was left and had everything. The tribal story actually took place farthest in the future and everyone on the giant flying ship was black. Everyone in the crappy tribe trying to survive radiation poisoning while avoiding being eaten alive was white. It's a movie you need to watch several times to pick up on everything and to fully understand things. + Show Spoiler + So the author does believe in past lives. That makes the birthmark thing make more sense. I don't believe in other lives but it makes the movie better for people with a different set of beliefs. I don't think there's any indication that the black slaves from the first story line were reincarnated as the black people from the last storyline. The character with the key birthmark were always good and usually very privileged. But still one of them ended up being bred just to be a restaurant waitress. What did she do in a past life to justify that? Another thing that bothered me was how cloned people were used as food. That's been done in other works like "A Modest Proposal". There's another book that started with a stillborn baby being recycled for their potassium, can't remember the name. Usually it's only done as satire or because of overpopulation. The movie said that the recycled people were a cheap source of protein. That makes no sense and broke my suspension of disbelief. People are expensive to feed as they take a while to reach maturity and are usually not feeding on just vegetation so they're tier 2 animals. The sea levels seemed a bit too high too. Like where did the water all come from to flood up to the height of Seoul's present day skyscrapers? The ice caps? | ||
Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On May 16 2014 07:12 obesechicken13 wrote: + Show Spoiler + So the author does believe in past lives. That makes the birthmark thing make more sense. I don't believe in other lives but it makes the movie better for people with a different set of beliefs. I don't think there's any indication that the black slaves from the first story line were reincarnated as the black people from the last storyline. The character with the key birthmark were always good and usually very privileged. But still one of them ended up being bred just to be a restaurant waitress. What did she do in a past life to justify that? Another thing that bothered me was how cloned people were used as food. That's been done in other works like "A Modest Proposal". There's another book that started with a stillborn baby being recycled for their potassium, can't remember the name. The movie said that the recycled people were a cheap source of protein. That makes no sense and broke my suspension of disbelief. People are expensive to feed as they take a while to reach maturity and are usually not feeding on just vegetation so they're tier 2 animals. The sea levels seemed a bit too high too. Like where did the water all come from to flood up to the height of Seoul's present day skyscrapers? The ice caps? You don't have to have the same set of beliefs to enjoy a movie, unless you have an active opinion on the matter and want to disagree with people who do. I'm not Jewish or Islamic but I could still enjoy a movie with those beliefs if it was good in it's own regard. Movie was based on a book by the same name and the thing about black slaves getting what they deserved is absolutely true. It's also too front and center to be ignored as simple coincidence. They also shared the same actors, the black butler guy in good clothing was on the ship as was the reporter and a couple other no-names. The movie didn't show every single life in the chain, just certain ones. Don't think of the waitress as being punished as being a cloned waitress, think of her as being privileged to change the entire way a world thinks and bring about a revolution for the betterment of the world. Can't remember if water levels were explained in the movie but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with global warming essentially. You feed clones to clones. You don't feed clones to normal people and you also don't raise them for the sole purpose of being food. You raise them to do manual labor and when they reach a certain point it's more cost effective to chop them up and make them food then to continue using them as labor. Imagine if a cow could also walk around and work at fast food restaurants etc and then when it became prime beef, it went to the slaughterhouse and another cow took it's place. It's essentially a closed loop with not much else needed to support it. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On May 16 2014 08:07 Zooper31 wrote: You don't have to have the same set of beliefs to enjoy a movie, unless you have an active opinion on the matter and want to disagree with people who do. I'm not Jewish or Islamic but I could still enjoy a movie with those beliefs if it was good in it's own regard. Movie was based on a book by the same name and the thing about black slaves getting what they deserved is absolutely true. It's also too front and center to be ignored as simple coincidence. They also shared the same actors, the black butler guy in good clothing was on the ship as was the reporter and a couple other no-names. The movie didn't show every single life in the chain, just certain ones. Don't think of the waitress as being punished as being a cloned waitress, think of her as being privileged to change the entire way a world thinks and bring about a revolution for the betterment of the world. Can't remember if water levels were explained in the movie but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with global warming essentially. You feed clones to clones. You don't feed clones to normal people and you also don't raise them for the sole purpose of being food. You raise them to do manual labor and when they reach a certain point it's more cost effective to chop them up and make them food then to continue using them as labor. Imagine if a cow could also walk around and work at fast food restaurants etc and then when it became prime beef, it went to the slaughterhouse and another cow took it's place. It's essentially a closed loop with not much else needed to support it. You make good points. I guess the clones don't just eat clones but only a small portion of their diet is clones. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Not as bad as people said. There was so much brutality in the movie for something that middle school students read. + Show Spoiler + Cinna gets taken away. Gale's whippings and scars are actually shown. People get impaled by spears and develop nasty bumps. I think you should enjoy it for what it was. A decent sequel. Problem was the acting was only decent. People enunciated too much. They talked not like we talk naturally but like they were in theatre. Also Katniss cried like 20 times. + Show Spoiler + Also my little brother is a doodoohead | ||
Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
![]() You dont have to be a Vietnamese (which I am) to enjoy this film. Some movies get viewers to invest themselves 100% in watching simply with their atmosphere and environment. Theres no real plot. It's just a random cut of the Asian life (during 199x time) being portrayed so real and beautifully, from people, clothes, music (Vietnamese music & surprisingly Lou Reed, Arab Strap). All you need is some patience & preferably two hours around midnight to fully enjoy this piece of art. 8.4/10 | ||
brian
United States9619 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The big bad monster starts rampaging through San Francisco and we see protagonist's wife running away from the destruction, only to have Godzilla show up on the other end of the street. She turns and runs towards a subway station on the left side of the street and the camera follows her as Godzilla and the big bad clash into each other behind her, then the door closes. We are then treated to another 10-20 minutes of talking before we finally see the monsters fight in a completely different scene. In a movie billed to be about giant monsters fighting, we get maybe 15-20 minutes total of that in a roughly 2 hour movie. The rest of it is the most boring, bog standard, cliche'd disaster movie I've ever seen with a military fetish that makes Michael Bay cream his pants. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On May 21 2014 03:36 deth2munkies wrote: Why Godzilla is horrible can be described in a single scene with very minimal spoilers but I'm tagging it anyway because people are crazy about that: + Show Spoiler + The big bad monster starts rampaging through San Francisco and we see protagonist's wife running away from the destruction, only to have Godzilla show up on the other end of the street. She turns and runs towards a subway station on the left side of the street and the camera follows her as Godzilla and the big bad clash into each other behind her, then the door closes. We are then treated to another 10-20 minutes of talking before we finally see the monsters fight in a completely different scene. In a movie billed to be about giant monsters fighting, we get maybe 15-20 minutes total of that in a roughly 2 hour movie. The rest of it is the most boring, bog standard, cliche'd disaster movie I've ever seen with a military fetish that makes Michael Bay cream his pants. I'd prefer to watch a Gamera flick any day. ![]() ![]() Much better film. | ||
ii.blitzkrieg
Canada1122 Posts
I remembered this movie being recommended in this thread some time back so I decided to check it out not really knowing what to expect. Was quite good, didn't know what was going to happen next and the way it was paced felt just right. Definitely worth a watch if you are ok with subtitles. Moneyball Most of you have probably seen it already. I liked the story and acting was decent but felt it dragged a bit towards the end. Being into sports (but not baseball) myself I found it pretty interesting. Still worth a watch if you haven't seen it yet. | ||
goody153
44122 Posts
On May 21 2014 04:02 ThomasjServo wrote: I'd prefer to watch a Gamera flick any day. ![]() ![]() Much better film. o.O i can't believe a movie like this actually exists | ||
Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On May 21 2014 03:36 deth2munkies wrote: Why Godzilla is horrible can be described in a single scene with very minimal spoilers but I'm tagging it anyway because people are crazy about that: + Show Spoiler + The big bad monster starts rampaging through San Francisco and we see protagonist's wife running away from the destruction, only to have Godzilla show up on the other end of the street. She turns and runs towards a subway station on the left side of the street and the camera follows her as Godzilla and the big bad clash into each other behind her, then the door closes. We are then treated to another 10-20 minutes of talking before we finally see the monsters fight in a completely different scene. In a movie billed to be about giant monsters fighting, we get maybe 15-20 minutes total of that in a roughly 2 hour movie. The rest of it is the most boring, bog standard, cliche'd disaster movie I've ever seen with a military fetish that makes Michael Bay cream his pants. + Show Spoiler + If all you want and care about is giant monsters fighting then guess what? Pacific Rim is the perfect movie for you. The fact that they don't drown you with monster fight scenes already makes it better then Pacific Rim and also because whats the point of having tons and tons of fight scenes throughout the movie if it isn't going to mean jack shit until the end? In Pacific Rim they just drown you in monster fights after monster fights after monster fights. There is no sense of tension when the monsters are on screen in Pacific Rim but in Godzilla there is. Because they don't drown us with Godzilla and the monsters in the movie is because each appearance they make has that much more of an impact. Also, Godzilla is not billed to be about giant monsters fighting. That is also Pacific Rim which got boring REAL fast. Godzilla is about experiencing the destruction and the horror that these monsters cause from a human perspective. You either experience the fighting from the news on the TV, on the ground, or in a helicopter flying around. As an old Godzilla fan this movie was fucking perfect for me and I understood what they were doing and why. | ||
MrMedic
Canada452 Posts
On May 16 2014 07:11 deth2munkies wrote: Neighbors It's a mediocre Seth Rogan comedy. If you thought the trailer was hilarious, that plus a whole bunch of dildo and dick jokes is all that's left. I saw it because friends wanted to see it, there was maybe a tiny bit of funny parts but not much. I wouldn't recommended it as well. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On May 21 2014 13:50 goody153 wrote: o.O i can't believe a movie like this actually exists You can find them all on youtube with funny commentary on them, search MST3k Gamera, they are brialliant. | ||
deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On May 21 2014 14:55 Disengaged wrote: + Show Spoiler + If all you want and care about is giant monsters fighting then guess what? Pacific Rim is the perfect movie for you. The fact that they don't drown you with monster fight scenes already makes it better then Pacific Rim and also because whats the point of having tons and tons of fight scenes throughout the movie if it isn't going to mean jack shit until the end? In Pacific Rim they just drown you in monster fights after monster fights after monster fights. There is no sense of tension when the monsters are on screen in Pacific Rim but in Godzilla there is. Because they don't drown us with Godzilla and the monsters in the movie is because each appearance they make has that much more of an impact. Also, Godzilla is not billed to be about giant monsters fighting. That is also Pacific Rim which got boring REAL fast. Godzilla is about experiencing the destruction and the horror that these monsters cause from a human perspective. You either experience the fighting from the news on the TV, on the ground, or in a helicopter flying around. As an old Godzilla fan this movie was fucking perfect for me and I understood what they were doing and why. The movie you're describing is indeed a good one, but not the movie that was actually on the screen. The human part was just a checklist of action/disaster movie cliches without any of the characters being interesting (except maybe the Japanese Professor who seemed to exist as the only person who somehow knew everything that was going on and could explain it in trailer soundbytes.) I've seen a ton of Sci-Fi Channel original disaster movies with more interesting characters than this schlock. Basically, it's horrible at that too. Oh and I'm not exaggerating: damn near everything Ken Watanabe says is in these super serious 1-2 line chunks designed for marketing and not character development. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
Blade Runner [1982] + Show Spoiler + ] ![]() Despite being a sci fi fan, and having read Dick's work, I never actually gave blade runner a run through. Watched it a few nights ago and glad I did. Was interesting. The world is pretty wonderfully realized and you get a pretty intense sense of place, even after all these years. The pacing was a bit unusual for an 80's movie, but the 'antagonist' was great and it was easy to watch. Here's hoping rumors of a sequel die a quick, painless death. Star Wars Epsiode 1 [1999] + Show Spoiler + ![]() Y'know, I haven't seen this movie since it was released. I was 12. Even when I was 12, I knew it wasn't very good. So having found a high definition / remastered version and enough marijuana to sedate a small yak, my friend and I set out to watch it all the way through. I'm not going to rip this movie apart, because its had 15 years of that already. To be honest, I actually enjoyed most of it up until the midway mark. The opening is set, quite pointlessly and heavy-handedly, somewhere involving something-something trade-disputes. Stuff starts blowing up, things get a bit spicy, and we learn that robots are evil and these weird Asian-sounding aliens are up to no good. ![]() "They've gone up the ventilation shaft!" The pacing is actually pretty good. Liam Neeson is kind of a boss, when he's not busy explaining medichlorians for no apparent reason. The acting is stiff and dialog is awful, blah blah, the usual -- but y'know, it was the same with the original 3. Lets not forget that. ![]() Unfortunately, this movie does not have a Harrison Ford to man up and save the middle of this thing. And that's really where this falls apart. Precisely when we are subjected to 45 minutes of anakin and pod racing. But then things get better when theres more battling and stuff and some jar jar antics (he's like chewbacca but not as interesting or funny and he sounds kind of rastafarian for some reason). And, in this movie's defense, it has some iconic star wars, as in, wars in the stars. ![]() Wooohooooo!!! Yeeee-hawww! Got'em! This kind of thing, its campy but fun. It sucks that this time around it involves a really obnoxious child-actor, but the elements were there. That kind of serves to highlight my thoughts on this movie in general -- it had the recipe and formula down. It had the pacing, it had the scenes, it wasn't going to be amazing by any means, but it could have been a 'return of the jedi'. But it all kind of falls apart on the shoulders of a kid who should be worried about kid things, not saving a franchise. | ||
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