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On June 05 2013 17:01 ssxsilver wrote:
Speaking strictly off the show knowledge, you guys do remember that both Loras and Jamie got their asses kicked by Brienne right?
Yeah but as has been said, Loras is known to be more of our jouster than a sword fighter... And Jamie was a prisoner for months without any proper physical exercise or conditioning, and would have been utterly malnourished etc... As well as having his hands tied together. So I think it's fairly hard to take Jamie vs Brienne fight as any real indication that she was on Jamie's level.
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On June 05 2013 17:00 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 16:30 sc4k wrote:Now the Starks are insignificant or at least for the time being, the only sensible person to root for is Khaleesi  . Seeing as she has the most dignity and has righteousness on her side. As a Jorah Mormont fan I hope she doesn't fall for the charms of that creep Daario  That would drop her a lot on a my favorite characters ranking.
Why? A little gratuitous sex with Danaerys never hurt anyone. Hoping for wish fulfillment is asking to get pwn'd by Martin.
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On June 05 2013 16:30 sc4k wrote:Now the Starks are insignificant or at least for the time being, the only sensible person to root for is Khaleesi .
It is known.
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On June 05 2013 16:54 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote:On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote:
Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was.
Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Where can I get me some computer opponents to become super gosu?
got to play against those godly micro bots lol
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 17:22 Savant wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:00 Zandar wrote:On June 05 2013 16:30 sc4k wrote:Now the Starks are insignificant or at least for the time being, the only sensible person to root for is Khaleesi . Seeing as she has the most dignity and has righteousness on her side. As a Jorah Mormont fan I hope she doesn't fall for the charms of that creep Daario That would drop her a lot on a my favorite characters ranking. Why? A little gratuitous sex with Danaerys never hurt anyone. Hoping for wish fulfillment is asking to get pwn'd by Martin.
How about a gangbang with her generals? Not a fan of daario either, hes just... too much.
With the death of Robb, I hope stannis doesnt turn in some religious cook. By the way, can someone remind me why Robb and Stannis never allied? (or did they, and did my memory just fail me hard right now?)
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This is just a thought - something to look out for:
In the previous episode to "The Rains of Castamere":
_Melisandre takes blood from Robert Baratheon's bastard son to cast a "spell" I guess you can call it, as a demo or as proof of her power, that the blood and life of this young kid can give him the kingdom. She uses leeches to take the blood, three of them, and with each leech Stanis throws into the fire, he names a name, preceded with the word "usurper."
The names were those three which were the greatest threat to Stanis, the biggest hurdles on his way to the throne. These were Rob Stark, Geoffry Barathron, and Balon Greyjoy.
_In the latest episode - I am thinking we got to see the power of this spell at work, and in the coming episode we can look forward to seeing how the rest of that will work out. We saw Bolton give Jaime back to the Lanisters as long as it was agreed that he had nothing to do with Jaime's maiming. It is a sort of foreshadowing technique that I think us in play with the Tyrell's at King's Landing. They do have some plot or plans within plans as how to take over the kingdom. Of course Margaery Tyrell has no intention of being Geoffrey's Queen for the rest of her life. The fact that Olenna Redwyne from House Tyrell was so curious about Geoffrey as to get Sansa Stark out in private to seek out information about him is particularly suspicious. Then there were the plans for Little Finger to marry Sansa himself by taking her away with him on a ship. That later part was most likely a red herring or a diversion for both the viewer and the Lanisters. If they believe they know what the Tyrell's and their allies are up to, and believe they have thwarted their plans, it gives them a false sense of security. Then - at the right moment, the plans within plans can unravel, and on top of it all will be Little Finger and the Tyrell's. Theon's mystery torturer I think will also be revealed as his father is implicated in the aforementioned "spell" and his freedom might have something to do with his father's death. I only mention his freedom because I don't see the sense of protracting the phase of his torture if he did not have some larger role in the future. I could be wrong, he could just be a piece in a play to get at Balon Greyjoy.
_All just things to keep in mind as the finale comes shortly. At the same time however, I think that only 2/3 of the people in the spell will actually die. I think that Geoffrey will lose his crown, but I think that he will escape alive, bringing at least some doubts to the power of Melisandre.
Thoughts on this or does anybody see something off with this analysis?
Thanks for you thoughts before hand.
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Am I the only one who is cheering for Lannisters ? Jamie + Danaerys :3
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On June 05 2013 17:22 Savant wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:00 Zandar wrote:On June 05 2013 16:30 sc4k wrote:Now the Starks are insignificant or at least for the time being, the only sensible person to root for is Khaleesi . Seeing as she has the most dignity and has righteousness on her side. As a Jorah Mormont fan I hope she doesn't fall for the charms of that creep Daario That would drop her a lot on a my favorite characters ranking. Why? A little gratuitous sex with Danaerys never hurt anyone. Hoping for wish fulfillment is asking to get pwn'd by Martin.
Prediction / Hope:
Gratitious sex with Daario, he tries to kill her, the dragons burn away his smiling face. Violence is nice, sex is nice, and combined the scene will be a splatterfeast of sex and violence. Or Violins. Who am i to know.
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I hope in season 7 Gendry marries Daenarys and claim the throne with a double claim.
And Arya marries her half brother Jon Snow and become lords of winterfel again.
That's what I hope.
Of course, that's not gonna happen at all, way too Disney 
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Crazy episode. I couldn't help but notice that some of the scenes seemed "unnatural" though.
For example, Jorah's actor looked like he was finished with the scene a bit early. It's minor, but still really noticeable. Another iffy scene was the one between Arya and The Hound that ends with Sandor looking flabbergasted after Arya smacks the salt pork guy with a stick. It was comedic, but something about Sandor's expression and turn felt off to me. Also, the way Robb's wolf stood up after Rains of Castamere started playing looked really fake to me, but that's probably a bit too nit picky. Still a great episode and everything else that happened outweigh these inconsistencies anyway.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 17:39 Qwertify wrote:
This is just a thought - something to look out for:
In the previous episode to "The Rains of Castamere"
The red witch lady takes blood from Robert Baratheon's bastard son to cast a "spell" I guess you can call it, as a demo or as proof of her power, that the blood and life of this young kid can give him the kingdom. She uses leeches to take the blood, three of them, and with each leech Stanis throws into the fire, he names a name, preceded with the word "usurper."
The names were those three which were the greatest threat to Stanis, the biggest hurdles on his way to the throne. These were Rob Stark, Geoffry Barathron, and Balon Greyjoy.
In the latest episode - I am thinking we got to see the power of this spell at work, and in the coming episode we can look forward to seeing how the rest of that will work out. We saw Bolton give Jaime back to the Lanisters as long as it was agreed that he had nothing to do with Jaime's maiming. It is a sort of foreshadowing technique that I think us in play with the Tyrell's at King's Landing. They do have some plot or plans within plans as how to take over the kingdom. Of course Margaery Tyrell has no intention of being Geoffrey's Queen for the rest of her life. The fact that Olenna Redwyne from House Tyrell was so curious about Geoffrey as to get Sansa Stark out in private to seek out information about him is particularly suspicious. Then there were the plans for Little Finger to marry Sansa himself by taking her away with him on a ship. That later part was most likely a red herring or a diversion for both the viewer and the Lanisters. If they believe they know what the Tyrell's and their allies are up to, and believe they have thwarted their plans, it gives them a false sense of security. Then - at the right moment, the plans within plans can unravel, and on top of it all will be Little Finger and the Tyrell's. Theon's mystery torturer I think will also be revealed as his father is implicated in the aforementioned "spell" and his freedom might have something to do with his father's death. I only mention his freedom because I don't see the sense of protracting the phase of his torture if he did not have some larger role in the future. I could be wrong, he could just be a piece in a play to get at Balon Greyjoy.
All just things to keep in mind as the finale comes shortly. At the same time however, I think that only 2/3 of the people in the spell will actually die. I think that Geoffrey will lose his crown, but I think that he will escape alive, bringing at least some doubts to the power of the red lady witch.
Thoughts on this or does anybody see something off with this analysis?
Thanks for you thoughts before hand.
Couple things:
1. It's Joffrey. Not Geoffrey.
2. The three leeches represented the "false kings" not the biggest threats. According to Stannis, Joffrey is a false king (not Robert's true son), Robb's claim is treasonous and Balon has claimed he is king of the Iron Islands, which Stannis also would dispute. So Melisandre is throwing three leeches on the fire, representing the three false kings.
3. Formatting man! Your post is a mess. Use indents.
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On June 05 2013 18:09 Chrispy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 17:39 Qwertify wrote:
This is just a thought - something to look out for:
In the previous episode to "The Rains of Castamere"
The red witch lady takes blood from Robert Baratheon's bastard son to cast a "spell" I guess you can call it, as a demo or as proof of her power, that the blood and life of this young kid can give him the kingdom. She uses leeches to take the blood, three of them, and with each leech Stanis throws into the fire, he names a name, preceded with the word "usurper."
The names were those three which were the greatest threat to Stanis, the biggest hurdles on his way to the throne. These were Rob Stark, Geoffry Barathron, and Balon Greyjoy.
In the latest episode - I am thinking we got to see the power of this spell at work, and in the coming episode we can look forward to seeing how the rest of that will work out. We saw Bolton give Jaime back to the Lanisters as long as it was agreed that he had nothing to do with Jaime's maiming. It is a sort of foreshadowing technique that I think us in play with the Tyrell's at King's Landing. They do have some plot or plans within plans as how to take over the kingdom. Of course Margaery Tyrell has no intention of being Geoffrey's Queen for the rest of her life. The fact that Olenna Redwyne from House Tyrell was so curious about Geoffrey as to get Sansa Stark out in private to seek out information about him is particularly suspicious. Then there were the plans for Little Finger to marry Sansa himself by taking her away with him on a ship. That later part was most likely a red herring or a diversion for both the viewer and the Lanisters. If they believe they know what the Tyrell's and their allies are up to, and believe they have thwarted their plans, it gives them a false sense of security. Then - at the right moment, the plans within plans can unravel, and on top of it all will be Little Finger and the Tyrell's. Theon's mystery torturer I think will also be revealed as his father is implicated in the aforementioned "spell" and his freedom might have something to do with his father's death. I only mention his freedom because I don't see the sense of protracting the phase of his torture if he did not have some larger role in the future. I could be wrong, he could just be a piece in a play to get at Balon Greyjoy.
All just things to keep in mind as the finale comes shortly. At the same time however, I think that only 2/3 of the people in the spell will actually die. I think that Geoffrey will lose his crown, but I think that he will escape alive, bringing at least some doubts to the power of the red lady witch.
Thoughts on this or does anybody see something off with this analysis?
Thanks for you thoughts before hand. Couple things: 1. It's Joffrey. Not Geoffrey. 2. The three leeches represented the "false kings" not the biggest threats. According to Stannis, Joffrey is a false king (not Robert's true son), Robb's claim is treasonous and Balon has claimed he is king of the Iron Islands, which Stannis also would dispute. So Melisandre is throwing three leeches on the fire, representing the three false kings. 3. Formatting man! Your post is a mess. Use indents.
Also, Robb's death had nothing to do with the magic of the Red God. It was already being planned when she cast the spell, was it not?
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Well Melisandre would definitely say otherwise.
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On June 05 2013 18:14 Chrispy wrote:
Well Melisandre would definitely say otherwise.
Also, since we are talking about Gods it seems silly to suggest it can't be the workings of a God because the timeline doesn't work out exactly. I doubt something as powerful as an actual God would care about time and space much. Easiest way to argue is that her Fire God set plans in motion but demanded from Melisandre a sacrifice or ritual to go through it.
That is all saying the whole God thing is even real and she isn't just some crazy woman who possesses some supernatural powers and attributes them to a God.
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Chrispy and Celerity thanks for reading it over. I understand it a bit better now.
While it is true that there is no direct link between the Red God, the leeches, and Rob's Death, I am proposing that there is an indirect link. As in, the Red God knew the blood would be sacrificed, knew whose names were to be spoken, and consequently, is able to "plan ahead." In the same way then, the Red God has planned ahead for the death of Joffrey and Balon.
It might sound unreasonable, and it is just something to keep in mind. I know that in Season 2, three names were also spoken to the Red God, and those three also perished.
As for Theon, I am thinking that he is not in the hands of Lord Bolton anymore. I really think that he is in the hands of his father, and they are just trying to man him up. At the same time - makes no sense that they should remove his ability to provide progeny to the kingdom. Anyways - really curious to know what is going on with Theon. I doubt he is sill in Bolton's control, and will die at the hands of his torturer for no reason, if at all.
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On June 05 2013 17:35 []Phase[] wrote:
With the death of Robb, I hope stannis doesnt turn in some religious cook. By the way, can someone remind me why Robb and Stannis never allied? (or did they, and did my memory just fail me hard right now?)
Because Robb took / intended to take a part of the realm (North) for himself, and Stannis isn't the kind of person to make compromises.
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On June 05 2013 16:54 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote:On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote:
Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was.
Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Where can I get me some computer opponents to become super gosu?
If I remember well Blackman was writing his own AI scripts for BW to practice against. Would be awesome if he won the entire tournament but he hit Boxer in the semis and Boxer's TvZ is the stuff of legend.
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On June 05 2013 18:32 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 18:14 Chrispy wrote:
Well Melisandre would definitely say otherwise. Also, since we are talking about Gods it seems silly to suggest it can't be the workings of a God because the timeline doesn't work out exactly. I doubt something as powerful as an actual God would care about time and space much. Easiest way to argue is that her Fire God set plans in motion but demanded from Melisandre a sacrifice or ritual to go through it. That is all saying the whole God thing is even real and she isn't just some crazy woman who possesses some supernatural powers and attributes them to a God.
Hm, don't know. I think the Gods can't change time and space as they see fit. If they are even real. This would be too powerful I guess. Why not sacrifice one more leech to kill the first White Walker who ever was, gg?
The priest from the brotherhood can 'heal' really, really good thanks to the blessings of his god, but he can't resurrect people who are definitely dead. Didn't he say something like "That's not how it works" when Arya asked about Ned?
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On June 05 2013 19:00 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:35 []Phase[] wrote:
With the death of Robb, I hope stannis doesnt turn in some religious cook. By the way, can someone remind me why Robb and Stannis never allied? (or did they, and did my memory just fail me hard right now?) Because Robb took / intended to take a part of the realm (North) for himself, and Stannis isn't the kind of person to make compromises.
ok, thanks for clearing that up for me
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On June 05 2013 20:18 zimms wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 18:32 zatic wrote:On June 05 2013 18:14 Chrispy wrote:
Well Melisandre would definitely say otherwise. Also, since we are talking about Gods it seems silly to suggest it can't be the workings of a God because the timeline doesn't work out exactly. I doubt something as powerful as an actual God would care about time and space much. Easiest way to argue is that her Fire God set plans in motion but demanded from Melisandre a sacrifice or ritual to go through it. That is all saying the whole God thing is even real and she isn't just some crazy woman who possesses some supernatural powers and attributes them to a God. Hm, don't know. I think the Gods can't change time and space as they see fit. If they are even real. This would be too powerful I guess. Why not sacrifice one more leech to kill the first White Walker who ever was, gg? The priest from the brotherhood can 'heal' really, really good thanks to the blessings of his god, but he can't resurrect people who are definitely dead. Didn't he say something like "That's not how it works" when Arya asked about Ned?
When they tell the story of Berics past resurrections it is not a stretch to say he can bring back the dead. Beric was caught by the Lannisters, got a dagger through the eye, and was then hanged. It think it is safe to say that killed him. Thoros couldn't have been there or he would have been caught too, so he must have found (dead) Beric later and brought him back to life.
The line with Ned was more that that was months ago and that there is probably not much to resurrect left but rotten bones.
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